Edgar
Ravens Ring of Honor
Strictly preference. Beckham is great but he strikes me as a bit selfish.
Landry is every bit as productive and fits the Ravens to a tee.
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2018 Secondary
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Landry is every bit as productive and fits the Ravens to a tee.
nope - landry is manufactured production where his per-snap numbers are going to be forced because he needs lots of work in order to create production...
beckham is a game-wrecker on every snap in every facet - he's an incredible route runner who's ridiculously sudden, he has top-end speed, has good length and unreal hand skills - he can be uncoverable at times - i bet you not one defence has ever game-planned around jarvis landry outside of knowing that the dolphins are going to feed him the ball
Edgar
Ravens Ring of Honor
You are under selling Landry more than a little. If you're trying to convince me that Beckham is great or that he's a better receiver, you don't need to. I understand this.
I'm simply saying that I prefer Landry for the Ravens. Beckham is a headache who essentially demands an offense run through him.
If the Ravens were to sign Landry in free agency next off season I will jump for joy. You will as well.
what is it in landry's game that suggests to you he's legitimately a number 1 type receiver, would fit in the ravens system or generally be successful if he isnt the focus of the offense?
Define acting ghetto.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
You may personally prefer Landry, and if it's due to beckhams childish behavior that's understandable, but to prefer him strictly for football reasons is insane. Beckham may legitimately be the best receiver in the NFL, Landry is 2nd tier, he isn't elite, he isn't a gamebreaker, he doesn't crush every level of the field against any competition like odb. He's a sure handed guy with some size and some power, he's in the same tier as d. Thomas, decker, Allen Robinson, etc. while odb is in the same tier as Cooper and jordy Nelson and mike Evans and AB and Hopkins.
One is a steady contributor and the other is an unquestioned elite freak of nature. If we nabbed Landry I'd be ecstatic, if we nabbed odb I might actually cry and get a blonde Mohawk and get "ravens world champs 20XX" tattooed on my forehead.
Edgar
Ravens Ring of Honor
I'm sure he isn't a text book one but I'm fairly certain he would be successful anywhere in the NFL.
I'm not going to buy wholly into the, "manufactured" thing either.
There's a reason outside of that that he's been successful for three years under multiple coordinators and whilst receiving from a pretty average quarterback.
I love his physicality. He has great hands, is tremendous after the catch.
Put him him on this team next to Perriman and you have the second coming of Boldin/Smith. ( better if you take on the hopeful expectation that Perriman delivers on his potential).
Sooky
MVP
I don't know why but Jarvis Landry reminds me of Emmanuel Sanders a few years ago. I know their games are different but they are such good receivers but definitely not good enough to carry an offense. Jarvis Landry is fantastic in the slot and can consistently get the best of a team's 2nd or 3rd receiver. I think he is the best complementary receiver in the NFL and is very underrated. I see the same with Sanders... I would love Landry on the Ravens but that would mean that either Perriman balls out and becomes the #1 everyone is hoping he could be or Maclin proves it was an injury holding him back in an anemic Chiefs offense. Problem is Landry will get #1 receiver money and will be forced to be the #1 option somewhere I can guarantee that.
Boldnpurpblack
Practice Squad
He said.... "I prefer his teammate at LSU"
Jernigan wasnt Landry's teammate at LSU, which I can only infer means he was saying that he pefer's Landry over Landry's teammate at LSU.... and the only one of Landry's teammates at LSU that was being discussed in the preceding posts was Beckham.
That can only be taken to mean, he prefers Landry to Beckham... and that to support that point he was really hoping we took Landry over Jernigan even at that time.
Boldnpurpblack
Practice Squad
lol right?? Beckham personifies the "ghetto" stereotype we've created, what with his prim and well conditioned blonde hair, somewhat androgynous/effeminate qualities, high fashion, upper-middle-class up bringing, etc...
Dont like to put words in mouths but it seems by "ghetto" he meant black and at times loudly expressive.
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Boldnpurpblack
Practice Squad
I can accept if you like Landry better, thats perfectly fine and opinion.
But i cant understand preferring Landry for the Ravens, or the comment of Beckham being a headache or demanding the offense run through him.
Joe and the Ravens have never been good at the screen game or with timing/accuracy passes at or around the line of scrimmage.... hitting the receiver in stride. And thats Landry's game. If you're not focusing on that, and cant get Landry 5 good touches that way a game you're practically wasting his talents.
I cant think of any team/offense where Landry is a better fit than Odell. Because Odell can be just as good if not better at what Landry does and Landry doesnt do what Odell does on the outside. Odell wins with route running, he wins with understanding coverage and finding gaps, he wins on physicality, leaping ability, can win with deep speed, he makes the impossible catches, and has the sure hands. He takes the short ones to house.
