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The Good, the Bad, and The Wind

purp

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Brutal loss. Looked like there was a controller in that football at the end.

Marty definitely outsmarted himself but I’m looking at Roman. He’s the CEO of the offensive front/run game from a design perspective and his blocking schemes rely way too much on the tight ends. On the sack you saw it coming. Why the hell are we asking Nick Boyle to block DEs 1-on-1? Every time we have bad run to the outside (often) it’s because a tight end missed a block. Our TEs are good blockers but they’re no match for average and above defensive linemen. Once we’re back healthy on the O-line I want to see more jumbo packages with Orlando Brown to get the run game going.

Very disappointed in the play where Hurst waited on the ball instead of attacking it in the air. He’ll learn but that was a bummer. Mark Andrews is much farther along than Hayden and that’s a tough pill to swallow.

All that said, I didn’t expect us to win this game and a one point loss to the Saints coming off a BYE is nothing to hang your head about. My concern about this team is that we don’t have a transcendent player on either side of the ball. We have a ton of high quality talent and above average coaching, but we don’t have a single player that can take over a game. If I’m Newsome/DeCosta, I’m having a serious think about trading Alex Collins and a pick for LeSean McCoy or David Johnson.
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
The Saints are by far the best and most complete team we face this season, and we lost only because of a missed xp. Yeah, we need to fix up some things, but I'm not in panic mode. Win next week and we're 5-3 at the halfway mark, which is pretty good. If we play like we did against the Saints we can string together five wins over the next five weeks (Panthers, home against Bengals and Steelers, Raiders, and Falcons).
That’s how I see it. If we win next week we are 5-3 and that’s a great record to be at when you’re halfway through the season. If we could afford to lose a game, it’s to an NFC opponent. At least the Saints are a good team and we played them tight. You know Payton and Brees wanted this win bad.
 

purp

Practice Squad
That’s how I see it. If we win next week we are 5-3 and that’s a great record to be at when you’re halfway through the season. If we could afford to lose a game, it’s to an NFC opponent. At least the Saints are a good team and we played them tight. You know Payton and Brees wanted this win bad.

It’s a bummer because it was a very winnable game if you get anything going on the ground. The defense did their job. We have to find a way to get 150+ yards on the ground per game if we’re going to reach our goals. That’s the achilles heel of this team right now.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
It’s a bummer because it was a very winnable game if you get anything going on the ground. The defense did their job. We have to find a way to get 150+ yards on the ground per game if we’re going to reach our goals. That’s the achilles heel of this team right now.
Definitely agree, but I’m not sure we are equipped well enough on the line to sustain a decent run game, or to consistently protect Flacco.
 

RavensMania

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Brutal loss. Looked like there was a controller in that football at the end.

Marty definitely outsmarted himself but I’m looking at Roman. He’s the CEO of the offensive front/run game from a design perspective and his blocking schemes rely way too much on the tight ends. On the sack you saw it coming. Why the hell are we asking Nick Boyle to block DEs 1-on-1? Every time we have bad run to the outside (often) it’s because a tight end missed a block. Our TEs are good blockers but they’re no match for average and above defensive linemen. Once we’re back healthy on the O-line I want to see more jumbo packages with Orlando Brown to get the run game going.

Very disappointed in the play where Hurst waited on the ball instead of attacking it in the air. He’ll learn but that was a bummer. Mark Andrews is much farther along than Hayden and that’s a tough pill to swallow.

All that said, I didn’t expect us to win this game and a one point loss to the Saints coming off a BYE is nothing to hang your head about. My concern about this team is that we don’t have a transcendent player on either side of the ball. We have a ton of high quality talent and above average coaching, but we don’t have a single player that can take over a game. If I’m Newsome/DeCosta, I’m having a serious think about trading Alex Collins and a pick for LeSean McCoy or David Johnson.
McCoy is pretty much done and David Johnson would be great but why would the Cardinals trade their best young player.
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
Thinking on this game, the Ravens offense really wasn’t good except for that final drive. If it wasn’t for that we had no chance to win and part of that is Joe just not having a good game. Joe took a devastating sack where he went back ridiculously far and lost a nice chunk of yardage. It also looked like a lot of guys were dropping the ball and Joe also had ANOTHER pass batted down right in front of him and nearly intercepted. I almost forgot about that.

