Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
Now luckily, I pay zero attention to what the fuck says. Unfortunately, I kept on seeing a video about the Andrews drop. I echo this individual's response to said video. Like ain't no fucking way boi.
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The Running Game, the Turnovers, and the Same Ol’ Ravens
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D1City55
Pro Bowler
If he walks im going to be sick af.
JAAM
Hall of Famer
This is the kinda bullshit that infuriates tf outta me man
the team let him down around him. Notably Mark Andrews. Love you Mark, but you have to perform in the postseason also.
OURavensFan
Ravens Ring of Honor
Why can’t we ever get a fortuitous bounce in these games. The Andrews fumble somehow takes a dead bounce right to the guy who dove to punch it. You’ve got to be kidding me
OURavensFan
Ravens Ring of Honor
If burrow did what Lamar did you’d have everyone saying how stone cold he was to do it without his top two weapons (which of course he’d never do). Instead we have ppl nitpicking Lamar because he wanted to make sure he didn’t lead Andrews out of bounds.
I’ve had to fend off Lamar all day from some of these ppl
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
Now of course they got time to fix the defense, but Lamar just needs to be reminded to claim the Bengals defense as his dependents on his tax return.
JAAM
Hall of Famer
You’re brave. I’ve avoided social media since last night
OURavensFan
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mostly group texts of Bengal fans, and OSU fans now they’re all emboldened too
airconteka
MVP
All I will say is these guys are affecting the quality of your life, allowing them to do so is a choice. Train you brain to ignore them like you have with the hum of a fridge. No one listens to a fridge unless its making noises that deserve your attention.
This mother fucker is gonna get deep over the next few weeks.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
1st and goal from 2 yard line and 2x 2pt conversion and we have 3 points to show for it in a game we lost by 2. With Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson??
We threw 3 passes in these situations. Do or die pass to Mark AFTER what happened earlier?
It is on coaches, 100%.
We threw 3 passes in these situations. Do or die pass to Mark AFTER what happened earlier?
It is on coaches, 100%.
UKRaven1827
Practice Squad
Nah he is right. Lamar should have walked up to Mark and handed him the ball.
Honestly, nothing Lamar will ever do is good enough for these guys. Throw a ball soft in to the chest of a 7 year TE who has scored double digit TDs and it is bad throw. Idiots. Genuine idiots.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
If Lamar is over the playoff hiccups, he doesn’t commit the turnovers. Because those are mistakes he doesn’t make, until he gets in the playoffs, and yeah he did enough at the end to give us a chance and andrews is far more to blame, but without Lamar’s two turnovers the bills might never have a lead
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Not 100% but they definitely share a whole lot of blame for this exact sequence. Shit was dumb as fuck and I was so mad when we had to settle for 3.
Maybe it was a bit low, but it wasn't an astoundingly bad throw or anything. It was waist level and on the body. Mark Andrews got two hands on it very cleanly. It wasn't a tough catch by any stretch of the imagination.
We could really be nitpicky about the timing and the placement, but I think the fact of the matter is Lamar wanted to throw a soft pass that wouldn't be too hard or off target and didn't want to lead Andrews out of bounds due to the momentum of the play. All things considered, that pass was definitely good enough to be caught and it wasn't a particularly tough catch, either.
I genuinely have no idea how Andrews dropped it and trying to place the blame on Lamar is wild to me because that's a ball that was on Andrews body and hit both hands fully, not just like fingertips.
I 100% agree.
The Ravens were down 11 and had two turnovers going into the second half. Under MM or Roman, Lamar and the Ravens continue to spiral and continue to dig into a deeper hole that they never recover from.
Hell, even after the fumble, that was a perfect time for Lamar to unravel.
Instead, Lamar leads four scoring drives and was definitely on pace for a fifth had Andrews not fumbled.
It's a pretty big travesty that the Ravens were on the two and had to settle for a field goal, but Lamar came back from back to back turnovers to hit Bateman for a 42 yard completion.
And as you said, game on the line and Lamar overthrew the first pass, but then hit every single other pass and led the Ravens 88 yards without Bateman or Flowers. And it was 100% a Lamar led drive. Absolute ice in his veins.
