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2018 Secondary

RavensMania said:
Back in 2014 he was in serious discussion of shutdown status and then the Lisfranc occurred, which he didn’t heal from until. Mid season 2015. As a matter of fact he didn’t even have the screws remember removed until the offseason of 2016. He never was on the decline.
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I don't know if you're agreeing or not
 
I think we certainly are one of the top secondaries in the league. I believe our CBs and depth at CBs makes us solid. I'm unsure about our safety play at this point but both Weddle and Jefferson have been inconsistent at best especially with missed tackles. So, if the safeties can pick up their play, I do believe we could be in the top 3 group conversation. Jimmy Smith, Carr, Humphrey, Maurice Canady, Jaylen Hill and Webb gives us a lot of flexibility and play maker abilities.
 
redrum52 said:
I didn't realize this until I started watching him more, but Pat P is a little overrated.

The one thing I'll give him is he'll follow a wr which is becoming rare.
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Thats only reason why id rate him so high.. he follows number #1. Only guy in lg that does that.i think completion percentage vs him is like 59. Thats. not too bad
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I think if we were to analyze how much a receiver lines up on each side of the formation and then look at the amount of snaps a receiver lines up on the left or right depending on who your corners are (LCB or RCB), we'd see a statistically significant difference between where a receiver lines up based on the corners on the field (maybe look at top 10 corners in passer rating, All-Pros, Pro Bowl starters).
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I agree, though I would wager that they'd be less likely to avoid LCBs in comparison given the inconvenience of forcing any reads towards the most dependable target to be away from the QB's open side (Provided that they're right handed). It's also why such scenarios with Nelson and Brown are memorable as they're easier to dissect as conscious strategies. Although that's based on theory. I don't have the means to handle the data crunching. Definitely a portion of PFF's product that I miss.
 
redrum52 said:
I didn't realize this until I started watching him more, but Pat P is a little overrated.

The one thing I'll give him is he'll follow a wr which is becoming rare.
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I agree, and I haven't watched a lot of Pat P but I don't see him as a shutdown guy.
 
Pat Pete doesn't mirror as well as a lot of the other shutdown guys. He's the most freakish athlete, and I wouldn't wanna see joe test him on a jumpball even if we had a monster receiver, but I'll take a lot of elite route runners to give him a hard time, where I have full
Confidence in jimmy to mirror good route runners
 
Deebo813 said:
Thats only reason why id rate him so high.. he follows number #1. Only guy in lg that does that.i think completion percentage vs him is like 59. Thats. not too bad
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59% completion percentage would arguably be below average for a CB. The top tier numbers usually fall under or just above 50%. Ladainian Tomlinson has made an argument for several years that there are no current shutdown CBs because nobody finishes the year with under 40%, citing Darrelle Revis' 37% in 2009, but it's a misguided barometer which casually forgets that Revis' campaign is an outlier as one of the best of all-time. It should be noted that Peterson absolutely is not the only CB to shadow. Morris Claiborne has shadowed every week. Darius Slay has shadowed in most weeks. Same goes for Xavier Rhodes, and Casey Hayward. Janoris Jenkins shadowed the big-time WRs, i.e. Dez Bryant, Mike Evans and Demaryius Thomas. But to aid your point, the numbers have been there for Peterson. He's given up the least receptions in the league with 7, tied with Briean Boddy-Calhoun. He's been targeted 22 times, he's allowed the 2nd lowest yards with 82 just behind Boddy-Calhoun's 74. He has given up a score, but he's also allowed a QB rating of just 59.3, which is in the Top 12.
 
