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The Raven said:
Really? Low income families have been negatively affected by Democrats? That's a misguided conclusion at best.

It isn't the Democrats who want to defund social security, medicare, medicaid, healthcare, and public education. It isn't the Democrats who oppose affordable housing and housing discrimination. It wasn't the Democrats who wanted to repeal net neutrality and allow ISPs to form monopolies and create fast lanes for the rich to hog bandwidth. It isn't the Democrats who support the Citizens United decision that says money is speech, allowing for corporations to own politicians.

Okay. So you want a third party. What does it stand for? Where does it stand on the issues that truly differentiates it from Democrats and Republicans? Frankly, I'm not sure such an ideology exists. I'm also not sold that Americans are smart enough to pick between more than two parties. Case and point: we DO have third parties, and they routinely get less than two percent of the vote. Why? Because our third parties are only watered down or extreme versions of the main two. Because there really isn't a third way. Both parties agree on the problems. We disagree on the solutions. One side says the private sector should be allowed to solve the problems, and the other says the private sector can't even be trusted to pay its people a living wage so government should solve problems.

Seriously. Tell me the platform of your proposed third party. I've heard dozens of people tell me we need a third party, but nobody has told me what it would stand for and how it would be different from what we have.
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To put it simply, the war on drugs the Republicans started that was later enforced by the Demorcrats (Clintons, reference 1994 Bill) put alot of people who look like me into prisons for drug possession. The amount of money we have spent into funding programs to combat drug use has had a direct effect on low income communities that are MORE likely to use drugs given the circumstances. Since the 60s, children growing up in 2 parent homes has declined.

The amount of kids growing up in a single household by a mother has nearly tripled since the 60s. Need proof? Look at the stories of most of these NFL players and where they come from....

Mandatory sentencing and has actually hurt our communities more than ANYTHING else and has been one of the contributing factors to the divide of the family, to be more specific the Black and Hispanics (this isn't a race but for some odd reason its considered as such, that is a different convo all together).
 
gtalk12 said:
To put it simply, the war on drugs the Republicans started that was later enforced by the Demorcrats (Clintons, reference 1994 Bill) put alot of people who look like me into prisons for drug possession. The amount of money we have spent into funding programs to combat drug use has had a direct effect on low income communities that are MORE likely to use drugs given the circumstances. Since the 60s, children growing up in 2 parent homes has declined.

The amount of kids growing up in a single household by a mother has nearly tripled since the 60s. Need proof? Look at the stories of most of these NFL players and where they come from....

Mandatory sentencing and has actually hurt our communities more than ANYTHING else and has been one of the contributing factors to the divide of the family, to be more specific the Black and Hispanics (this isn't a race but for some odd reason its considered as such, that is a different convo all together).
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the war on drugs (and weed especially is so steeped in racism its crazy)
these are always over dramatized but so many of this series of videos shows the seedy underbelly of a lot of inherent and subversive racism and how government has become more creative at penalizing non-white and non-"traditional" communities

here's the one on weed:

 
gtalk12 said:
To put it simply, the war on drugs the Republicans started that was later enforced by the Demorcrats (Clintons, reference 1994 Bill) put alot of people who look like me into prisons for drug possession. The amount of money we have spent into funding programs to combat drug use has had a direct effect on low income communities that are MORE likely to use drugs given the circumstances. Since the 60s, children growing up in 2 parent homes has declined.

The amount of kids growing up in a single household by a mother has nearly tripled since the 60s. Need proof? Look at the stories of most of these NFL players and where they come from....

Mandatory sentencing and has actually hurt our communities more than ANYTHING else and has been one of the contributing factors to the divide of the family, to be more specific the Black and Hispanics (this isn't a race but for some odd reason its considered as such, that is a different convo all together).
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I personally have no issue with the decriminalisation of marijuana. Other drugs on the other hand.... Rehab NEEDS to be a part of the process, and I mean actual rehab, not forced to quit cold turkey and learn no coping skills.
I don't see a lot of good in all drugs being legal. I don't have any answers beyond that though.
 
Private prisons in the south have minimum occupancy quotas that have to be met otherwise they can sue their respective states, they also heavily lobby against rehabilitation funding even for non violent offenders.
 
BloodRaven said:
Private prisons in the south have minimum occupancy quotas that have to be met otherwise they can sue their respective states, they also heavily lobby against rehabilitation funding even for non violent offenders.
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Can you back this up?
 
K-Dog said:
Can you back this up?
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The California prison union funded opposition to NORA which was a rehabilitation act for non violent offenders.

http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking08/NORAHeatsUp.html

Tank said:
The others I could believe, but not this. The 21st century war on drugs has zero to do with weed.
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From memory the percentage of drug related arrests is around 88% for weed, this is why consistently lobby against weed. They also recieve money from confiscated drug related cash and assets.
 
BloodRaven said:
The California prison union funded opposition to NORA which was a rehabilitation act for non violent offenders.

http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking08/NORAHeatsUp.html



From memory the percentage of drug related arrests is around 88% for weed, this is why consistently lobby against weed. They also recieve money from confiscated drug related cash and assets.
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As a former reporter, can confirm. 90 percent of drug arrest cases I covered involved weed. The other 10 was primarily heroin or other opioids.

Which begs the question: why not legalize harmless marijuana and reallocate those resources to a drug that's actually killing people and driving crime? I know the answer. Anyone else?
 
BloodRaven said:
Private prisons in the south have minimum occupancy quotas that have to be met otherwise they can sue their respective states, they also heavily lobby against rehabilitation funding even for non violent offenders.
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Private prisons are fucked. Talk about the market distorting incentives, I don't see how anyone benefits from turning criminals into repeat customers. Aside from the states saving a few bucks, but that's extremely short-sighted. There's talk about implementing them here, which I hope never happens.
 
The Raven said:
As a former reporter, can confirm. 90 percent of drug arrest cases I covered involved weed. The other 10 was primarily heroin or other opioids.

Which begs the question: why not legalize harmless marijuana and reallocate those resources to a drug that's actually killing people and driving crime? I know the answer. Anyone else?
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Wouldn't Big Pharma hate this?
 
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