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So we can consider Ray Rice a receiver too then right? He crossed the 700 yard mark in receiving twice something Reggie Bush only did once in New Orleans. In fact, during their tenures side by side Ray Rice has more receiving yardage then Reggie Bush. 2,714 to 2,142.
Buck Allen himself could potentially eclipse 500 yards receieving, and has been an impact player in the passing game. I think the Ravens have proved that they can have RBs out of the backfield that can make an impact in the passing game.

As far as Darren Sproles goes, that's nothing new for him. He was an impact player in the passing game out of the backfield in San Diego as well. All New Orleans did was feature him more in the passing game with more targets and receptions.

If we're also going to use Kamara as an arguement for this, then would you legit say that he can split out wide and beat top flight CBs? Of course not because that's not how the Saints feature Kamara. Kamara is being featured more as a passing threat who beats LBs and safeties. You're never going to see Kamara run a deep post, corner or hitch route. If Kamara is a receiver then why isn't he asked to run the full route tree that a receiver is asked to run? Also, pretty sure once Ingram hits FA, then Kamara is going to be their feature back in the same sense that Ray Rice was for us.

A guy like Kamara, Bell, Johnson, Sproles, or Bush reason why they're on the field catching passes out the backfield or in the slot is to be matched up against a linebacker. That's their bread and butter. They're not going to be asked to run the WR route tree against NFL CBs, that's never expected of them because they don't have much of a chance of success in that aspect. A RB is in the backfield and splits out in the slot to expose their match up against an LB, not a CB.
Several things.

Yes Ray Rice was a receiver. Tight Ends are receivers and so are lots of running backs. If they’re a weapon in the passing attack it’s stupid to not include them.

Rarely can a RB beat a top flight CB and no one said they do and that is completely irrelevant.

Kamara is absolutely not going to be the feature back. That’s not who he is. If the Saints are smart they’ll bring back Engram. If they don’t, they’ll bring in another back to compliment Kamara.

Your whole post is a bunch of irrelevant nonsense honestly. Since they don’t line up against CBs they’re not receivers. Give me a break.
 
Several things.

Yes Ray Rice was a receiver. Tight Ends are receivers and so are lots of running backs. If they’re a weapon in the passing attack it’s stupid to not include them.

Rarely can a RB beat a top flight CB and no one said they do and that is completely irrelevant.

Kamara is absolutely not going to be the feature back. That’s not who he is. If the Saints are smart they’ll bring back Engram. If they don’t, they’ll bring in another back to compliment Kamara.

Your whole post is a bunch of irrelevant nonsense honestly. Since they don’t line up against CBs they’re not receivers. Give me a break.
The entire post is irrelevant as it was already proved that good receivers aren't determined by their QBs, but their stats can be. Reggie Wayne had all pro traits without Peyton Manning, but Peyton Manning helped inflate the stats so much that he's likely a deserving hall of famer. There are instances where receivers can make the QB(see Andy Dalton and Matt Schaub) look a hell of a lot better but that's not the point either.

This entire argument is stupid. Thomas is a super talented receiver and would thrive anywhere. His stats likely wouldn't be as good here, but he'd still be a #1 threat
 
Several things.

Yes Ray Rice was a receiver. Tight Ends are receivers and so are lots of running backs. If they’re a weapon in the passing attack it’s stupid to not include them.

Rarely can a RB beat a top flight CB and no one said they do and that is completely irrelevant.

Kamara is absolutely not going to be the feature back. That’s not who he is. If the Saints are smart they’ll bring back Engram. If they don’t, they’ll bring in another back to compliment Kamara.

Your whole post is a bunch of irrelevant nonsense honestly. Since they don’t line up against CBs they’re not receivers. Give me a break.
Lol are you serious right now?

This arguement falls flat on it's face because figuratively, anyone who is eligable to catch passes are recievers. That includes FB's, TEs and yes the OL. The Patriots were aided by deception tactics of offensive linemen catching passes in the 2015 postseason on their way to the SB by using this method, but does that made OL eligable as Wide Recievers now?

The point of the conversation that me and Tru are having is not to determaine mainly if the RB's are recievers in the same context as wide recievers, it's whether or not Michael Thomas would have success here as he does in New Orleans. He brought up Bush success almost as a wide receiver and I brought up Rice name in the same context in because the Ravens have had a weapon such as Bush in their backfield in the past.

No one is denying that an RB can catch passes, but he brought up Kamara and Bush in the same context as a WR when they're not even close in terms of the routes they are asked to run and the assignment they're asked to go against. We're asking for WR's who are memorable in the Saints offense and he brought up Bush and Kamara, that's the point of the conversation.

It's not whether or not they're recievers, it's a matter of the context that they were put in which is why I mentioned an RB beating a CB, but you must have misunderstood.

