gtalk12
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Lmaooooooo
Higgins catches a tough ball and he thinks to himself how soft Bateman is
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The Defence, the Offence, and the Tucker
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Lmaooooooo
Higgins catches a tough ball and he thinks to himself how soft Bateman is
Line didnt hold up so Lamar got spooked and it's only fair to mention he missed a ton of wide open WRs, as in he didn't see them. I recall a few to zay including the one where zay was screaming about it
(I don't think this loss is on Lamar)
Eagles are a tough matchup for us but optimism from this game tells me we honestly should have and could blow them out if we saw them again. We are the only team that can beat us
Tucker misses and a Wallace dropped punt and Df missing 3 crucial blocks at right guard will be how our playoff ends
(I don't think this loss is on Lamar)
Eagles are a tough matchup for us but optimism from this game tells me we honestly should have and could blow them out if we saw them again. We are the only team that can beat us
Tucker misses and a Wallace dropped punt and Df missing 3 crucial blocks at right guard will be how our playoff ends
rmcjacket23
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He also said:
1. Unlikely to see a new kicker after the bye
2. Unlikely to see Oline changes after the bye
3. (He didn't say this, but read the tea leaves) Unlikely you'll see Diontae Johnson play another snap as a Raven
4. Marcus Williams likely back as the #3 safety in the future.
I'm not really sure why Diontae Johnson hasn't been used often especially when the offense is facing a defense like the eagles. He's a guy that can beat man coverage quite consistently. He may not be a good blocker though but ideally he should be getting quite a bit of looks in this offense
Sooky
MVP
This is what I saw during the game... The Eagles were constantly winning with 4, and typically had 2 players chasing Lamar. The line struggled even blocking 3 most of the game. We can say "Lamar why didn't you run?", but if they are rushing 4 and winning consistently, there isn't going to be much room to run the ball, and if he does take off it's likely for 5 or less yards and you're putting him at risk of taking hits on low success plays.
D1City55
Pro Bowler
Lamar Jackson is the ONLY guy who the Ravens have paid big money to lately and has met or exceed his value. Everyone else has been a disappointment either due to injuries or poor play on the field. This has made me more appreciative of Lamar honestly. I hate to bring him up in that aspect but that’s been noticeable to me.
OURavensFan
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I mean yea it’s true, when I see how these guys make life easier for Burrow but then Lamar gives Nelson Agholar two dimes and he drops both of them, it’s frustrating. Especially since Lamar will get dragged through the mud now. I would assume sports media is talking about Burrows 3 TOs and his dropped pick six right? Or they’re probably doing the sympathy game for him I bet
Sooky
MVP
Lamar still leads the league in multiple categories but is now 3rd in MVP odds. it's such a joke.
Sounds like it's attitude related, not performance related. He may not even be on the team much longer.
OURavensFan
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Yep, oh well I guess? Hope he finishes with the clear best stats , I mean he probably will, no one is even close to the rushing numbers. I’m starting to feel defeated the way I did after the Denver loss in 2012, thinking last year was our year and now we’re overmatched. The thing is, I don’t think we’re too overmatched holistically since we have Lamar and the king, but our O line certainly is…
We’re gonna go in battle tested and not full on juggernaut 1 seed, let’s see what we can do. I still think we can win it all
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Facts
OURavensFan
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You know what’s the most irritating thing about this. Last year Bills fans were insufferably obnoxious about Allen getting snubbed in their view, but he quite literally just poached a bunch of RB TDs inside the goaline when the opposite happened for Lamar, but also Allen had like 20 turnovers. Lamar has like 33 TD and 3 INTs and probably won’t win it. They can stfu
Tank
Hall of Famer
At this point I don't have a guess who will win MVP, but guess it won't be based on who had the most fantasy points(best stats).
OURavensFan
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It will probably be Josh Allen I guess, but if they lose to the Lions and the Eagles win out, hmm. I actually saw on paper Hurts and Allen have almost identical stats. Gonna be funny when Lamar puts up a prime Aaron Rodgers passing season with his standard 1k rushing. We need a Jackson 5 against the Giants.
Eagles have a much better O line, i think Henry and Jackson are both superior players but they have the worse record and lost the head to head (which of course doesn’t matter with Allen and Lamar)
rmcjacket23
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I mean OK, but like, are they supposed to just roll over and die because Tucker can't kick or because the Oline can't block all-World DTs consistently?
Do you know what great teams do? They overcome. If the defense isn't playing good, guess what Lamar's job is? To score a shit load of points. Did it against Cincinnati. Twice. If the Oline isn't playing well, and the defense is playing good, guess what Lamar's job is? To score enough points to win. Put your team in a position to do so. Hit the throws you're supposed to hit.
And right now, there's no evidence that this team has the ability to win a game where shit ain't going well. We thought the Bengals games were that measuring stick, but turns out they just have like one of the shittiest NFL defenses you'll see in a year.
Geniuses will sit out here and tell you "well we only lose when Henry doesn't get 30 carries" and blah blah blah. Its all meaningless bullshit. They're trying to come up with explanations for something they can't explain. The explanation is that this team rarely puts a good, complete game together. Buffalo was that, and that's the last time we saw one.
When shits not going well for one unit, its 100% of the responsibility of the other units to pick up the slack. If your kicker is missing FGs, score TDs. That's what you're paid to do. You're not paid to get your team in FG range 5 times. And if that unit can't get that done, then the team loses, and nobody gives a fuck about a guy putting up big stats in a loss.
rmcjacket23
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Its a decent point. Marlon Humphrey has lived up to this contract certainly, though. As has Andrews. And I think its a bit premature to sell both the Roquan and Madubuike (who's still been pretty good) stock either.
