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Even if you cast aside the alleged pedophilia, Moore's an asshole. He said getting rid of amendments after the 10th would solve a lot of problems.

Amendments after the 10th include the 13th which abolished slavery, the 14th amendment which was the precedent for Brown v. Board and equal rights for all, the 15th which guarantees right to vote for all, regardless of race or color, and the 19th, which allowed women to vote. Not only that, but he doesn't think Muslims should hold public office and that homosexuality should be a crime.

Yeah, he's a bastard and I hold in low regard any Roy Moore apologist or supporter. Thank you Bama for letting decency prevail. Paint it blue!
 
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Inqui said:
I got curious about how much federal revenue a flat tax would bring so I took a look at the national personal income in 2012 (the most recent year I could find a full figure for while on mobile) and it was about $13 trillion on the nose. 20% of that is $2.6 trillion. The actual tax take that year was $2.45 trillion. A 22% flat tax would have brought in $2.86 trillion and a 22.5% one would bring in $2.95 trillion.

Granted that's a very simplistic analysis and I'd gladly defer to an economics report or something with more sophisticated projections than I'll ever have access to, but if nothing else it's an interesting thought.
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That's before accounting for tax breaks, though. A 22 percent flat tax would also be pretty tough to swallow for a lot of lower and working class families, especially in rural America. Not even Trump wants to impose that on the lower class.

It's a catch 22. If your flat tax is high enough to avoid deficits, it'll disproportionately harm the lower and working class. If it's low enough to where it won't hurt the poor, you'll have deficits. And all of this requires for their to be no tax breaks for the rich, which is a pipe dream, given that Republicans are in leadership.
 
Ludy51 said:
I guess the left has their election strategy set
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Not yet. This was an easy strategy -- illustrate the disparity between a man who prosecuted KKK members and a man who is accused to have molested children. Moore wrote the strategy for us.

We're far from set on a strategy, particularly on economic and education messaging. Our party is still split between the moderate Clinton faction and the progressive Sanders faction. I think there's an obvious strategy to focus on but other aren't so sure. The only way we can beat a moderate Republican like Hogan is by proving that we're the party of the working and middle class by focusing on strong, accessible public education and workforce development, in addition to showing ourselves to be in opposition to big business, supply side economics, and corporate welfare.

Public education, healthcare, and demand side economics should be the strategy. If it happens, we'll take back the House and the Senate.
 
RavensMania said:
Believe what you want, but this is the only fair way to have everyone pay the same amount. The reason we won’t have a flat tax is because professionals, ie cpas would lose jobs. I feel we could have something similar to a flat tax but still have some amendments to it allowing for the mortgage deductions. That lobby group is huge.

Say what you want, but there are a lot of conservatives who would love a flat tax, besides the rich would end up paying more tax because they wouldn’t have the write offs. That’s another reason why we will never have a flat tax.

Btw, that is not why we got rid of the flat tax. Income tax came into play in 1913. Sure we had taxes prior to then, but I’m talking about the passage of the 16th amendment.
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I'm aware of the 16th amendment. Shortly after its ratification, we enacted a simplistic progressive tax, and by 1918 the top bracket was taxed over 70 percent.

A progressive tax is the best fiscal policy government has to level the economic playing field and lessen income inequality, and you'd be hard pressed to find an economist who disagrees. The rub lies in the debate over whether that's the government's job. But if the goal of a tax plan is reducing income inequality, you want a progressive tax.
 
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Not only that, but he doesn't think Muslims should hold public office and that homosexuality should be a crime.
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which is unconstitutional isnt it given that the first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and article 6 says even more specifically "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"
 
rossihunter2 said:
it seems like you were intimating that the claims of multiple women do not constitute credible evidence...
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And his word is not credible evidence?

A person is presumed innocent until *proven* guilty.
Anything beyond that is speculation and assumption.
 
Ludy51 said:
I guess the left has their election strategy set
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Yeah no.... I, as a 19 year old would have won that election if I ran as a democrat in that state. I'm usually a guy who votes right but I had several reasons other the pedophilia for getting Moore out of there. That was a W for the left handed to them on a silver platter because Moore was a shit candidate.......
 
rossihunter2 said:
quick question: does anyone here support what just happened with net neutrality? and if they do can they say why?
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quick answer: no. i voted trump, not for partisan reasons(i fucking hate the 2 party system and how many people blindly vote red or blue) but mainly because i wasnt gonna fucking vote hillary, i dont trust the slimy scandalous reptilian bitch. overall aside from the twitter tirades and paper towel freethrows, i thought he was doing pretty well, but this just stinks of Trump working for mega corporations, i cant think of any other possible fucking reason. this is just asinine.

heres to hoping it doesnt pass though congress.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
quick answer: no. i voted trump, not for partisan reasons(i fucking hate the 2 party system and how many people blindly vote red or blue) but mainly because i wasnt gonna fucking vote hillary, i dont trust the slimy scandalous reptilian bitch. overall aside from the twitter tirades and paper towel freethrows, i thought he was doing pretty well, but this just stinks of Trump working for mega corporations, i cant think of any other possible fucking reason. this is just asinine.

heres to hoping it doesnt pass though congress.
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there's already been legal challenges - not sure if any of them will result in anything
 
You mean to tell me that the corporate business-loving right wing is bowing down to big Internet and getting rid of net neutrality? The only thing that shocks me is that people are surprised by this.

Like, no shit the right wing pulled a bag over your head and mugged you. They could make the rich richer. This is what the left has been telling y'all about Trump and conservatism for two years. They don't care about you. They care about rich people -- and not just your rich lawyer uncle. Richer than him. Richer than your mom the brain surgeon or your dad the attorney. The uber rich. That is all the right cares about.

If the right does care about normal people, they sure as shit don't know how to help them.
 
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