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Didn't Tandon Doss have good hands and route running? Real easy to look at a finished product and assume that everything goes the exact same on another team. So I'm just assuming you think AB would have flourished here too?
Tandon doss loved to run the wrong route and be in the wrong place. He was not a great route runner, he had good quick feet and could make some tough catches, but he was not a great route runner, and reportedly wasn’t too interested in the playbook. Michael Thomas had nfl level refinement in college and was way more savvy and physical than doss ever was. Doss was a mid round flyer hoping the guy could get his head into a playbook and bust his ass and develop.

And no, AB wouldn’t have developed here because he needed development and growth and we can’t do that to save our lives. Thomas was already refined.

Just stop with this, Michael Thomas was an excellent prospect, tandon doss was a long shot, are you really trying to make this comparison?
 
My point was he might maintain a certain level of play but I doubt he turns into what were seeing now. People can come in with a skill set that should translate and it doesn't. Just feels funny you're trying to brush aside the other stuff like it has no impact.
 
My point was he might maintain a certain level of play but I doubt he turns into what were seeing now. People can come in with a skill set that should translate and it doesn't. Just feels funny you're trying to brush aside the other stuff like it has no impact.
No shit he’s not gonna put up the same numbers, it’s the all time passing yardage leader throwing to him, still would be probably the best wr to ever play for the ravens if we had drafted him and the best one on the team right now
 
I think he'd be better than anybody we had but definitely not at the level he reached in NO. You just cannot overlook the fact that he caught 93.9% of the passes thrown by the most accurate QB in NFL history in plays called by one of the best offensive minds in the NFL.
Prior to Thomas arrival in NO, Brees/Peyton have never sent a WR to the Pro Bowl. So if it's scheme or anything of that nature then how come Thomas is the best receiver to ever catch passes from Brees? Brees and Peyton are great, but Thomas has a lot to do with his own success.
 
Scheme, coaches and qb play. None of ours match what they have in NO and he also plays in a dome at least 9 games out the year.

There's no telling how he develops on our team.
Scheme, coaches, and QB play has not stopped us from having Torrey become the 1st WR the Ravens ever drafted to hit the 1,000 yard mark. It didn't stop Aiken from hitting 900 yards and it surely didn't stop Pitta from becoming a 2x Pro Bowl alternate. It didn't stop Mike Wallace from going over 1700 yards in 2 seasons after getting cut from Minnesota.

People are speaking towards his development, but let's be honest, the guys we drafted just weren't good and even if we didn't draft them in the 1st we hardly picked them early. It's hard to hit on a receiver when you either don't pick when or wait till the end of the midrounds to pick one. You're chances of getting a stud there drops the longer you wait.
 
Prior to Thomas arrival in NO, Brees/Peyton have never sent a WR to the Pro Bowl. So if it's scheme or anything of that nature then how come Thomas is the best receiver to ever catch passes from Brees? Brees and Peyton are great, but Thomas has a lot to do with his own success.
Colston and Jimmy Graham were both killing with the Saints.
 
Colston and Jimmy Graham were both killing with the Saints.
Colston had some really good years but Thomas is on pace to easily eclipse his numbers. Jimmy Graham had some elite years but I still think he's a good TE and he had a good career with Seattle, injuries just effected him.

Outside of those two players, it's hard to name a receiver with much relevence in Brees/Peyton era.
 
No shit he’s not gonna put up the same numbers, it’s the all time passing yardage leader throwing to him, still would be probably the best wr to ever play for the ravens if we had drafted him and the best one on the team right now
I think he would put up big numbers here and would definitely be the best receiver to play for the Ravens.
 
Colston had some really good years but Thomas is on pace to easily eclipse his numbers. Jimmy Graham had some elite years but I still think he's a good TE and he had a good career with Seattle, injuries just effected him.

Outside of those two players, it's hard to name a receiver with much relevence in Brees/Peyton era.

Cooks, Bush, Moore , sproles, stills, kamara ?
 
Cooks, Bush, Moore , sproles, stills, kamara ?
Bush was a RB, as was Sproles, as is Kamara so those three really don't count since all three do much more than the receiving, Stills is a good player but is purely a deep threat, Lance Moore was a good NFL WR but nothing special. Cooks is a really good player but Thomas is simply better. Cooks is the only name with any real weight here.
 
Cooks, Bush, Moore , sproles, stills, kamara ?
So we're considering RB's as receivers now? I can't give Kamara and Bush that nod.

Cooks was a receiver picked in the first round at 20 and is pretty good right now as he's the 6th leading WR in receiving yards in the NFL with pretty much 4 games played. It was a supremely talented receiver class so it's no suprise he went 20, had he entered the draft in 2015 then he probably would have gone into the top 10. I totally forgot about him as he's worth mentioning, but his run in Nola lasted 3 seasons.

Kenny Stills is a good receiver, but his best years are in his 2016-2017 seasons with the Dolphins.