Truth said:
The Beckham Jr. example isn't the most applicable. He did have a terrific PD on a deep ball against Beckham Jr., but they saw each other on exactly 6 snaps in both the run and the pass. And Beckham Jr. begun the day lining up on the right side, which is apropos for a No.1 WR. Felt compelled to comment as I called out the example a while back and wanted to be consistent. The Green example from this season is somewhat tricky. Green was mostly lined up as the RWR in week 1, with 4 of his 10 targets coming as the LWL. One was a 3 step slant against Smith in off-man Cover 1 for a 14 yard gain, which is almost indefensible for Smith. One was an incomplete fade against Eric Weddle in the Tampa 2. One was a deep post for 27 yards that begun against Smith in the Cover 3, wherein Smith trailed Green at the break point but then broke on the wrong receiver after the throw was made. And the last one was the interception against Green's comeback route in press-man Cover 1 that was played perfectly by Smith. Weddle did technically double Green after a faux blitz, but he was several yards away when the throw was made and his presence didn't contribute. Those were the only ones I've had the chance to review. Obviously it doesn't take away from the fact that Smith has played at an outright elite level this season. He's been by far our best coverage defender in my eyes and I don't see that changing. I'm very much thrilled about him regaining his pre-injury 2014 form. I'm just a stickler for breakdowns when it comes to targets and snaps against players, which is generally even more muddied for RCBs.
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That is consistent what I heard about Jimmy smith and ravens coverage schemes. And the reason jimmy will not the get respect of his peer NO.1 cornerbacks. He gets help although rarely in the play, he has that reassurance. That and he doesn't make big plays( int's). Jimmy performs what Ravens ask of him at an elite level. But to get that respect you have to shadow elite WRs with no help. And or jump routes, and fight for the throw and get the picks. There's a concensus that elite cornerbacks play as if he has as much right to the throw as the receiver. The ravens scheme isn't his fault. He plays his role very very well. It isn't flashy but ravens scheme gets it done. Makes it tough for receivers. And Jimmy smith should be recognized as at least pro bowl caliber for how well he plays his role. But the big plays missing from his game is on him. He needs to play with more edge and confidence jumping routes and going for the interceptions even if it means allowing a couple more completions against him. The great cornerbacks are thought of as simultaneously making big plays while keeping completions to a minimum. If Jimmy takes some chances and makes some plays while keeping completions pretty consistent with his current play. He will be all pro b4 his biggest fans realize he is no longer underrated. It would be interesting to see him shadowing the games elites. Better yet make some big plays, interceptions within his current roles.
 
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JoeyFlex5 said:
Pat Pete doesn't mirror as well as a lot of the other shutdown guys. He's the most freakish athlete, and I wouldn't wanna see joe test him on a jumpball even if we had a monster receiver, but I'll take a lot of elite route runners to give him a hard time, where I have full
Confidence in jimmy to mirror good route runners
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Pat p isnt the beat but he is only cb ive seen that mirrors literally all game. No one else does that, not even rhodes. Rhodes is the best cb right now though hands down
 
Deebo813 said:
Pat p isnt the beat but he is only cb ive seen that mirrors literally all game. No one else does that, not even rhodes. Rhodes is the best cb right now though hands down
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Rhodes has been terrific, but I don't believe that he's been the unquestioned best. It's debatable as to whether he's been the best CB in general. That's just my opinion, however. Take it for what it's worth.
 
PFF, it appears, corrected their error with accrediting Smith with Reshard Matthews long gain on the first play of the game.

On the season, Smith has the lowest passer rating in the NFL allowed at 27.9 and has allowed just 106 yards.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
PFF, it appears, corrected their error with accrediting Smith with Reshard Matthews long gain on the first play of the game.

On the season, Smith has the lowest passer rating in the NFL allowed at 27.9 and has allowed just 106 yards.
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I figured they would. They do make corrections quite often after the initial review.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
PFF, it appears, corrected their error with accrediting Smith with Reshard Matthews long gain on the first play of the game.

On the season, Smith has the lowest passer rating in the NFL allowed at 27.9 and has allowed just 106 yards.
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Those numbers are ridiculous. Absolutely insane. Btw how many targets has he seen to give up those 109 yards? How many yards/target does he give up?
 
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