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rossihunter2 said:
my question is legally what were the FBI able to do - what should they have done differently?
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that's what is going to be interesting to find out. was there anything they could do? and if there was did they do it?


this has potential to turn into a mess
 
gtalk12 said:
that's what is going to be interesting to find out. was there anything they could do? and if there was did they do it?


this has potential to turn into a mess
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my instinct is that there's not much they can legally do because this guy only committed a crime (by my understanding) when he planned the attack (if he did plan it - i dont know that information) unless im missing something nuanced...

maybe if he's treated like a terrorist does that give them more powers to do something more substantial based on less information? but then there's other problems inherent in that direction too...
 
gtalk12 said:
this is what is being talked about down here. my father is friends with multiple parents that lost their children at the school. he's not doing to well to say the least, however there are questions being raised here.

I don't believe in a ban for the guns, I do however believe we should be enforcing the laws we already have AND possibly adding more steps to the process. It's not suppose to be easy to my understanding but when I ask around how gun owners have purchased weapons it sounds too easy.

I myself will be looking forward to being a gun owner at some point this year so I will have first hand knowledge in South Florida.

There has to be or should be a way to have access to that information. If I was selling a gun to a 19 year old that would raise an eyebrow to me had I known the police have been called 39 times.

As for the FBI? What a joke and they better hope the parents start point a finger because this is going to get ugly fast.



Sidenote, my best friends father is the Vice principal at that school. This hit close to home
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I have been learning that purchasing laws in Florida are fairly lax. I reckon that is going to change eventually.
Maryland it is pretty involved to buy a firearm. I have mixed feeling on this.
 
I am fairly certain the ATF has the authority to temporarily seize legally owned firearms.
I think the FBI does as well. Don't quote me on that.
 
K-Dog said:
I have been learning that purchasing laws in Florida are fairly lax. I reckon that is going to change eventually.
Maryland it is pretty involved to buy a firearm. I have mixed feeling on this.
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I think that there is an opportunity to learn from different countries in this regard. It seems Japan has a very proactive approach and requires mental examinations every few years.


The details are important of course, but I am not against the general idea
 
gtalk12 said:
I think that there is an opportunity to learn from different countries in this regard. It seems Japan has a very proactive approach and requires mental examinations every few years.


The details are important of course, but I am not against the general idea
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As has been said, we have the right to privacy act to contend with.
The salesman at the gun shop has no business knowing my mental condition.
Additionally, where do we draw the line?
I can give you extreme cases of course, but everything in the middle gets muddy quickly.

I am not arguing. I agree completely, but it easier said than done. Implementing it would be a daunting task with not only legal ramifications but public safety as well.
 
K-Dog said:
As has been said, we have the right to privacy act to contend with.
The salesman at the gun shop has no business knowing my mental condition.
Additionally, where do we draw the line?
I can give you extreme cases of course, but everything in the middle gets muddy quickly.

I am not arguing. I agree completely, but it easier said than done. Implementing it would be a daunting task with not only legal ramifications but public safety as well.
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I agree with you completely that it gets muddy quickly
 
K-Dog said:
As has been said, we have the right to privacy act to contend with.
The salesman at the gun shop has no business knowing my mental condition.
Additionally, where do we draw the line?
I can give you extreme cases of course, but everything in the middle gets muddy quickly.

I am not arguing. I agree completely, but it easier said than done. Implementing it would be a daunting task with not only legal ramifications but public safety as well.
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Guessing everything would be vetted before you ever saw the salesman at the gun shop. I think I read that in Germany the check is done by the police.
 
Tank said:
Guessing everything would be vetted before you ever saw the salesman at the gun shop. I think I read that in Germany the check is done by the police.
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Probably a better way to go about it for sure, but I don't know if I want the police knowing my personal information either, but it is better than a salesman.

Doesn't make the rest of it any easier, and on top of all that, knowing how "efficient" our government is the backlog would be astronomical. Which again, could be a good thing or a bad thing.
 
K-Dog said:
Armed school resources officer "hid" outside.

Fucking waste. Sorry ass coward.
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I am so extremely disappointed to hear that. If you are a school resource officer, those are your kids. How can you not go in and fight for them? It goes against everything I personally believe in.
 
cobrajet said:
I am so extremely disappointed to hear that. If you are a school resource officer, those are your kids. How can you not go in and fight for them? It goes against everything I personally believe in.
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I can't imagine his life will ever be the same on multiple levels.
 
it's getting worse, it's been reported (I have not gone out of my way to investigate it yet) that there were 4 sheriff's deputies that hid during the shooting
 
gtalk12 said:
it's getting worse, it's been reported (I have not gone out of my way to investigate it yet) that there were 4 sheriff's deputies that hid during the shooting
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I didn't hear four. I heard one.
I hope it is not four.
 
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