They have equal # of catches, and tied records for this stage in their careers.... but what theyve done with those catches is no where near close, and Odell's played less games.
And Odell doesnt have to demand offense goes through him -- it just does bc hes borderline uncoverable. I dont even really like the guy, but its just the truth. To this point in his career he might be the best receiver ever. If he keeps it up he will be in the Rice, Moss, TO territory.
If anything - Landry's skill set forces you to run the offense through him, or you just wont take advantage of his skill set. If you dont move him around in the slot to create favorable matchups and force feed him touches on quick screens, drags, etc... hes only going to create 2-3 catches for 15 yds a game.
You look at our games last season against them and it tells the story. Only way to stop Odell from literally beating you single-handedly is to have a top, top CB. WHen Jimmy goes down he scores 2 long TD's and beats us.
Landry -- as long as you have a decent secondary that can keep Parker/Stills from gashing you and have LB's/Safeties who can tackle.... Landry isnt a threat to hurt you. The only way Landry is really a killer is if you have to sell out with your safeties to give your CB's help over top. Then Landry will paper cut you to death. But as long as you can stop one of those guys 1on1 you should be fine.
Exactly. I consider negative stereotyping to be almost universally avoidable, but the fact that we've seen the words thug, thuggish and ghetto used to describe a player whom as you've mentioned has been knocked for being foppish, unmanly, and fashion-centric complicates the usage further. Considering how often Beckham Jr. has been ridiculed for either dancing provocatively, posing shirtless in pictures with the same sex, etc., if anything, he's been mocked for his open emotions, so the persona doesn't appear to remotely fit the terms used to date. The additional concern stems from your following point, in that on the surface, the misuse comes off as a general negative connotation for a flashy person of color. I'm not willing to pass full judgement as things could obviously be read into, but that's the only visible logical connection on what has thus far been the only knock. It doesn't help that this is the second time on this board that the same member voiced their distaste for an athlete while citing said athlete being ghetto as the reason behind it. I personally want this place to be an open forum for thoughts and ideas, where we can have blunt, barbershop-like banter as long as we're toeing the line. But a lot can be said without saying it, so considering that there could be some uncomfortable implications abound, in the future, added context would be helpful to both the OP and the rest of the members in order to clarify things either way.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
He wears timbs on a boat. Ghetto af.
Lmao in all seriousness Though, I've heard rumors that he's actually a metalhead. Super ghetto eh?
Edgar
Ravens Ring of Honor
None of us should feel ourselves equipped to answer a question posed to another and presume their mind or motivation.
In this case, the opportunity has been taken to put forth a fairly negative insinuation about the character of someone you've not actually met.
With respect, we are so loosely acquainted generally and should have no business dealings with the above presumption. It chooses to paint the more dire portrait instead of assuming something positive...or at least something more innocuous. AND it can create an unfair narrative moving forward when left unanswered.
Rav'n Maniac
Practice Squad
Yeah and Gronk's a drunken cracker.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Pero Gronk es fiesta
Boldnpurpblack
Practice Squad
Seriously??? Fair enough on the not assuming someones character... but really? Could have meant something positive by calling him ghetto in an entirely negative context? Like "what i meant by ghetto is that Beckham lives in really affordable housing"....
Ghetto, in and of itself, is a term that is inherently negative... thats like calling someone an A-hole and responding "hey lets wait for the facts..... couldve been a postive in there"
No. Assuming that would be entirely absurd. The entire post was negative. And not in the sense that Beckham unfortunately is living in a high crime area, in government subsidized housing, etc...
No conclusions about character were drawn from what using ghetto in that way means.... i didnt say "bc you used "ghetto" in this sense - youre a racist!" If i did you can point me to where...
But lets not pretend like he or anyone is going to use "ghetto" to describe Travis Kelce.
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Doubtful. They are both still tops at their game and even with thr injuries, Harbaugh has kept us competitive, even when we won 5 games.
Boldnpurpblack
Practice Squad
Yea, i dont see Stevie B firing either unless something drastic happens... like the guys just stop playing for Harbs. Even he'd probably give him another chance to figure it out.
It's definitely not playoff or bust at least, imo. As you said, even with half the time on IR, Harbs coached a vastly under-talented team to take every game to the wire. His teams are always going to be at worst, in a position where at the end of the season you say -- if we fix this one position group, or if these 5 plays had gone our way, or played 5 minutes of better football... we're a good playoff team.
Harbs has proven that when given the talent, his teams perform. They make the playoffs and then get the job done when there. Plain and simple. Steve B isnt dumb, he looks around the league and knows that other than the Pats, hes in a group with the Steelers, Packers, and maybe now Seattle and the Broncos that have a chance every year. And they also happen to be among the other, most stable franchises that dont panic bc of 1 or 2 bad seasons.