Snead should’ve caught that one pass and I was shocked he dropped it. I guess that was a harbinger of things to come. Jimmy didn’t play well but he is coming off an injury and suspension so I’ll give him a break but he needs to improve. We definitely missed Humphrey and I think Hurst as well because it sucked how Bozeman kept leaving the game with some injury. Overall, this is definitely on Tucker and the offense more than the defense because I think the defense did their part.
 

RaineV1

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Did anyone pay attention to the guard that was coming into the game whenever Bozeman cramped up? He seemed to hold up well, but I wasn't keeping a close eye on him.
 
Thinking on this game, the Ravens offense really wasn’t good except for that final drive. If it wasn’t for that we had no chance to win and part of that is Joe just not having a good game. Joe took a devastating sack where he went back ridiculously far and lost a nice chunk of yardage. It also looked like a lot of guys were dropping the ball and Joe also had ANOTHER pass batted down right in front of him and nearly intercepted. I almost forgot about that.

Snead should’ve caught that one pass and I was shocked he dropped it. I guess that was a harbinger of things to come. Jimmy didn’t play well but he is coming off an injury and suspension so I’ll give him a break but he needs to improve. We definitely missed Humphrey and I think Hurst as well because it sucked how Bozeman kept leaving the game with some injury. Overall, this is definitely on Tucker and the offense more than the defense because I think the defense did their part.
Honestly, I agree with Preston's take on this game. I think Joe played a damn good game. I think Joe had a few poor plays, but he showed patience and waited for plays to develope. He also made some big throws in the game that put us in the position to nearly take this one. I think the bigger problem were the drop balls, the Snead drop was huge and he was WIDE open so the drop was completely inexcusible. The OL was a patch work group overall as well without Hurst and Lewis and aren't built to withstand having their depth tested like the defense. I think they were decent considering that Joe got sacked once.

I don't know how to feel about the defense performance, they definitely didn't blow this game, but they could have been better. I felt like there was one more play they could have made at times plenty of times during the game that would've given us the advantage and ultimately the win. One thing is for certain, the Marlon loss hurt, and it hurt bad. Hopefully he returns this week because they did not hesitate going after Jimmy.
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
If Jimmy's body is indeed breaking down cutting him next offseason would be benficial to the team in the long run. It turns corner into a need(again), but I think in the modern NFL Eric should continue our trend of drafting at least one anyways. Marlon and Tavon look like the future of the position for the team, and Jimmy would be leaving it in good hands. Plus, Averett looks to be a quality player as well. You could use that money to go sign a big name FA (maybe at safety to replace Weddle), or resign our guys.

Let's give him until the end of the season though.
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
McCoy is pretty much done and David Johnson would be great but why would the Cardinals trade their best young player.
Especially after he just got PAID. Though what they are doing to him is criminal. Here's hoping that in the Jags losing streak they're dumb enough to give us Fournette who's a dream fit in this scheme and who's proven that he can play at a high level with a bad oline.

I'm actually satisfied with how good the rookie olinemen looked. Between the tackles runs should've been called more, Bozeman did a solid job in that regard. I like Collins and Buck but we need another guy. But no one will likely trade anything. I'd like Harris but another CB might be in play.
 

arnie_uk

Veteran
The thing with joe and the wrs on that second to final drive mainly. Hurst dropped 1 and two others were dropped. This was the same throw against denver that imo won us the game in the mile high miracle. He hit pitta perfect.

Flacco missed the 3 throws a bit but i 100 percent expect the hurst one to be caught poor throw or not. The other two may have been caught by someone taller than snead. The 4th down one flacco had to avoid a pass rusher after about 2 seconds and never really got set as he threw the ball.
 
