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2025 Offseason Thread

rossihunter2 said:
i really think that faalele became a complete non-issue last year
i know cole jackson was never keen on him - but what he offers you in pass pro is just hard to give up even for the potential losses in mobility in the run game

and i do expect him to continue to get better in year 2 at the position

vorhees i've never been convinced by - i just think his ceiling is so average, he's got good play-strength but doesn't create movement and falls off blocks/doesn't always maintain leverage - just no stand out traits to hang your hat on:
- marginal athlete - not a weapon in space
- short arms
- good play-strength but no explosive power
- decent interior processing

i just think that he may look fine against no names and randoms but better athletes and players could take advantage of some soft edges and lack of margin for error because of his traits (why i've got so much more time for faalele because his length and power create huge margins for error)

to me vorhees has the profile of a guy who looks like a career backup - a guy who you'd happily sub in for injuries but not someone you want as a consistent starter - i had a day 3 grade on vorhees even before he had that injury at the combine, he's done nothing so far to prove to me that i was wrong to grade him how i did

would be very happy to be proven wrong especially because it doesnt seem like there's a competition here at all
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They've been strangely fixed on giving Vorhees multiple chances and Cleveland no chances since they each arrived.

Maybe Harbaugh just really likes squirrels?
 
QtR Nevermore said:
They've been strangely fixed on giving Vorhees multiple chances and Cleveland no chances since they each arrived.

Maybe Harbaugh just really likes squirrels?
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I think it's been pretty universally conveyed that Cleveland just simply doesn't practice well and his "effort" levels are questionable at times. Lack of consistency with effort is a fantastic way to make sure your playing time is limited, unless you're like elite-skill level. Which he's clearly not.

I do think its interesting how little chatter the fact that the Oline will effectively be the same as it was last year. Feels like it's effectively going to be a red-shirt year for Emery Jones, and certainly don't think Vinson or Delinger are anywhere close to competing for a starting job.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
They've been strangely fixed on giving Vorhees multiple chances and Cleveland no chances since they each arrived.

Maybe Harbaugh just really likes squirrels?
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rmcjacket23 said:
I think it's been pretty universally conveyed that Cleveland just simply doesn't practice well and his "effort" levels are questionable at times. Lack of consistency with effort is a fantastic way to make sure your playing time is limited, unless you're like elite-skill level. Which he's clearly not.

I do think its interesting how little chatter the fact that the Oline will effectively be the same as it was last year. Feels like it's effectively going to be a red-shirt year for Emery Jones, and certainly don't think Vinson or Delinger are anywhere close to competing for a starting job.
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It's the effort. They don't like his habits and they aren't near as bullish on his game tape as the general public. Not that it should be surprising because the college tape always showed it, but they are most frustrated with his inability to finish. They feel like he plays far too passive.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I think it's been pretty universally conveyed that Cleveland just simply doesn't practice well and his "effort" levels are questionable at times. Lack of consistency with effort is a fantastic way to make sure your playing time is limited, unless you're like elite-skill level. Which he's clearly not.

I do think its interesting how little chatter the fact that the Oline will effectively be the same as it was last year. Feels like it's effectively going to be a red-shirt year for Emery Jones, and certainly don't think Vinson or Delinger are anywhere close to competing for a starting job.
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I’m banking on Faleleh taking a huge next step
 
I’ve officially reached the point where I’m so anxious and ready for the season to start, and it’s just not here yet. Still need to suffer 3 pre season games, more joint practices and a week between the end of pre season. I’m strongly considering going to Buffalo for that opener.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i really think that faalele became a complete non-issue last year
i know cole jackson was never keen on him - but what he offers you in pass pro is just hard to give up even for the potential losses in mobility in the run game

and i do expect him to continue to get better in year 2 at the position

vorhees i've never been convinced by - i just think his ceiling is so average, he's got good play-strength but doesn't create movement and falls off blocks/doesn't always maintain leverage - just no stand out traits to hang your hat on:
- marginal athlete - not a weapon in space
- short arms
- good play-strength but no explosive power
- decent interior processing

i just think that he may look fine against no names and randoms but better athletes and players could take advantage of some soft edges and lack of margin for error because of his traits (why i've got so much more time for faalele because his length and power create huge margins for error)

to me vorhees has the profile of a guy who looks like a career backup - a guy who you'd happily sub in for injuries but not someone you want as a consistent starter - i had a day 3 grade on vorhees even before he had that injury at the combine, he's done nothing so far to prove to me that i was wrong to grade him how i did

would be very happy to be proven wrong especially because it doesnt seem like there's a competition here at all
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They both ass.

Bring me Will Hernandez!

Give Emery Jones some deer antler spray!

Let’s fly!
 
Simba said:
It's the effort. They don't like his habits and they aren't near as bullish on his game tape as the general public. Not that it should be surprising because the college tape always showed it, but they are most frustrated with his inability to finish. They feel like he plays far too passive.
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Yeah. I'm not really questioning it anymore. It's now 2 OCs and 2 O Line coaches that have felt the same about Cleveland. They must be seeing something they don't like.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Yeah. I'm not really questioning it anymore. It's now 2 OCs and 2 O Line coaches that have felt the same about Cleveland. They must be seeing something they don't like.
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I think Ben Cleveland works in a traditional offense. I don't think he works in a Lamar, extend the play often type of offense. He struggles looking for work.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I think it's been pretty universally conveyed that Cleveland just simply doesn't practice well and his "effort" levels are questionable at times. Lack of consistency with effort is a fantastic way to make sure your playing time is limited, unless you're like elite-skill level. Which he's clearly not.

I do think its interesting how little chatter the fact that the Oline will effectively be the same as it was last year. Feels like it's effectively going to be a red-shirt year for Emery Jones, and certainly don't think Vinson or Delinger are anywhere close to competing for a starting job.
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I could be wrong but wasn't Vorhees supposed to be a much higher pick but was picked late because of the injury?
 
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