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2018 Secondary

Lost_In_Translation said:
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LIAR. Name my favorite Defensive lineman prospect. I'll wait.

But I see your point here.
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Given how close our tastes have been this season, I'll go with Vita Vea
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I'll give it to @Sledge Hammer he was hyping Stanley late in the process. He was my #1 early on but once the bullshit "lazy rumors" started catching steam I bought into it lol. But oddly, after the draft he suddenly switched to tunsil and bashed Ozzie for it lol
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Your mistaking me for somebody. I never criticized Stanley pick. I liked tunsil early but then Stanley was the player I wanted at No.6 all along the draft. I do recall turning you on to juju. You liked his teammate better. I would of liked juju at 16 even. But definitely more than bowser.
 
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Jacquouille said:
What is weird though is that all the guys who are blaming Ozzie several monthes later rarely show up on the draft thread. I know who @JoeyFlex5 likes, I know who @Lost_In_Translation likes, I know who @rossihunter2 likes, so if they were to tell me about how they're frustrated, I'd listen. But for @Deebo813, whom I don't recall talking about draft to, or @Sledge Hammer (whom the only things I recall is that he wanted Nkemdiche in 2016) to say they had a better plan and knew all along who in this class would be All Pros, that's very, very easy.
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I think we all know who I like. I post maybe 10 picks a year that I REALLY want.
 
RavensMania said:
you mean like Andrew Luck. Injuries happen and there is no guarantees he comes back like he was. He may never live up to his draft hype now. Shoulder injuries are a difficult injury to recover from. Injuries derailed Julio Jones early on as well. As I said, there are no guarantees and if that player you trade up for has a major injury you are sorry and out of luck, because he didn't come with a return clause.
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Andrew Luck may never live up to his talent because the Colts are massively inept.
 
RavensMania said:
you mean like Andrew Luck. Injuries happen and there is no guarantees he comes back like he was. He may never live up to his draft hype now. Shoulder injuries are a difficult injury to recover from. Injuries derailed Julio Jones early on as well. As I said, there are no guarantees and if that player you trade up for has a major injury you are sorry and out of luck, because he didn't come with a return clause.
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That can apply to anyone, I was speaking in terms of their potential for production. Sure Julio had his injuries but his skill set allowed him to come back better then ever. I think people need to understand the trade off in Julio nearly got the Falcons a SB title. I think the three years of them missing the post-season is more attributed to their poor drafting, people tend to forget that Cleveland didn't benefit from that trade because nearly every pick they made from that deal turned out to be busts. Sometimes, you take quality over quantity, and man, did Cleveland screw up their picks in the most Cleveland Browns manor, it won't always work out for the side that stocks up on picks.

In Andrew Lucks case, the Colts really did not attempt to protect them and I believe that if it weren't for that he probably would not have issues with injuries.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I think we all know who I like. I post maybe 10 picks a year that I REALLY want.
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You know what, I didn't include you because I couldn't remember for the life of mine who were your guys. But I know you were very involved in the predraft discussions.

One thing I clearly remember though is that you were the very first one to hype up the Humphrey pick.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Your mistaking me for somebody. I never criticized Stanley pick. I liked tunsil early but then Stanley was the player I wanted at No.6 all along the draft. I do recall turning you on to juju. You liked his teammate better. I would of liked juju at 16 even. But definitely more than bowser.
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lol I was hyping juju the year prior. I already liked him but I soured on him early in the year.

And yeah after watching a few games of rogers I fell in love with his great hands but his 40 time was way slower than expected, he just doesn't have the prerequisite speed
 
Jacquouille said:
What is weird though is that all the guys who are blaming Ozzie several monthes later rarely show up on the draft thread. I know who @JoeyFlex5 likes, I know who @Lost_In_Translation likes, I know who @rossihunter2 likes, so if they were to tell me about how they're frustrated, I'd listen. But for @Deebo813, whom I don't recall talking about draft to, or @Sledge Hammer (whom the only things I recall is that he wanted Nkemdiche in 2016) to say they had a better plan and knew all along who in this class would be All Pros, that's very, very easy.
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Only guys i really liked past draft was lattimore and hooker. I wouldve moved up to get either one tbh.
 
Jacquouille said:
What is weird though is that all the guys who are blaming Ozzie several monthes later rarely show up on the draft thread. I know who @JoeyFlex5 likes, I know who @Lost_In_Translation likes, I know who @rossihunter2 likes, so if they were to tell me about how they're frustrated, I'd listen. But for @Deebo813, whom I don't recall talking about draft to, or @Sledge Hammer (whom the only things I recall is that he wanted Nkemdiche in 2016) to say they had a better plan and knew all along who in this class would be All Pros, that's very, very easy.
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And you will never ever ever see me blame, only our players
 