The thing with joe and the wrs on that second to final drive mainly. Hurst dropped 1 and two others were dropped. This was the same throw against denver that imo won us the game in the mile high miracle. He hit pitta perfect.

Flacco missed the 3 throws a bit but i 100 percent expect the hurst one to be caught poor throw or not. The other two may have been caught by someone taller than snead. The 4th down one flacco had to avoid a pass rusher after about 2 seconds and never really got set as he threw the ball.
It's a tough play, but I felt like Hurst had a poor reaction to the pass, maybe he expect Joe to razor the ball to him but I don't think he really executed well there as his timing seemed a bit off. I felt like he didn't catch the ball cleanly but I might have to take another look. That was my first impression of the play personally.
 

DeVito52

Ravens Ring of Honor
The thing with joe and the wrs on that second to final drive mainly. Hurst dropped 1 and two others were dropped. This was the same throw against denver that imo won us the game in the mile high miracle. He hit pitta perfect.

Flacco missed the 3 throws a bit but i 100 percent expect the hurst one to be caught poor throw or not. The other two may have been caught by someone taller than snead. The 4th down one flacco had to avoid a pass rusher after about 2 seconds and never really got set as he threw the ball.
Hurst didn’t catch the ball cleanly, so you are right, could’ve been a better throw but Hurst could’ve caught it better and it wouldn’t have been knocked down so easily. But honestly I think the way the last two drives went was perfect scenario. If we scored on the 2nd to last drive we would’ve been up by 3 and the Saints would’ve been more urgent about scoring a TD. Instead they settled for a field goal which gave us the ball at the end instead of the Saints. It would’ve went way differently had we scored on that drive I think. But oh well, none of that matters now
 

Grim

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Honestly, I agree with Preston's take on this game. I think Joe played a damn good game. I think Joe had a few poor plays, but he showed patience and waited for plays to develope. He also made some big throws in the game that put us in the position to nearly take this one. I think the bigger problem were the drop balls, the Snead drop was huge and he was WIDE open so the drop was completely inexcusible. The OL was a patch work group overall as well without Hurst and Lewis and aren't built to withstand having their depth tested like the defense. I think they were decent considering that Joe got sacked once.

I don't know how to feel about the defense performance, they definitely didn't blow this game, but they could have been better. I felt like there was one more play they could have made at times plenty of times during the game that would've given us the advantage and ultimately the win. One thing is for certain, the Marlon loss hurt, and it hurt bad. Hopefully he returns this week because they did not hesitate going after Jimmy.
So I’m mixed on that because I think our OL held up pretty well. I think some of our WR let us down, like Snead and Hurst, but I also put it on the QB because while Joe had a statistically good game he could’ve thrown a couple INT—at least two—that didn’t end up as INT. I also don’t think Joe had good placement on that ball to Hurst and led him too much into coverage and a tackle and have to agree with the announcers on that one sadly. I’ll agree that maybe a bad game is a bit much so I’ll take it back but I don’t think Joe had a stellar game. The play calling was the worst part about our offense though

If Jimmy's body is indeed breaking down cutting him next offseason would be benficial to the team in the long run. It turns corner into a need(again), but I think in the modern NFL Eric should continue our trend of drafting at least one anyways. Marlon and Tavon look like the future of the position for the team, and Jimmy would be leaving it in good hands. Plus, Averett looks to be a quality player as well. You could use that money to go sign a big name FA (maybe at safety to replace Weddle), or resign our guys.

Let's give him until the end of the season though.
Yeah let’s wait and see. There’s still a lot of time and he is coming off a major injury. People thought Suggs was done when he came back off his and he eventually came back to be a monster.

Especially after he just got PAID. Though what they are doing to him is criminal. Here's hoping that in the Jags losing streak they're dumb enough to give us Fournette who's a dream fit in this scheme and who's proven that he can play at a high level with a bad oline.

