i cant stand the notion that he's 'an average joe' because he's like no one ive ever met nor would ever want to meet - whatever you think about his politics (and i cant stand his politics) he's just a cruel, inhumane person
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i cant stand the notion that he's 'an average joe' because he's like no one ive ever met nor would ever want to meet - whatever you think about his politics (and i cant stand his politics) he's just a cruel, inhumane person
And that is being nice
Inqui
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Just to play devil's advocate, he also said something to the effect of "and because you're famous they let you do it". Though the use of the passive voice implies it's more of a Weinstein kinda thing where he's in a position of power and he knows what he can get away with. Which is still creepy as hell.
The whole thing dovetails into the other politicians on both sides of the aisle exploiting their power dynamics (and there really needs to be a house cleaning over the next few years - that responsibility falls to the voters in every electorate) and the same thing being pretty rife in the entertainment industry (it doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum is worse on that regard - it's all caused by said dynamic where creeps in power are used to getting what they want and people in lower positions on the chain being conditioned to the idea that they have to deal with it). And even though those two particular industries are petri dishes for that kind of behaviour (and I know the top-end private schools in the UK have been under fire for similar reasons), the "me too" movement shows that it's pretty commonplace everywhere. As men, just shut up and listen to the experiences of the women in your lives (those who choose to share them - a great many more choose not to) and be aware that it's kind of a man's world and that a lot of women end up feeling violated nearly every day - and that's it's tough enough to call someone out on their scumbaggery without the knee-jerk response that they need to get over it or that it's being done for attention or money or whatever. Just be aware of other people's space and don't be a bad human. You wouldn't think it was a difficult concept but here we are. Anyway, rant over.
- yeah he says 'im automatically attracted to beautiful - just start kissing them - just kiss, i dont even wait' - that doesnt sound like consent at all
- he does say 'when you're a star they let you do it. you can do anything' but again that's not implying consent at all - not saying no does not mean yes
- 'grab them by the pussy. you can do anything' - at best he's implying its ok to sexualise and harass women and perpetuating rape culture, at worst he's telling us all how he sexually assaults women who he has power over
i think its even broader than that - the world is only now moving out from under the veil of religious-based patriarchy - its why priests were able to abuse young children for decades without issue, it's why hollywood (and powerful men at the top of the arts industry in general) were able to sexually abuse women and men for decades without issue (what's sad, and it was confirmed today, is that a couple of years ago i and people around me had heard rumours about kevin spacey when he ran the old vic theatre in london essentially soliciting oral sex from young male actors who hoped to get cast but we were young and hadnt come across these situations and they were only rumours - but it demonstrates that this culture pervaded even young people who didnt work in the industry... yet), obviously you have the political issues (and its happening in the UK and the US simultaneously - which is why the fact that trump seems untouched by these allegations is even more frustrating), but there's also the issue with sports and especially the way sexual allegations are dealt with in US colleges and their sports scholars/stars etc.
it's horrifying and yet not a surprise which makes it all the more horrifying because we live in a society that allowed these heinous crimes to happen and be hidden
exactly - id even go one step further - if as men you truly want to help then you have to be proactive in helping those women (or men) around you who have or feel abused in some way and be alert and aware of the patriarchal rape culture that women have been telling men exists for decades but only now is it really being aired in mainstream media - hopefully what's happening now is the beginning of the end of "rape culture" but its been so pervasive for so long that it will be a long and difficult journey to get there - it's also demeaning and undermining that while all this is going on, the most powerful man in the world (sexual deviant or not - although it doesnt seem like theres much question there tbh) is someone who perpetuates attitudes that solidify and legitimise rape culture more and more which is what his public demeaning of women's looks and the grab them by the pussy tape show (among many other issues)
Willbacker
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Ivana says all those stories have no merit. All other stories seem debunked by other witnesses. See you're charging him guilty w/o an iota of fact or just allegations
Again here you're coming up with a bunch of crap cuz you so blind to anything else. I already blew your one post completely out of the water. See against the Dems there's actual proof and you cant stand it.
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Yeah he said that but he was talking about willing females. Lets just say talk is not as bad as action.
what actual proof is there against these "dems" that is any more substantial than that against trump - trump literally has at least 1 lawsuit ongoing against him about inappropriate behaviour towards a woman...
don't be so naive as to think that the "gag order" that legally stops ivana from talking about their marriage doesnt have anything to do with her no longer pursuing the rape charge against him
i have not seen any meaningful debunking of these stories by other witnesses - some of the cases historically have had witnesses corroborating against trump and one of the recent ones was only dropped 4 days before the election because of the numerous threats by trump and his supporters to that girl and her family...
i think its telling that trump's lawyer's defence against the ivana trump rape allegations when they resurfaced was "by the very definition, you can't rape your spouse" - which hasnt been legally true since 1984 (as far as im aware) and either way is morally bankrupt
trumps only response when these allegations are brought up is to cry "fake news" and never actually bring any evidence to the contrary - which is something his accusers do bring to the table when they accuse him
i think what's dangerous here is that you arent willing to believe these multiple women over 1 man and assume they are lying - and im sorry to say but that attitude is part of the reason why "rape culture" persists - because so many people doubt and dont take seriously the claims of sexual abuse by women - at most 10% of rape claims are false - and this does not take into account the numerous women who do not report their rape/sexual assault through fear of being doubted by people like you...