RavensMania said:
Yep, Nkemdiche was the next JJ Watt, per Sledgehammer.
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Early in the draft season I did. But like Tunsil I heard of steroid whispers. I have no prob with ravens players that use as long as he is not caught. However If a player is to use PEDs I would prefer he already be a really good college player without it. Then maybe use it to put on some size and strength for the NFL. As opposed to using PEDs to be great in college. Then can't get any better, stronger. Every draft is different. Like Stanley was already great. It would be cool to see him put on some muscle and strength to jolt and slow down speed rushers. If he used PEDs he would be the best tackle in league. With his technique and athleticism it wouldn't be fair to edge rushers lol

Some drafts are deep so u trade down while some are loaded at the top but not very deep. 2016 was loaded rounds2-4. So I wouldn't of favored trading back into round1 to snag'em. Later in draft season I liked Will Henry better. And the dude the steelers drafted as well
 
Jacquouille said:
It's so, so, so easy to be couch GMs and 5 months later proclaim "He was my favourite player ever, Ozzie is an ass for not trading up to get him, you have to go and get your guy at some point".

First off, no he wasn't your favourite player ever, you just liked among others but since he's proven the best of the bunch you act like he was your guy all along.

Second, how many teams actually trade up in the first round to get a non QB prospect? Nearly none. Because you're going to get equal talent anyway, because every prospect is a diamond in the rough and when you talk about first round players they are all extremely talented and you can't narrow it down to one player. If there are 3 or 4 players you love when the team before you picks, why trade up?

Third, who the hell said Marlon wasn't Ozzie's guy all along? Why is it so impossible that he just got the one he wanted, or at least one of the guys he wanted the most? Hypothetically, if Ozzie had indeed traded his first and a 3rd round pick to get his guy who ultimately would be Marlon, what would you have said? Do you really think you can tell Ozzie why Hooker is a better prospect than Humphrey? Please don't, you'd get humilated to death.

And please just stop talking about "trade ups trade ups trade ups", that's not how you build a franchise and everyone who's thought about it for 2 seconds knows it.
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Ozzies drafting has sucked.!! Get over it dude. You really have to sugarcoat things to make it appear his drafting is even average. If Ozzie likes Humph more than Lattimore and Hooker then his scouting is even worse than everybody thinks. The idea Humph was his dude all along isn't helping lol
 
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Sledge Hammer said:
Your mistaking me for somebody. I never criticized Stanley pick. I liked tunsil early but then Stanley was the player I wanted at No.6 all along the draft. I do recall turning you on to juju. You liked his teammate better. I would of liked juju at 16 even. But definitely more than bowser.
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Don't look now but ronnie stanley is the number 1 run blocking tackle in the NFL.
As he gains more power as he gets older he's going to be a great great player.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Ozzies drafting has sucked.!! Get over it dude. You really have to sugarcoat things to make it appear his drafting is even average. If Ozzie likes Humph more than Lattimore and Hooker then his scouting is even worse than everybody thinks. The idea Humph was his dude all along isn't helping lol
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Saying his drafting has sucked when he's gotten us 7 or 8 starters just in last year's draft, that's very funny.
Maybe because Lattimore had Campanaro-esque harmstrings and Hooker was a one year wonder who had two surgeries in the offseason?
Maybe because he knows our system and our defense better than you?
Maybe because he knows, unlike you, what his coaches can and cannot fix in a player?
Or maybe because he also interviewed the players and has probably twice to thrice the data you have on them?
 
Jacquouille said:
You know what, I didn't include you because I couldn't remember for the life of mine who were your guys. But I know you were very involved in the predraft discussions.

One thing I clearly remember though is that you were the very first one to hype up the Humphrey pick.
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Humphrey was really my big one last year. He was my Todd Gurley or Zeke Elliott. Those were my last two draft crushes.

A few others for me (and I have very few each year) were Dalvin Cook, Pat Elfein, and Mike Williams as guys I REALLY wanted.

Oh, forgot Quincy Wilson. I think he'll be a stud in time.
 
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JoeyFlex5 said:
lol I was hyping juju the year prior. I already liked him but I soured on him early in the year.

And yeah after watching a few games of rogers I fell in love with his great hands but his 40 time was way slower than expected, he just doesn't have the prerequisite speed
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I didn't get behind JuJu because of the perceived lack of speed and the ability to separate.

No speed issues on that 97 yard touchdown.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Ozzies drafting has sucked.!! Get over it dude. You really have to sugarcoat things to make it appear his drafting is even average. If Ozzie likes Humph more than Lattimore and Hooker then his scouting is even worse than everybody thinks. The idea Humph was his dude all along isn't helping lol
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Lattimore was the most talented, and most injured corner in years. Humphrey was one of the more raw high end corners but is the only db who legitimately has a Jalen Ramsey ceiling.

Lattimore was equally raw, but had a skill set that masked his rawness, you can be raw and inexperienced but if you have length and you mirror every single step the wr makes then you won't get tested or exposed. Humphrey has the higher ceiling and no injury history(knock on every piece of wood ever) being the better overall athlete, a skillset that could make him an elite CB or safety, and he and Jalen Ramsey have a mentality that is rare for dbs and the kind of mentality you want. Lattimore was the less diverse and riskier player.
 
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