OURavensFan
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Ultimately the O line lost this game, because we couldn’t score enough TDs and that’s required with our kicker atm
D1City55
Pro Bowler
Marlon signed his extension mid season 2020 after his All Pro season in 2019. He played 12 games in the 2021 season and 10 games in the 2023 season(Secondary was lights out even in his absence). That being said, I'll actually agree here since he's playing elite ball this year and probably getting All Pro honors. Same with Andrews.
Stanley has had similar problems as well, hard to fault him but unfortunately we've had bad luck with guys getting paid and then getting injured like Lardarius Webb, Eugene Monroe, ect, just kinda seems to be a tale of bad luck for Stanley. That said, he's having a great year but I can't say he's lived up to his deal, totally not his fault and he's playing like an All Pro this year so this point is null and void this year.
Mads and Roquon is a bit premature but they both got massive contracts and have taken a considerable step back this year. In terms of Mads, a bulk of his sack numbers have come from one game where he completely dominated(Bengals), but he's had 9 games where he hasn't recorded a sack, and multiple games where he's failed to make a huge impact. I was a bit concerned about giving him a big contract last offseason given how great the secondary was and I just didn't feel like he would replicate those numbers in a defense that was primed to decline.
Roquon has been a complete liability in coverage even though his play vs Pittsburgh and Philly was encouraging. I think his issues are fixable and his play lately has been encouraging. I think once Mads gets more help front the rest of the front four this offseason then I think he can have a better year, but as of right now I'm a bit disappointed in his play. He just hasn't really been all that disruptive this year. I don't really want to get into Marcus Williams, we already know the deal there.
Then you add the bad gambles they made with Faalele, Vorhees, and Mekari, those aren't bust signings but I consider those bust gambles.
gtalk12
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This is a recipe for not winning low scoring games.
Missing field goals at this rate is unacceptable. Especially when going against a front like theirs that will ultimately limit us offensively.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
I don't know why anyone picks a "side" to any of this stuff. It's not one thing. It's literally so many things all at once that make us a team who's quality is accurately reflected by their record.
EDC straight up fucked us on the OL and thank God Roger has exceeded expectations. If he was even at expectation (in year 1) it would be that much worse. EDCs other drafting after RD1 has not been good enough (although better than middle of the pack) to support an elite roster with a Lamar sized cap hit.
Harbs has been situationally pretty bad, TOs pretty bad, challenges pretty bad, refused to give Ben Cleveland a look, has the worst STs in the league and has done nothing but pretend Tucker is normal, asking him to just kick his way out of it.
Monken has never really demonstrated the ability to help us get back on track if there's any deviation from perfection. He does cook though when we stay on schedule. That is when he doesn't get cute, which is at least once or twice a game.
Lamar needs to learn how to consistently throw a 2 yard swing pass. He also needs to use his legs when it's there. He also needs to know that unfortunately, relatively often, even if he makes a Brady caliber throw, his guys will let him down. Agholor with drops. Bateman not being able to bring in contested stuff. Likely misjudgements. Etc. Lamar needs to consider the conservative option sometimes. And he needs to consider Tucker. Take something that gets him 5 yards closer, its a big deal rn, you can't take stupid sacks.
Orr is and was certainly inexperienced, but who would've known that Marcus Williams would legitimately just fuck off completely and mentally check out, crippling our defense for weeks? Maybe we did because Eddie Jackson was a late addition when we already had a lot of guys who could play a S3 role. Turned out. Eddie Jackson while trying was putting out checked out Marcus Williams level play. Crazy.
Throw all that together with us being the most penalized team in the league, incompetent KR/PR, and a kicker who's missed 22 points of offense and you've got the 2024 Ravens. Our record is only as good as it is because we have Lamar. Not much else to it. This is just not that good of a team.
EDC straight up fucked us on the OL and thank God Roger has exceeded expectations. If he was even at expectation (in year 1) it would be that much worse. EDCs other drafting after RD1 has not been good enough (although better than middle of the pack) to support an elite roster with a Lamar sized cap hit.
Harbs has been situationally pretty bad, TOs pretty bad, challenges pretty bad, refused to give Ben Cleveland a look, has the worst STs in the league and has done nothing but pretend Tucker is normal, asking him to just kick his way out of it.
Monken has never really demonstrated the ability to help us get back on track if there's any deviation from perfection. He does cook though when we stay on schedule. That is when he doesn't get cute, which is at least once or twice a game.
Lamar needs to learn how to consistently throw a 2 yard swing pass. He also needs to use his legs when it's there. He also needs to know that unfortunately, relatively often, even if he makes a Brady caliber throw, his guys will let him down. Agholor with drops. Bateman not being able to bring in contested stuff. Likely misjudgements. Etc. Lamar needs to consider the conservative option sometimes. And he needs to consider Tucker. Take something that gets him 5 yards closer, its a big deal rn, you can't take stupid sacks.
Orr is and was certainly inexperienced, but who would've known that Marcus Williams would legitimately just fuck off completely and mentally check out, crippling our defense for weeks? Maybe we did because Eddie Jackson was a late addition when we already had a lot of guys who could play a S3 role. Turned out. Eddie Jackson while trying was putting out checked out Marcus Williams level play. Crazy.
Throw all that together with us being the most penalized team in the league, incompetent KR/PR, and a kicker who's missed 22 points of offense and you've got the 2024 Ravens. Our record is only as good as it is because we have Lamar. Not much else to it. This is just not that good of a team.