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The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

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K-Dog said:
Do some research on the AR-15.
It is a single shot rifle.

Heroin is illegal, you can still get it. If guns are made illegal you can still get them. A gun ban will only punish the law abiding.

Background checks and licensing exists in many states, but has had little to no impact.
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and yet everywhere else in the world that had problems with gun violence and got rid of guns has magically managed to reduce gun crime and mass shootings by orders of magnitude...

if background checks and licensing does nothing then you have to just get rid of guns period...

you cannot do nothing - that is unacceptable
 
So tell me again, why me, a law abiding citizen, who rightfully and legally owns his firearms, should, by force, have to give them up, based solely on the acts of others.
 
K-Dog said:
So tell me again, why me, a law abiding citizen, who rightfully and legally owns his firearms, should, by force, have to give them up, based solely on the acts of others.
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Because then they will feel like they're doing something, and even if it IS useless they feel like they're at least trying.
 
K-Dog said:
So tell me again, why me, a law abiding citizen, who rightfully and legally owns his firearms, should, by force, have to give them up, based solely on the acts of others.
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one bomb in a shoe and now everyone goes through airport security in socks...
how's that any different?

the only difference is that it only took 1 incident to change the laws and regulations in that instance
nothing has changed in gun control...

i dont understand how you are fine with nothing changing?
 
Ludy51 said:
Because then they will feel like they're doing something, and even if it IS useless they feel like they're at least trying.
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but its not going to be useless
in london you are just as likely to be robbed as you are in new york - the difference is that in new york you are 54 times more likely to be killed

the USA has less than 5% of the worlds population yet has more than 30% of the world's share of mass shootings... the next highest country is the phillipines and they have less than a 5th of the number of incidents

uk had 1 massacre in 1996 in dunblane and clamped down on gun controls - we've had 1 major shooting since
australia had 1 massacre and banned guns immediately - they've had 1 major shooting since
 
rossihunter2 said:
but its not going to be useless
in london you are just as likely to be robbed as you are in new york - the difference is that in new york you are 54 times more likely to be killed

the USA has less than 5% of the worlds population yet has more than 30% of the world's share of mass shootings... the next highest country is the phillipines and they have less than a 5th of the number of incidents

uk had 1 massacre in 1996 in dunblane and clamped down on gun controls - we've had 1 major shooting since
australia had 1 massacre and banned guns immediately - they've had 1 major shooting since
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And the acid attacks? Knife attacks? Truck attacks? Gang rapes?
 
rossihunter2 said:
one bomb in a shoe and now everyone goes through airport security in socks...
how's that any different?

the only difference is that it only took 1 incident to change the laws and regulations in that instance
nothing has changed in gun control...

i dont understand how you are fine with nothing changing?
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You didn't answer my question.

What makes you ASSUME I am fine with nothing changing?
That is a pretty bold assumption that I think that just because we don't see eye to eye on a solution.
You must really think I am a heartless piece of shit.
 
BTW taking off my shoes is hardly the equivalent to giving up my constitutional rights to protect myself and my family
 
K-Dog said:
You didn't answer my question.

What makes you ASSUME I am fine with nothing changing?
That is a pretty bold assumption that I think that just because we don't see eye to eye on a solution.
You must really think I am a heartless piece of shit.
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what is the solution then?
because i wont lie - all i got from your post was that you didnt want to give up your guns...
 
rossihunter2 said:
what is the solution then?
because i wont lie - all i got from your post was that you didnt want to give up your guns...
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All I get from your post is you want to dictate what parts of our constitution we should ignore.
All I get from your post is you don't like guns so I should not be allowed to have one.
All I get from your post is guns not people are the problem.
All I get from your post is to punish the law abiding.
All I get from your post is this fantasy world where criminals will suddenly stop breaking the law if you make something illegal.

Yes I want to keep my firearms that I am completely legally allowed to own.
What is wrong with that?

What is wrong with that?

What is wrong with that?
 
K-Dog said:
Because bad guys have guns.

Have you ever heard the saying
"Don't bring a knife to a gun fight" ?
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But if they don't have guns, why would you need one?

There are other things you can do to protect yourself. Take self defense classes. I took mixed martial arts classes for 8-ish years, and we learned how to defend against different situations.
 
K-Dog said:
All I get from your post is you want to dictate what parts of our constitution we should ignore.
All I get from your post is you don't like guns so I should not be allowed to have one.
All I get from your post is guns not people are the problem.
All I get from your post is to punish the law abiding.
All I get from your post is this fantasy world where criminals will suddenly stop breaking the law if you make something illegal.

Yes I want to keep my firearms that I am completely legally allowed to own.
What is wrong with that?

What is wrong with that?

What is wrong with that?
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I've always hated that statement
"You sound like you don't want to give up your guns"
Yeah, so?

You wouldn't say that about a car ban
"You just sound like you don't want to give up your car, you heartless monster"

It's just a stupid non-argument.
 
Ludy51 said:
You wouldn't say that about a car ban
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difference is that regulations make cars safer... cars are also hard to purchase because they are expensive and you need insurance to drive them, and you can only drive them when you've earned a licence which comes after having done mandated training and passing an assessment of your proficiency

why shouldnt the same regulations be imposed on guns (which are literally designed to kill people)
- why shouldnt guns be difficult to acquire?
- why shouldnt you need insurance on a gun you own?
- why shouldnt you need a licence to buy and use a gun?
- why shouldnt you have to have done mandated training and have a proficiency test before you use them?
 
SepticeyePoe said:
But if they don't have guns, why would you need one?

There are other things you can do to protect yourself. Take self defense classes. I took mixed martial arts classes for 8-ish years, and we learned how to defend against different situations.
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How is it they won't have guns?
 
SepticeyePoe said:
But if they don't have guns, why would you need one?

There are other things you can do to protect yourself. Take self defense classes. I took mixed martial arts classes for 8-ish years, and we learned how to defend against different situations.
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IF ?
IF ?
They DO have guns.
I am not taking chances on a ludicrous hypothetical.
 
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