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K-Dog said:
How is that their responsibility ?
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Because the government runs our public schools, colleges, and universities, duh. Schools and colleges are responsible for workforce development to ensure strong economic development. Are you serious? Yes, it's their responsibility.

Somerset Ravens said:
I certainly agree with you that the Democrats have been talking about free college. I am waiting to see a detailed plan that actually works. Have you seen one yet?
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Uh, yeah. Sanders had a plan. A tax on Wall Street speculation would pay for it. Hillary's plan was to fund it through closing tax loopholes on corporations and the one percent.
 
The Raven said:
Because the government runs our public schools, colleges, and universities, duh. Schools and colleges are responsible for workforce development to ensure strong economic development. Are you serious? Yes, it's their responsibility.



Uh, yeah. Sanders had a plan. A tax on Wall Street speculation would pay for it. Hillary's plan was to fund it through closing tax loopholes on corporations and the one percent.
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I don't think you understood what I was asking you. I wanted to know if you have seen the details.

For Sander's plan what are the mechanics of the tax on Wall Street speculation? How much money would it generate by year for the next twenty years? What would be the economic impact be on Wall Street?

For Clinton's plan what corporate tax loopholes would be closed? How much money would that generate by year for the next twenty years? What economic impact would this have on corporations?

What would be the cost of this program for free college? How would the cost be split between tuition and administrative cost? Would this program do anything control the cost of tuition?

Who would be eligible for free college? Would all fields of study be included? Is quality of education be factored in?

Has an independent review been done to review plan details for accuracy?


Your response is not what I consider a real plan.
 
Somerset Ravens said:
I don't think you understood what I was asking you. I wanted to know if you have seen the details.

For Sander's plan what are the mechanics of the tax on Wall Street speculation? How much money would it generate by year for the next twenty years? What would be the economic impact be on Wall Street?

For Clinton's plan what corporate tax loopholes would be closed? How much money would that generate by year for the next twenty years? What economic impact would this have on corporations?

What would be the cost of this program for free college? How would the cost be split between tuition and administrative cost? Would this program do anything control the cost of tuition?

Who would be eligible for free college? Would all fields of study be included? Is quality of education be factored in?

Has an independent review been done to review plan details for accuracy?


Your response is not what I consider a real plan.
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Details to that level probably exist but weren't made public. These estimates are made by past or present policy analysts so they are generally accurate.

And, it is more effort than the other party has ever shown.
 
The Raven said:
Details to that level probably exist but weren't made public. These estimates are made by past or present policy analysts so they are generally accurate.

And, it is more effort than the other party has ever shown.
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If details existed they would be made public to show that it was a quality plan that would work. I grant you the Republicans have not done anything about free college. Do you consider campaign rhetoric as really doing something?
 
rossihunter2 said:
literally the article itself says this 'Its first three words – “We The People” – affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens.'
tell me how the government is serving its citizens by not educating them or making them employable?
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Keep reading.
 
Somerset Ravens said:
If details existed they would be made public to show that it was a quality plan that would work. I grant you the Republicans have not done anything about free college. Do you consider campaign rhetoric as really doing something?
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What about Obama actually putting forward a plan that Republicans shot down?
 
Somerset Ravens said:
I certainly agree with you that the Democrats have been talking about free college. I am waiting to see a detailed plan that actually works. Have you seen one yet?
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There are all kinds of plans being talked about and being used, ranging from the ones @The Raven mentioned to something more user-pays, in which the government fronts the bill and then hikes the individual's tax bill once thy hit an income threshold until the loan gets paid off, while writing off interest as long as they stay in the country.

Carrot - check.
Stick - check.
Improved social mobility - check.
Not saddling an entire generation with compounding interest - check.
Person getting most of the benefits footing most of the bill over a more reasonable time frame - check.
More skilled workforce - check.

Trump's right in that there are genuine issues facing the working classes. Wages have remained low while essential costs such as rent and bills have increased. And we're in the middle of another massive industrial revolution, with automation forecast to "take" 800 million jobs worldwide by 2030. That revolution can either make life exponentially better for everyone (in the same way electricity, the internet and ICE engines have improved productivity and living standards in the 20th century) or it can exacerbate the current issues as people get left holding the bag once every single driving job gets phased out. But it's something that every government in the world desperately needs to address. And this is the broader issue I have with Trump - rolling back environmental regulations and cutting the corporate tax with an aim of bringing back coal mining jobs and car factory jobs isn't a solution. Revamping education is only part of the solution, but at least the Democrats have tried something.

To answer your question, Hillary's education plan was fairly well detailed but the numbers also stacked up according to independent estimates, with her policy actually projected to have brought in a surplus.
 
rossihunter2 said:
why not just explain it in laymans terms?
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Its not in there. It is not in the "job description " of the federal government.
Seriously, are you asking me these questions because you want to learn about how our country is *supposed * to be run or do you just want to argue or debate any conservative point of view?
 
K-Dog said:
Its not in there. It is not in the "job description " of the federal government.
Seriously, are you asking me these questions because you want to learn about how our country is *supposed * to be run or do you just want to argue or debate any conservative point of view?
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im interested i guess because it makes sense to me that the government would be responsible for those things - that's why i genuinely asked what their job actually is then if it doesnt entail facilitating education...
 
Inqui said:
There are all kinds of plans being talked about and being used, ranging from the ones @The Raven mentioned to something more user-pays, in which the government fronts the bill and then hikes the individual's tax bill once thy hit an income threshold until the loan gets paid off, while writing off interest as long as they stay in the country.

Carrot - check.
Stick - check.
Improved social mobility - check.
Not saddling an entire generation with compounding interest - check.
Person getting most of the benefits footing most of the bill over a more reasonable time frame - check.
More skilled workforce - check.

Trump's right in that there are genuine issues facing the working classes. Wages have remained low while essential costs such as rent and bills have increased. And we're in the middle of another massive industrial revolution, with automation forecast to "take" 800 million jobs worldwide by 2030. That revolution can either make life exponentially better for everyone (in the same way electricity, the internet and ICE engines have improved productivity and living standards in the 20th century) or it can exacerbate the current issues as people get left holding the bag once every single driving job gets phased out. But it's something that every government in the world desperately needs to address. And this is the broader issue I have with Trump - rolling back environmental regulations and cutting the corporate tax with an aim of bringing back coal mining jobs and car factory jobs isn't a solution. Revamping education is only part of the solution, but at least the Democrats have tried something.

To answer your question, Hillary's education plan was fairly well detailed but the numbers also stacked up according to independent estimates, with her policy actually projected to have brought in a surplus.
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I am sure there are plenty of plans being talked about but what are the details of these plans? What are these new plans you are talking about and again what are the details?

Where did you see the details of Hillary's plan? Where can I see these independent estimates that project a surplus?
That sounds too good to be true.
 
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