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Willbacker
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Please explain how he is an embarrassment. Other countries are not pushing us around no more. Noko is not firing missiles lately. Stock market is up 20% and the last 2 qtrs. we've had 3.0% GDP growth ( not once did this happen under Obama ) I can send you a serious list of his accomplishments. Please sir tell me how he is an embarrassment.
Willbacker
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Idk know photos, video, recordings. What else do you need?
Yes right now he has one lawsuit. Let it play out.
don't be so naive as to think that the "gag order" that legally stops ivana from talking about their marriage doesnt have anything to do with her no longer pursuing the rape charge against him
i have not seen any meaningful debunking of these stories by other witnesses - some of the cases historically have had witnesses corroborating against trump and one of the recent ones was only dropped 4 days before the election because of the numerous threats by trump and his supporters to that girl and her family...
i think its telling that trump's lawyer's defence against the ivana trump rape allegations when they resurfaced was "by the very definition, you can't rape your spouse" - which hasnt been legally true since 1984 (as far as im aware) and either way is morally bankrupt
trumps only response when these allegations are brought up is to cry "fake news" and never actually bring any evidence to the contrary - which is something his accusers do bring to the table when they accuse him
i think what's dangerous here is that you arent willing to believe these multiple women over 1 man and assume they are lying - and im sorry to say but that attitude is part of the reason why "rape culture" persists - because so many people doubt and dont take seriously the claims of sexual abuse by women - at most 10% of rape claims are false - and this does not take into account the numerous women who do not report their rape/sexual assault through fear of being doubted by people like you...
and what do you say about all the republican and governmental defences of roy moore?
trump and bannon have both defended him just today... despite more and more women coming forward to add their voices and stories to the allegations
trump and bannon have both defended him just today... despite more and more women coming forward to add their voices and stories to the allegations
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Again debunking your story. Politico
https://www.politico.com/story/2015...accusing-donald-trump-rape-daily-beast-120721
not pushing him around?
china easily manipulated him
russia literally controls him
the british public stopped him from officially visiting the queen (that's never happened before)
australian pm publicly fought with him
mexican pm hates him
north korean conflict is escalating to an unprecedented level of animosity
yes the stock markets are up but notice that those markets have nothing to do with any measures trump has made while president - most of the resurgence is down to the markets continuing to recover (in all countries) from the global recession and recovering from the overestimation of economic turmoil during the election year etc. by the markets beforehand - so naturally the markets are recovering - the earnings per share are also high but they are still not as high as they were in 2011 (i wonder who the president was then...) - maybe trump's fiscal policies would improve the markets - but none of them have actually been implemented yet (those tax cuts he promised still havent happened...)
- the biggest factor is the market feels that there is stability because one party runs all of the governmental and is not biting off its own hand in a financial sense - i think you'd have to admit that the republicans blocking everything obama tried to do would be detrimental to the market... if not through bad policy then at least through sheer instability...
id also like to point out that the stock markets and GDP are not a great indicator of living conditions
nothing in that article disputes what i said - her story changed after her gag order and has not changed since - the pattern of behaviour by the lawyer also suggests that there's credence to the story otherwise he wouldnt be so angry about it given that it was in the public domain anyway - and the you cant rape your spouse line is not factually correct so trump needs a better lawyer... marital rape is illegal in all 50 states and has been in all 50 states since at least 1993
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First off WaPo sought these women out. Why?? Why come out after the primaries and the ballots have been printed and cant be changed. The witness with the yearbook had a divorce case tried in front of him but yet she said s never seen him after the incident. Whoa what!! Its very fishy timing. And remember McConnell and the Republican establishment were very upset after they spent a shitload trying to get their boy Luther Strange as the Repub candidate.
Hey he might be guilty as hell. Idk but again here you are judging somebody just by allegations.
and there you are perpetuating rape culture again...
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Explain how Russia and China control Trump cuz I see it completely different. The Austrailian PM and him just had a great meeting. Mexico is obvious come on and wh cares about meeting the queen if that actually happened.
Obama has not been able to do with businesses and the stock market like Trump has. That's just laughable.
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No I'm not. Not at al. Have women never lied before?
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You are talking about what The Daily Beast said. That's like me quoting Breitbart. Give me a break.
no he wasnt able to do anything because he was handicapped by a republican senate that refused to work with him at all
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And rightfully so. He also refused to work with the Senate showing you his arrogance. He was the most unconstitutional president ever.
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