I'm actually satisfied with how good the rookie olinemen looked. Between the tackles runs should've been called more, Bozeman did a solid job in that regard. I like Collins and Buck but we need another guy. But no one will likely trade anything. I'd like Harris but another CB might be in play.
OL played well and they deserve praise. Brown had some issues but I think he played well and I would still like Hurst out there at LG. If Bozeman can play center then yeah we should look at him there. Risky move now unless Skura is literally losing all his battles

The thing with joe and the wrs on that second to final drive mainly. Hurst dropped 1 and two others were dropped. This was the same throw against denver that imo won us the game in the mile high miracle. He hit pitta perfect.

Flacco missed the 3 throws a bit but i 100 percent expect the hurst one to be caught poor throw or not. The other two may have been caught by someone taller than snead. The 4th down one flacco had to avoid a pass rusher after about 2 seconds and never really got set as he threw the ball.
There were issues with the WR corps today. I think Crabtree played well but Snead had himself a bad game. Brown did what I expected but Snead really let us down. Andrews has been our best TE but why aren’t we featuring these too more? I understand why with Andrews sorta but not as much Hurst. Teams can’t take away both.

It's a tough play, but I felt like Hurst had a poor reaction to the pass, maybe he expect Joe to razor the ball to him but I don't think he really executed well there as his timing seemed a bit off. I felt like he didn't catch the ball cleanly but I might have to take another look. That was my first impression of the play personally.
Yeah it looked like Hurst didn’t understand his route or that Flacco messed up the throw or it could even be the CB threw Hurst off and just had good defense and position on their coverage.

Hurst didn’t catch the ball cleanly, so you are right, could’ve been a better throw but Hurst could’ve caught it better and it wouldn’t have been knocked down so easily. But honestly I think the way the last two drives went was perfect scenario. If we scored on the 2nd to last drive we would’ve been up by 3 and the Saints would’ve been more urgent about scoring a TD. Instead they settled for a field goal which gave us the ball at the end instead of the Saints. It would’ve went way differently had we scored on that drive I think. But oh well, none of that matters now
That’s why I’m putting blame more on the offense than anyone. We had other drives we failed to do anything with earlier in that quarter and went 3-and-out. Also to make matters worse, yes, Flacco put us in position to win or go into OT but he was bailed out by penalties on that drive. Granted, that DPI was definitely DPI but that’s not usually called that late in the game. I recall two penalties on that drive? I could be wrong but wasn’t it that DPI and a hands to the face? That helped us even have a chance at winning else Tucker’s missed PAT doesn’t count

On that subject, I’m not sure what to say on Tucker. People say there was no wind, the flags were still, yet it curved. I chuck it up as a fluke and I’ve moved on from it. I don’t like how Tucker kicked the onside, though; I felt that was poorly done. Not only was it very obvious but I just don’t think he hit it well. Tucker also almost missed the FG so I do think he has issues kicking here at home and it’s in his head.
 
let's be honest- people weren't asking for Carr to be cut so much as Pees.
That’s true but it’s more of built up frustration with Pees. People have been asking us to cut him for a while now. Carr on the other hand was asked to be cut literally after one game.
 

29BmoreBird22

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That’s true but it’s more of built up frustration with Pees. People have been asking us to cut him for a while now. Carr on the other hand was asked to be cut literally after one game.
I don't really remember that unless it was from a select few. Nothing nearly like the Jimmy hate or the Crabtree hate.

The predominate storyline was why Pees left Carr on Brown when Humphrey was playing so well.
 
I don't really remember that unless it was from a select few. Nothing nearly like the Jimmy hate or the Crabtree hate.

The predominate storyline was why Pees left Carr on Brown when Humphrey was playing so well.
I 100% recall it. I even remember going on Zrebiec's twitter when he announced it and plenty of people were upset. I even recall people being really pissed at Carr even after that Steelers game as well. I even remember people who pointed out why they never understood the hate for Carr among our fanbase last season.

As far as Pees go, it's easy to put heat on him when the defense has been choking leads for 4 years in a row. I mean think back to the 2015 divisional playoffs, or even the way our season ended in 2016? I'm not suprised that he got his fair share of critisicm.

I don't think it's on the level of Jimmys, though again that's built up IMO like Pees, but I do think it's above what Crabtree dealt with.
 
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