It might be better to keep up with the dialogue rather then reading one post.
 
The entire post is irrelevant as it was already proved that good receivers aren't determined by their QBs, but their stats can be. Reggie Wayne had all pro traits without Peyton Manning, but Peyton Manning helped inflate the stats so much that he's likely a deserving hall of famer. There are instances where receivers can make the QB(see Andy Dalton and Matt Schaub) look a hell of a lot better but that's not the point either.

This entire argument is stupid. Thomas is a super talented receiver and would thrive anywhere. His stats likely wouldn't be as good here, but he'd still be a #1 threat
Some people are making it seem like he would be completely irrelevent here. Also, there's plenty of times where Joe and this team have been able to allow receivers to thrive. Torrey hasn't had close to the type of production elsewhere that he was able to enjoy here. We pretty much saved Mike Wallace's career and Smtih Sr. showed that he was a top #1 WR here even in the latter stage of his career.

It's really never been proven that we can't take a talented receiver and get the most out of him. It's hard to develop WRs when you're taking them in the 4th and 5th round year after year.
 
Some people are making it seem like he would be completely irrelevent here. Also, there's plenty of times where Joe and this team have been able to allow receivers to thrive. Torrey hasn't had close to the type of production elsewhere that he was able to enjoy here. We pretty much saved Mike Wallace's career and Smtih Sr. showed that he was a top #1 WR here even in the latter stage of his career.

It's really never been proven that we can't take a talented receiver and get the most out of him. It's hard to develop WRs when you're taking them in the 4th and 5th round year after year.
Yup, our only real FA busts at WR are TJ Housh and Jeremy Maclin. We do good usually. No one is perfect but still. Crabtree is still TBD.

As for your later point... Yup. For every Antonio Brown there's a million David Reed's.
 
Yup, our only real FA busts at WR are TJ Housh and Jeremy Maclin. We do good usually. No one is perfect but still. Crabtree is still TBD.

As for your later point... Yup. For every Antonio Brown there's a million David Reed's.
Maclin had more to do with injuries had he stayed healthy he would have amounted to much more. Housh was definitely a bust.
 
Maclin had more to do with injuries had he stayed healthy he would have amounted to much more. Housh was definitely a bust.
Even with the inuries it did seem though that Maclin just checked out and didn’t care, his mind wasn’t on football. I think it was at the end of the Christmas game against Pburgh when he made a crucial catch at the sideline with plenty of room only to step out of bounds to kill the catch. Then a couple plays later he lays on the ground like he’s hurt, forces us to call our last time out then immediately jumps up and walks off the field. I could have gone through the TV and strangled that f***. lol
Pretty telling that he’s healthy, home on the couch watching games.
 
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I might have made the wrong word choice but some people who have responded to me have either questioned his development here or don't think he would've been an impact player. You can look at the previous posts to see that.
I do question his hypothetical development in Baltimore had he been drafted by Ozzie.
And I repeat - there is no way he reaches these levels without Brees and Payton (and I'm not talking stats only).
He'd still be good and definitely the best we ever had. Just not at his current level.
 
So we can consider Ray Rice a receiver too then right? He crossed the 700 yard mark in receiving twice something Reggie Bush only did once in New Orleans. In fact, during their tenures side by side Ray Rice has more receiving yardage then Reggie Bush. 2,714 to 2,142.
Buck Allen himself could potentially eclipse 500 yards receieving, and has been an impact player in the passing game. I think the Ravens have proved that they can have RBs out of the backfield that can make an impact in the passing game.

As far as Darren Sproles goes, that's nothing new for him. He was an impact player in the passing game out of the backfield in San Diego as well. All New Orleans did was feature him more in the passing game with more targets and receptions.

If we're also going to use Kamara as an arguement for this, then would you legit say that he can split out wide and beat top flight CBs? Of course not because that's not how the Saints feature Kamara. Kamara is being featured more as a passing threat who beats LBs and safeties. You're never going to see Kamara run a deep post, corner or hitch route. If Kamara is a receiver then why isn't he asked to run the full route tree that a receiver is asked to run? Also, pretty sure once Ingram hits FA, then Kamara is going to be their feature back in the same sense that Ray Rice was for us.

A guy like Kamara, Bell, Johnson, Sproles, or Bush reason why they're on the field catching passes out the backfield or in the slot is to be matched up against a linebacker. That's their bread and butter. They're not going to be asked to run the WR route tree against NFL CBs, that's never expected of them because they don't have much of a chance of success in that aspect. A RB is in the backfield and splits out in the slot to expose their match up against an LB, not a CB.

According to your logic TEs are not receivers either since they are not being asked to run the WR route tree against NFL CBs.

