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2025 Offseason Thread

Adreme said:
The more telling stat to me is that they are on something like a 6 game playoff losing streak. That makes them good enough to sneak in but not good enough to beat a real team.
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I don't think people realize how just unbelievably mediocre they've been for a long, long time. I'm not sure there's any other franchise, including the Ravens, that would have kept their HC for as long as PIT has kept Tomlin without being good at football. It's not all his fault, but you got teams that terminate guys like Sean Payton after a bad season because he's perceived to have "not finished in the playoffs" enough, and he's MILES ahead of what Tomlin did over the same period.

Do people realize that Harbaugh and Tomlin have both been to the playoffs the same number of times (12), have the same number of losses (11), the same number of SB rings (1), and yet John has FIVE more wins than Tomlin? The Steelers haven't won a playoff game in since 2016, and they have one division title since 2017.

Since Lamar got here, the Ravens have win 65% of their games Reg+Post. Steelers win 57% Reg+Post.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Them being 9-8 or 10-7 isn't really "competing" in my eyes unless you think they're actually capable of beating the teams in front of them. Which for the last 7-8 years they basically haven't been. Even an average team can find 7-8 wins on their schedule just by beating teams equal or worse than them.
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If we lose lamar, we dont win 7-8 games and thats been proven. Steelers lost big ben and still have yet to go under 500 with below avg roster. It is not easy to 8 games just ask thr browns who actually had decent rosters and still hasnt done it much
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I don't think people realize how just unbelievably mediocre they've been for a long, long time. I'm not sure there's any other franchise, including the Ravens, that would have kept their HC for as long as PIT has kept Tomlin without being good at football. It's not all his fault, but you got teams that terminate guys like Sean Payton after a bad season because he's perceived to have "not finished in the playoffs" enough, and he's MILES ahead of what Tomlin did over the same period.

Do people realize that Harbaugh and Tomlin have both been to the playoffs the same number of times (12), have the same number of losses (11), the same number of SB rings (1), and yet John has FIVE more wins than Tomlin? The Steelers haven't won a playoff game in since 2016, and they have one division title since 2017.

Since Lamar got here, the Ravens have win 65% of their games Reg+Post. Steelers win 57% Reg+Post.
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Everyone knows steelers have been mediocre yet they still compete. 18yrs of never going under 500 is impressive.. even more impressive after the big ben era. Bruh they beat us with micheal vick lol. Kenny pickett was out there winning games with them.. justin fields was like 3-0 as a starter last year. Mitchell turbisky, landry jones. They dont have a sb roster but their team is going out there winning games.
 
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Deebo813 said:
If we lose lamar, we dont win 7-8 games and thats been proven. Steelers lost big ben and still have yet to go under 500 with below avg roster. It is not easy to 8 games just ask thr browns who actually had decent rosters and still hasnt done it much
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Sure it is. Average QB play with a good roster routinely win 8-10 games. Plenty of teams fit that mold.

If you replaced Lamar with an average QB, like an Aaron Rodgers, I'd set the O/U right at about 8 games.

If you replaced him with dogshit, sure, we'd lose a lot more.
 
Deebo813 said:
Everyone knows steelers have been mediocre yet they still compete. 18yrs of never going under 500 is impressive.. even more impressive after the big ben era. Bruh they beat us with micheal vick lol. Kenny pickett was out there winning games with them.. justin fields was like 3-0 as a starter last year. Mitchell turbisky, landry jones. They dont have a sb roster but their team is going out there winning games.
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Right, they're just not winning games against good teams.

You're overrating 9-10 win teams. The gap between a 10 win team and an 8 win team is super, super, super small.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Right, they're just not winning games against good teams.

You're overrating 9-10 win teams. The gap between a 10 win team and an 8 win team is super, super, super small.
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I mean last season they did beat more playoff teams than the bills in the regular season. I dnt think theyre some great team but youre lying to yourself if you think a mike tomlin steeelers team not gonna go out there and compete every game.
 
UPennChem said:
Fuck Tyler Loop lmao. I kid. I kid. But I do 100% think he's not making the team over the other weirdo we got
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Loop is absolutely in the driver's seat here. It's not like Hoyland has been out here hitting them perfectly. He had the same struggles in OTAs and minicamps.
 
Loop went 10/10 today with the longest being a 63 yarder with room to spare
 
Simba said:
Loop is absolutely in the driver's seat here. It's not like Hoyland has been out here hitting them perfectly. He had the same struggles in OTAs and minicamps.
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Really? I have been paying far less attention this offseason than I normally would because im way too busy. But what I remember seeing was that Hoyland was doing much better.
 
Adreme said:
I mean if the Ravens are 3-3 in the division they are almost certainly the 3 seed. With the rest of the schedule, 4-2 is the minimum, ideally 5-1, to be competitive for the 1 seed.
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Or, the AFCe and AFCW show some god damn pride and bludgeon up the chiefs and bills too. come to think of it the Texans have a cake walk too. God damn it
 
UPennChem said:
Really? I have been paying far less attention this offseason than I normally would because im way too busy. But what I remember seeing was that Hoyland was doing much better.
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Yeah Hoyland had a 3/6 day back in minicamps, which is far worse than the day Loop struggled. People are just more up in arms about Loop because he was a draft pick. Hoyland certainly has a shot but it would take Loop royally shitting the bed or Hoyland just not missing.
 
Deebo813 said:
Everyone knows steelers have been mediocre yet they still compete. 18yrs of never going under 500 is impressive.. even more impressive after the big ben era. Bruh they beat us with micheal vick lol. Kenny pickett was out there winning games with them.. justin fields was like 3-0 as a starter last year. Mitchell turbisky, landry jones. They dont have a sb roster but their team is going out there winning games.
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I wish them 9-8 for next 100 years.
 
Has anyone heard details on how Kyle Hamilton is being used so far in camp?

I would think he and starks are playing more traditional safety roles, rather than Hamilton playing mostly nickel like he was in 2023. Can’t really see any other way to play our personnel.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Has anyone heard details on how Kyle Hamilton is being used so far in camp?

I would think he and starks are playing more traditional safety roles, rather than Hamilton playing mostly nickel like he was in 2023. Can’t really see any other way to play our personnel.
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it's possible that with starks they can play more single high which allows you to get kyle into the nickel or closer to the LoS even with only 2 safeties

also a bunch of the CB rotation (awuzie, armour-davis etc.) have been cross-training at safety this offseason and im guessing that's to allow us to move kyle around in nickel and dime
 
Deebo813 said:
I mean last season they did beat more playoff teams than the bills in the regular season. I dnt think theyre some great team but youre lying to yourself if you think a mike tomlin steeelers team not gonna go out there and compete every game.
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lol nobody cares if they "compete" or not. There's a shit load of unemployed coaches who were really, really, really good at "competing", which is code for "we lose a lot of close games".

If you want to be 9-8 and compete in every game, Mike Tomlin is your guy. Just depends on what ambition you have as a franchise.
 
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