This is not true in the case of Jimmy.
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2018 Secondary
- Thread starter JoeyFlex5
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It’s these uninformed statements that are the are the reason for Joeys response below.
Totally agree. Really sad.
BloodRaven
Pro Bowler
Yeah that is true, I remember a few years ago he was in the shutdown corner discussion and it seemed like he was on the decline. Hes playing great.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Ravens typically give the other corners help, jimmy allows them to do this, making every other db look much better.
we shade safety help to the other side of the field because jimmy rarely needs any unless we're playing a zone where he's passing deep routes over to a safety
The Beckham Jr. example isn't the most applicable. He did have a terrific PD on a deep ball against Beckham Jr., but they saw each other on exactly 6 snaps in both the run and the pass. And Beckham Jr. begun the day lining up on the right side, which is apropos for a No.1 WR. Felt compelled to comment as I called out the example a while back and wanted to be consistent. The Green example from this season is somewhat tricky. Green was mostly lined up as the RWR in week 1, with 4 of his 10 targets coming as the LWL. One was a 3 step slant against Smith in off-man Cover 1 for a 14 yard gain, which is almost indefensible for Smith. One was an incomplete fade against Eric Weddle in the Tampa 2. One was a deep post for 27 yards that begun against Smith in the Cover 3, wherein Smith trailed Green at the break point but then broke on the wrong receiver after the throw was made. And the last one was the interception against Green's comeback route in press-man Cover 1 that was played perfectly by Smith. Weddle did technically double Green after a faux blitz, but he was several yards away when the throw was made and his presence didn't contribute. Those were the only ones I've had the chance to review. Obviously it doesn't take away from the fact that Smith has played at an outright elite level this season. He's been by far our best coverage defender in my eyes and I don't see that changing. I'm very much thrilled about him regaining his pre-injury 2014 form. I'm just a stickler for breakdowns when it comes to targets and snaps against players, which is generally even more muddied for RCBs.
For as well as Lattimore has played, he isn't topping a Ramsey, Jimmy, Rhodes, Bouye
I tjink there's something to be said for the opposing offenses lining up their top wide receiver on your side for 6 snaps out of 70+.
It does to a degree. There's an obvious incentive to avoid the team's best CB, although No.1 WRs do innately line up at RWR more often; but it's not quite as applicable in this scenario as the total figure wasn't remotely close to 70+ snaps. Beckham Jr. missed snaps in the first half after the injury and then Smith was ruled out due to a concussion in the meantime. They were on the field for a small fraction of the above figure.
I was saying more in general that if your receiver is lining up against Smith for 6, 7 snaps a game out of 70 snaps, that's something to be said for Smith, not necessarily about the Giants game in particular.
Remember the Seahawks game from a few years ago where the Packers just entirely avoided Sherman's side? How often did Jordy line up on the right side that game?
SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
Canady has been moved to the active roster.
You are correct; Nelson literally didn't line up once against Sherman. And another recent example would be Antonio Brown avoiding Josh Norman for most of the contest. Conceptually speaking, it's less natural to forcibly avoid the LCB as the No.1 WR of a right-handed QB, so it's not perfectly mirrored given that avoiding the RCB makes sense from both the nature of the position and match up wise. Therefore, the additional credit is slanted in comparison but is still obviously present because on the flip side, if the RCB is a liability, it could entice teams to line up their best receiver there more often. The bottom line for me is that if Smith is asked to man the RCB spot and he does it extremely well, there's nothing more than can be asked of him. I see. The specific mention of 6 snaps in a post quoting a statement where only one example gave that exact amount of snaps in one of the examples made it sound as a direct response to the sentiment.
I think if we were to analyze how much a receiver lines up on each side of the formation and then look at the amount of snaps a receiver lines up on the left or right depending on who your corners are (LCB or RCB), we'd see a statistically significant difference between where a receiver lines up based on the corners on the field (maybe look at top 10 corners in passer rating, All-Pros, Pro Bowl starters).
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Back in 2014 he was in serious discussion of shutdown status and then the Lisfranc occurred, which he didn’t heal from until. Mid season 2015. As a matter of fact he didn’t even have the screws remember removed until the offseason of 2016. He never was on the decline.
im hoping that all those injuries allowed his body to heal and rest. I mean his last int he look like he still runs a 4.4. i can see him playing at this level for atleast another year and half.
I appreciate you bringing this up and remember there were limited snaps, but I did t recall how limited. If you ever wanted a new screen name, I believe the enforcer may work.
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