As Lost also said, Moore wasn't special in New Orleans outside of that one year where he hit 1000 yards, but he's just another receiver to me.

I really did forget about Stills and Moore but that's because they're forgetable.
 
Also, Snead is a guy who's coming from New Orleans after an abysmal season where he recorded 92 yards. If he's coming from a season as bad as that and comes here to eclipse well beyond that while becoming an effective player as well as an X-factor, then what does that say about the arguement that we can't produce effective receivers?

Also, last time I checked, Alshon Jeffery was drafted in the 2nd round and came into a Bears offense that's similar to our in terms of it's inconsistencies and ineptitude with Jay Cutler as his QB and had no issues with producing. Same thing applies to even Allen Robinson who was even in an more dreadful situation in terms of offense/QB than Cutler's.

Good receivers who can win at the LOS, run routes, and make plays can succeed anywhere. This is probably a pointless arguement but I'm tired of the narrative that we can't have young talent at the skill position because of QB/coaching rather then blaming the FO for not taking a chance on talent when it's there. The QB/coaching take on why we've never had talent at skill positions is kind of dull to me and around the league it's proven that's not the case.
 
I can’t be the only one who has noticed we have lost every single coin toss this year yea? That’s actually fucking insane. Not only the game openers but we lost in overtime also like holy shit what?? There’s less than a 2% chance of you losing 6 straight coin tosses
 
So we're considering RB's as receivers now? I can't give Kamara and Bush that nod.

Cooks was a receiver picked in the first round at 20 and is pretty good right now as he's the 6th leading WR in receiving yards in the NFL with pretty much 4 games played. It was a supremely talented receiver class so it's no suprise he went 20, had he entered the draft in 2015 then he probably would have gone into the top 10. I totally forgot about him as he's worth mentioning, but his run in Nola lasted 3 seasons.

Kenny Stills is a good receiver, but his best years are in his 2016-2017 seasons with the Dolphins.

As Lost also said, Moore wasn't special in New Orleans outside of that one year where he hit 1000 yards, but he's just another receiver to me.

I really did forget about Stills and Moore but that's because they're forgetable.

When you talk about receivers then yes you should count rbs as well.
Some rbs are better receivers then those who play WR or TE.

Bush and Sproles in particular where better known for their receiving rather then their rushing ability.

Either could split out wide and run better routes then pretty much any WR in ravens history except a selected few for instance.

Guys like Bell or David Johnson are pretty darn good receivers who dont have to line up in the back field to catch a ball.
Danny Woodhead was a much better receiving then he was a runner and had little issue motioning out of the back field to out wide and beat his man with proper route running.
Dude was argubally the best route runner we had last season....

Moore wasent that special true but aint it sad that his production as a non starter was pretty much on pair with our starters lol
Thats kinda special or sad or pathetic or whatever.......
 
When you talk about receivers then yes you should count rbs as well.
Some rbs are better receivers then those who play WR or TE.

Bush and Sproles in particular where better known for their receiving rather then their rushing ability.

Either could split out wide and run better routes then pretty much any WR in ravens history except a selected few for instance.

Guys like Bell or David Johnson are pretty darn good receivers who dont have to line up in the back field to catch a ball.
Danny Woodhead was a much better receiving then he was a runner and had little issue motioning out of the back field to out wide and beat his man with proper route running.
Dude was argubally the best route runner we had last season....

Moore wasent that special true but aint it sad that his production as a non starter was pretty much on pair with our starters lol
Thats kinda special or sad or pathetic or whatever.......
So we can consider Ray Rice a receiver too then right? He crossed the 700 yard mark in receiving twice something Reggie Bush only did once in New Orleans. In fact, during their tenures side by side Ray Rice has more receiving yardage then Reggie Bush. 2,714 to 2,142.
Buck Allen himself could potentially eclipse 500 yards receieving, and has been an impact player in the passing game. I think the Ravens have proved that they can have RBs out of the backfield that can make an impact in the passing game.

As far as Darren Sproles goes, that's nothing new for him. He was an impact player in the passing game out of the backfield in San Diego as well. All New Orleans did was feature him more in the passing game with more targets and receptions.

If we're also going to use Kamara as an arguement for this, then would you legit say that he can split out wide and beat top flight CBs? Of course not because that's not how the Saints feature Kamara. Kamara is being featured more as a passing threat who beats LBs and safeties. You're never going to see Kamara run a deep post, corner or hitch route. If Kamara is a receiver then why isn't he asked to run the full route tree that a receiver is asked to run? Also, pretty sure once Ingram hits FA, then Kamara is going to be their feature back in the same sense that Ray Rice was for us.

A guy like Kamara, Bell, Johnson, Sproles, or Bush reason why they're on the field catching passes out the backfield or in the slot is to be matched up against a linebacker. That's their bread and butter. They're not going to be asked to run the WR route tree against NFL CBs, that's never expected of them because they don't have much of a chance of success in that aspect. A RB is in the backfield and splits out in the slot to expose their match up against an LB, not a CB.
 
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