Heck some WRs only run 1 or 2 routes so they should not count as receivers either as anyone can run in a straight line....

Ray Rice certainly was a receiver.
1 of the top if not the top dual threat running back in the league at a certain time in his career.
 
Lol are you serious right now?

This arguement falls flat on it's face because figuratively, anyone who is eligable to catch passes are recievers. That includes FB's, TEs and yes the OL. The Patriots were aided by deception tactics of offensive linemen catching passes in the 2015 postseason on their way to the SB by using this method, but does that made OL eligable as Wide Recievers now?

The point of the conversation that me and Tru are having is not to determaine mainly if the RB's are recievers in the same context as wide recievers, it's whether or not Michael Thomas would have success here as he does in New Orleans. He brought up Bush success almost as a wide receiver and I brought up Rice name in the same context in because the Ravens have had a weapon such as Bush in their backfield in the past.

No one is denying that an RB can catch passes, but he brought up Kamara and Bush in the same context as a WR when they're not even close in terms of the routes they are asked to run and the assignment they're asked to go against. We're asking for WR's who are memorable in the Saints offense and he brought up Bush and Kamara, that's the point of the conversation.

It's not whether or not they're recievers, it's a matter of the context that they were put in which is why I mentioned an RB beating a CB, but you must have misunderstood.

It might be better to keep up with the dialogue rather then reading one post.

i wasent the one you where having that conversation with dude wtf are you smoking.

i simply provided you some names of receivers you might have overlooked that is all.
nothing more and nothing less.
 
i wasent the one you where having that conversation with dude wtf are you smoking.

i simply provided you some names of receivers you might have overlooked that is all.
nothing more and nothing less.
Excuse me what are you smoking? Did you not say, "Either could split out wide and run better routes then pretty much any WR in ravens history except a selected few for instance."

Not only was this statement a joke because none of the RBs you listed have ever proven that they can split out wide and run a full route tree, but you literally put the two in the same context and are now acting like you never did.
 
According to your logic TEs are not receivers either since they are not being asked to run the WR route tree against NFL CBs.

Heck some WRs only run 1 or 2 routes so they should not count as receivers either as anyone can run in a straight line....

Ray Rice certainly was a receiver.
1 of the top if not the top dual threat running back in the league at a certain time in his career.
No, that's not the case because if you have been following the conversation I never denied Jimmy Graham being a product of Brees and Peyton.

I acknowledge that anyone can be a receiver, we're talking about the context you are putting Bush and Kamara in. You literally said they themselves can split out wide and run better routes then any Ravens WR's except for a "Select Few". If that's the case, hypothetically, Kamara would have no issue going from RB to WR if the Saints asked him to correct?

Look, this is not even where I was going with this. I asked for the names of the recievers in the Brees/Peyton era and you brought up 3 RBs. The point of it was to pretty much say that Brees/Payton influence on Thomas is a bit overblown and that he would still be a stud here. Bush might have been more known for his receiving abilities, but is that what they mainly drafted him for? There's a reason why he didn't last a very long time with the Saints.
 
Several things.

Yes Ray Rice was a receiver. Tight Ends are receivers and so are lots of running backs. If they’re a weapon in the passing attack it’s stupid to not include them.

Rarely can a RB beat a top flight CB and no one said they do and that is completely irrelevant.

Kamara is absolutely not going to be the feature back. That’s not who he is. If the Saints are smart they’ll bring back Engram. If they don’t, they’ll bring in another back to compliment Kamara.

Your whole post is a bunch of irrelevant nonsense honestly. Since they don’t line up against CBs they’re not receivers. Give me a break.
Saints can fuck off for not featuring kamara, he went from 20+ points a week to 4. All that scoring obviously means he’s doing something right!
 
No, that's not the case because if you have been following the conversation I never denied Jimmy Graham being a product of Brees and Peyton.

I acknowledge that anyone can be a receiver, we're talking about the context you are putting Bush and Kamara in. You literally said they themselves can split out wide and run better routes then any Ravens WR's except for a "Select Few". If that's the case, hypothetically, Kamara would have no issue going from RB to WR if the Saints asked him to correct?

Look, this is not even where I was going with this. I asked for the names of the recievers in the Brees/Peyton era and you brought up 3 RBs. The point of it was to pretty much say that Brees/Payton influence on Thomas is a bit overblown and that he would still be a stud here. Bush might have been more known for his receiving abilities, but is that what they mainly drafted him for? There's a reason why he didn't last a very long time with the Saints.

I havent been following that discussion.

Im glad that you finally acknowledge that anyone can be a receiver.
Its the reason why i listed them in the first place.

Good luck with the other discussion
 
I'd like to say that while Sakura hasn't been great, he hasn't single handedly lost us games like how some people constantly proclaimed.
 
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