I never made claims about the conditions or what they go through.
My entire argument has been we expect more crime in highly dense cities and we expect more convictions in highly dense areas.
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My entire argument has been we expect more crime in highly dense cities and we expect more convictions in highly dense areas.
Tank
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What he said was it was easier to get to another officer in trouble, nothing about it being easier to police.
Tank
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Yeah, no. What you said was it was easier to police a city because it was densely populated. No matter, this isn't going anywhere so I'll just drop it.
I'm clarifying what I mean.
Plus, if I have 100,000 people in two cities, but population of B is spread out over an area 10 times larger... see where this is going?
cobrajet
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Maybe this may help put some light on it. A common dress in the summer months is a white t-shirt and those long blue jean shorts, a robbery happens and the description is white t-shirt and blue pants and there is 50 males in the densely populated city wearing that. Would it be easier or harder to catch that robber than in the less densely populated county?
Also think about this, Baltimore County has ten precincts and Baltimore City has nine districts so they are pretty close. Let's say one precinct and one district both have 18 officers on a shift (including supervisors) on a Saturday night in July. The more violent crime city district is dealing with a homicide (a sector is down 5 officers and a supervisor), a double shooting (another sector is down 5 officers and a supervisor), rape (one officer at crime scene, one at hospital), a commercial robbery (an officer and supervisor), domestic assault with arrest (officer out of service), traffic accident and driver has revoked license and narcotics in car (officer out of service). The entire district is out of service with 40 calls pending. However, in the adjacent lesser crime precinct of the county, they have two officers out on burglaries, two out on thefts, one out on a vandalism call, two officers out on traffic accidents, one out on an assault call, and one out on a arrest. Two calls are pending and nine officers are available. Are things easier in the higher violent crime densely populated city or the lesser violent less densely populated county?
I never said your job was easy and I would never act like it is, but we can't pretend that ghettos and the such weren't created largely in part to police those areas more heavily.
cobrajet
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Throughout history yes, but if you are talking about low income housing, then certainly not in Baltimore. I can't speak for other cities, but public housing projects in Baltimore where so spread out throughout the city, you can not make that argument.
But my argument isn't localized just to Baltimore. It's the entirety of cities across America.
cobrajet
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Then I have to admit, I only know Baltimore, so you may be absolutely right.
The Raven
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Thoughts and prayers weren't enough after Sandy Hook, and they aren't enough now. When the hell are we going to see gun control? This is the only advanced nation where this happens. Why do we have this neanderthal-esque obsession with guns? It's costing us over 10,000 lives a year.
Why do we let this happen? Is your right to own a gun worth all this?
Why do we let this happen? Is your right to own a gun worth all this?
cobrajet
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I agree this incident in Vegas is very upsetting, but I don't know how you would stop it. When someone with no criminal record or documented history of mental illness snaps, I don't know how you can prevent something like that without taking a lot of our current freedom's away. Maybe there was some warning signs with this guy, there is usually warning signs, but people often say "I never thought he would do anything like this." I wish I had an answer in cases like Vegas. We will probably learn more in a few days or weeks. Hopefully something can be done in the future.
Rusfan
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Oldfaithful
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I'm pro gun but..
http://tribunist.com/news/images-le...guns-none-are-fully-automatic/?utm_source=ITA
The guns that have been recovered thus far have proven to be legally bought, but modified as well. However, not modified in a legal manner. He passed background checks and whatnot. So @cobrajet is right. He likely snapped. But we need to wait days, maybe weeks to learn the whole truth about the subject matter.
As pro gun as I am, the shooter(I will not make this fucker more famous by spewing his name) took a tactical position on higher ground where he couldn't have been fired at, and couldn't have been easy to find(it took SWAT an hour... just saying). And as much as I am playing devils advocate here... This easily could have been an instance where he took higher ground with a fully automatic weapon that he had purchased illegally(Although Nevada has some lax gun laws, acquiring a fully automatic weapon is super difficult and expensive through legal means).
But it wasn't. The only thing that is likely to change from all of this is that Nevada's gun laws are going to be more tightly controlled. Nevada has arguably some of the laxest gun laws on the planet. You don't need a permit to buy or posses one. Sure, the shooter did go through background checks, but in a state with gun laws this lax, how thorough could they have been.
And to the people going abolish the second. THAT SOLUTION IS NOT POSSIBLE. Too many guns are in in this country, particuarly in the south, and midwest.