I have said so many times, but we can't ignore the turnovers. They weren't good. The fumble ultimately ended up being incredibly costly due to it leading to 7 and ending the first half (off a BS DPI, but I digress.) However, Lamar battled back and was damn near perfect from there on out. He more than made up for the mistakes he made. He showed real growth.
I'm too lazy to dig for the site again, but I saw stats that said the Bills blitzed more than they had all season against the Ravens. They also pressured Lamar on over 60% of his plays.
They actually blitzed more in the second half than in the first half, but the major difference was that the pressure got home half as often.
Lamar actually had a higher YPA and ADOT in the first half by considerable margins, so that probably to a degree explains the higher pressure rate. He was going deep more often and that usually lends itself to holding the ball longer.
I don't know that the Ravens were expecting such a heavy blitz plan from the Bills, but the plan very clearly was blitz heavily and use Romo's secret lover in Matt Milano to be a spy on Lamar if he tries to scramble.
In the first half, Lamar scrambled around 20% of the time, but dropped it to under 7% in the seconr half.
For all those who say they didn't see growth from Lamar or that he has the yips or he tries to be Superman, I point to the above and say bullshit.
Lamar clearly came out of half and settled in. He got the ball out faster, scrambled less, and took what the defense gave him to lead three (should have been four) scoring drives, including the 88 yard should be game tying drive.
Lamar did the OPPOSITE of what some of you like to pretend he does, but can't override narratives. Can't be wrong.
As an aside, had the offensive line played half as well in the first half as they did in the second half and I'm not sure either turnover happens. Both were a direct result of the blitz and pressure forcing mistakes (and an errant snap.)
They actually blitzed more in the second half than in the first half, but the major difference was that the pressure got home half as often.
Lamar actually had a higher YPA and ADOT in the first half by considerable margins, so that probably to a degree explains the higher pressure rate. He was going deep more often and that usually lends itself to holding the ball longer.
I don't know that the Ravens were expecting such a heavy blitz plan from the Bills, but the plan very clearly was blitz heavily and use Romo's secret lover in Matt Milano to be a spy on Lamar if he tries to scramble.
In the first half, Lamar scrambled around 20% of the time, but dropped it to under 7% in the seconr half.
For all those who say they didn't see growth from Lamar or that he has the yips or he tries to be Superman, I point to the above and say bullshit.
Lamar clearly came out of half and settled in. He got the ball out faster, scrambled less, and took what the defense gave him to lead three (should have been four) scoring drives, including the 88 yard should be game tying drive.
Lamar did the OPPOSITE of what some of you like to pretend he does, but can't override narratives. Can't be wrong.
As an aside, had the offensive line played half as well in the first half as they did in the second half and I'm not sure either turnover happens. Both were a direct result of the blitz and pressure forcing mistakes (and an errant snap.)
rmcjacket23
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So this is fine and all, but literally one has nothing to do with the other, and shrugging off compound mistakes never yields improved performance. Lamar doesn't have to fumble just because Andrews dropped a pass. They're not related to each other.
Lamar's is worse because a) you can overcome dropped passes, which we have and did. Dropped passes, in this case, didn't cause a turnover and b) Lamar just literally dropped the ball. Wasn't hit that caused a fumble. Just holding the ball too lose, in one hand, and it slipped.
Lamar's fumble was the single sloppiest, careless play of the game by a gigantic margin. At least Andrews fumble the defense gets credited for the force out and a nice play. Andrews fumble was just more crushing because of when it happened and the impact it had.
rmcjacket23
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Yes, it was. But again... compound mistakes aren't OK. That bad snap didn't make Lamar fumble. He can simply choose not to fumble, via making a different decision.
I see people crucifying Andrews for simply not "going down" when he made the catch on the fumble, which is laughably stupid to me, considering the bread and butter of our passing game is YAC, but whatever. I think its also comical that some people have issues with Andrews trying to get YAC, as a receiver, but don't question why Lamar is trying to scoop up a bad snap and make some kind of play with it, as opposed to diving on the football and taking the loss.
These are all different mistakes that aren't required to happen just because another mistake was made before that.