I've always been of the notion that guns need to be regulated, certain people should not own them, but still accessible to people who want to responsibly own one. Again, think of cars. If I was a psychopath I could drive to downtown Denver in my Roommate's chevy Tahoe, go 90 mph, and kill 50+ people in the span of a few minutes. Cars are dangerous. People need licences to drive them for a reason. Guns should be no different. Background checks for any kind of gun should be incredibly thorough. You should have to take multiple tests and weeks of proper firearms training. Pay more legal fees and whatnot. I come from a family where half of us are gun owners. They, and their friends would be more than willing to abide to a system like this. I'm not even of the notion that you should ban semi-automatics. Just again, make it like driving. You need a special kind of license to drive to drive a Mack truck. Make them go through another series of background checks and training. Make the tests they have to take really difficult. I agree that fully automatic weapons, suppressors, and stuff should be illegal. Law abiding citizens do this to get a drivers license, why not a gun? Make firearms education legal for everyone who wants to purchase a gun(it isn't in some states). Want a concealed carry permit? Take classes. Want an assault rifle? Go through extensive training and multiple background checks along with a psychiatric evaluation.
Sure, my solution has some flaws(black market activity to acquire guns would go up, as would gun prices), but it would be a hell of a lot better than what we have going on now.
Problem is, the extreme conservative dumbasses in Congress(tea party members) are willing to budge and realize that while guns themselves are not the main problem(killers will find a way to kill people). The extreme liberal members are no better as they don't understand that the abolishment of the second amendment in this country straight up isn't possible.
So is anything likely to happen? Nope. Both sides are too busy in a never ending dick measuring contest to do anything to fix the problems.
Again. This is another instance where the most logical solution is in the middle. Given the history of guns in this country(since the 18th century), abolishing guns at all costs is not a possible solution. Making them illegal wouldn't work either as a black market would be created. But letting people just run free in certain states and do whatever the fuck they want? Yeah, not working for me.
Oldfaithful
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But enough of the fucking politics for a minute.
GET OFF YOUR FUCKING ASSES AND DONATE(if you can). The violence is over, but some of the chaos is still ongoing. I encourage all members here. Please go donate to help these people. Whether it be blood, money, anything you can do to help, the better.
GET OFF YOUR FUCKING ASSES AND DONATE(if you can). The violence is over, but some of the chaos is still ongoing. I encourage all members here. Please go donate to help these people. Whether it be blood, money, anything you can do to help, the better.
cobrajet
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Just to piggyback off of LIT, please send up prayers for everyone involved in this incident. The spouses, families, and friends of the victims, those recovering from injury, the police, the medics, the investigators. I really believe prayers help. Many of these people saw some things they never thought they would in their lifetime and need comfort. Maybe just maybe, something positive can come from this horrible tragedy.
Willbacker
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Prayers and thoughts to those who lost their lives and to the families. I cant fathom what it would be like to lose such a loved one to a senseless murderous act.
And for the people calling for gun control (especially Hollywood who have armed bodyguards aka hypocrites) laws are only followed by law abiders not criminals. This guy was a millionaire. He was gonna get his artillery even with your laws in place. Drugs are illegal. How's that working? Criminals making nice coin and man would they have the upper hand against the defenseless citizen.
And for the people calling for gun control (especially Hollywood who have armed bodyguards aka hypocrites) laws are only followed by law abiders not criminals. This guy was a millionaire. He was gonna get his artillery even with your laws in place. Drugs are illegal. How's that working? Criminals making nice coin and man would they have the upper hand against the defenseless citizen.
The Raven
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It is indisputable that gun control has worked, in conjunction with other things, in most other advanced nations. To deny that is to simply deny reality.
Australia enacted strict gun control in the 1990s and hasn't had a mass shooting since. The homicide rate has also declined.
The UK enacted gun control laws in the early 2000s and has seen a decline in gun violence.
Japan has had a zero tolerance law since 1958 and has one of the lowest gun violence rates in the world.
There is a statistical correlation between gun ownership and gun violence.
If you can't see this, get some help.
And, if gun control isn't the answer, what the hell is?
Australia enacted strict gun control in the 1990s and hasn't had a mass shooting since. The homicide rate has also declined.
The UK enacted gun control laws in the early 2000s and has seen a decline in gun violence.
Japan has had a zero tolerance law since 1958 and has one of the lowest gun violence rates in the world.
There is a statistical correlation between gun ownership and gun violence.
If you can't see this, get some help.
And, if gun control isn't the answer, what the hell is?
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