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Lamar Jackson

Deebo813

Hall of Famer
We played some really great teams? Like who? Browns? Bengals? Steelers? Bills? Broncos? Titans? Panthers who after beating us have absolutely sucked? News flash. We played 1 “really good” team this entire year. Starting 4-5 is inexcusable.
This remind me of last yr when we beat no team that was +.500.. people really thought we did something by going 8-8
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
accuracy was never joe's problem, going through his reads instead of 3 yd passes to TEs and RBs is joe's problem. Joe cant extend plays like lamar, nor does he put fear in the defense like lamar does. When joe is in, its pin your ears and go get him, he isnt going anywhere, that even puts extra stress on the OL, you cant do that with lamar, he'll burn you
Joe does have accuracy issues with his deep ball. People herald Flacco for the deep ball but I can’t recall how many times I’ve seen Joe throw a ball short or beyond a WR. Fact is Joe has issues throwing deep just like Lamar so this isn’t just a Lamar issue. I’m not saying you’re saying that just commenting because that’s a common incorrect narrative.

Before not playing for a month he was a top 10 qb stats wise obviously we dont know his stats had he played these past three weeks which is why I dont understand everyone saying he played poorly I'll give you the Steelers and Panthers game more so the Panthers game imo
And Bengals
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
You don’t get this argument? Really? So you’re trying to tell me the Broncos titans and panthers are “really good teams” lmaooooooooo

yeah exactly - if you're gonna diminish lamar's win over the bengals because they're trash now then you have to take into account the form of the other teams we played when we played them:

the broncos were trash in week 3, the steelers were trash in week 4, the titans were trash in week 6
tbf the panthers were a good team when we played them, as were the saints

like if you're gonna take away from lamar by saying he's played trash teams even though the bengals havent been trash the whole way then you have to look as finely at joe and all 4 of joe's wins came against teams that were trash when we played them

fine you can say that lamar is 3-0 against bad teams but joe's 4 wins were also against bad teams
so basically all 7 ravens wins were against bad teams
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Before not playing for a month he was a top 10 qb stats wise obviously we dont know his stats had he played these past three weeks which is why I dont understand everyone saying he played poorly I'll give you the Steelers and Panthers game more so the Panthers game imo

was he? im pretty sure that the only stat where joe rated in the top 10 after week 9 was pass attempts
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
This man started 3 games and peoples patience is wearing thin. Flacco has sucked for the better part of 5 years and others didn't get the frustration and are now trying to equate it. The hypocrisy is super real. God forbid fans have hope for their rookie QB and want him to stay in and grow. And holy shit, the bastard has the nerve to win games while doing it. Na put in the other guy who gave our team absolutely no identity on offense cause of nostalgia.

Besides the fact he doesn't seem to improve our offense that much, have you realized that if the ravens want to trade Flacco, playing him might only hurt his trade value?
Most important part? We're 3-0! It'd be more understandable if we went 1-2 or 0-3, but the fact is that Lamar's presence just changes everything about our offense despite his shortcomings.
 

Deebo813

Hall of Famer
i like lamar and he gonna have some growing pains.. long as i see that he is developing and giving his all im cool with that.. at the same time, i dont wanna see this option shit every game all game next year. I wanna see some pocket dots
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
remember in i think 2013 or 2014 when joe didnt put the offseason work in with his new WRs and it showed. that stuff matters, since lamar got here this was still joe's offense. Joe got all the reps needed with the new the guys not lamar, so to see lamar over throwing passes so often, says to me he needs to stay in and develop that chemistry with those guys.
Joe actually did put the offseason work or at least attempted to as shown in these links:
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports...co-wants-to-host-workouts-20140306-story.html
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/torrey-smith-defends-joe-flacco-against-offseason-criticism/

Unless Flacco played HORRIBLY the entire season, the only way Lamar was going to play if Flacco got hurt and had to miss some time. I'm not too sure if Lamar got reps with the starters this past offseason.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Most important part? We're 3-0! It'd be more understandable if we went 1-2 or 0-3, but the fact is that Lamar's presence just changes everything about our offense despite his shortcomings.

yeah it literally cannot be overstated how much of an impact lamar's offence has on our defence too - the defence played almost half as many snaps as the falcons defence yesterday

we had 3 offensive drives in the 2nd half and we still had 81 plays of offence in the game - that must be so draining for a defence - and on the flipside our defence is getting energised by these long drives and they're staying rested too
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
yeah it literally cannot be overstated how much of an impact lamar's offence has on our defence too - the defence played almost half as many snaps as the falcons defence yesterday

we had 3 offensive drives in the 2nd half and we still had 81 plays of offence in the game - that must be so draining for a defence - and on the flipside our defence is getting energised by these long drives and they're staying rested too
Indeed. Our defense looks LEGIT again. Of course, this style of offense can't be sustained forever, but it's not like this offense won't evolve as Lamar evolves as a passer. Well........that depends if M***y is still on this team by the end of the season.
 
Hate to sidetrack the conversation about whether Lamar is having a positive effect on the team (LOL), but I want to throw in the shout out to Bob. In most cases, if you throw your 3rd string QB out there, you're shit out of luck. He basically picked up right where Jackson left off and allowed the team to function in the same capacity - another 8 minute possession that ended in points.

You have to feel good for him. He's worked hard to get anyone to believe in him again. People scoffed when we picked him up (bringing up more tired questions on why we didn't pick up Kap). He's quietly waited for an opportunity. Albeit a small opportunity, he took it.

I firmly believe he's worked his way into a backup gig with this team next year. I believe we go back to a 2 QB roster in 2019 and it will be Lamar and Bob.
 
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Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
I'm gonna have to deal with Lamar haters for the next ten years aren't I?

*pops open my emergency bottle of Scotch*


I hate all of you.
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
I'm gonna have to deal with Lamar haters for the next ten years aren't I?

*pops open my emergency bottle of Scotch*


I hate all of you.
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
With the rookie QB, the only stat we should care about are numbers in W and L columns.
Those look better than average right now.
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
Let’s not be unfair to Flacco. He was playing very well early in the season and the offense was clicking big time. Then the Saints shut us down and that was the end of that Joe Flacco. I guess the Bengals did it first but it was really NO who popped that balloon. I don’t think I’m in a very small minority here in how I see our QB situation. Lamar has a lot of work to do but here’s the skinny:

+ good poise, pocket awareness, able to make all the throws, hits WR in stride, football smart, electric with the ball, able to keep defenses on their heels, able to go through progressions, excellent character and seemingly work ethic, shown ability to hit WR in the hands
- inconsistent mechanics that need work and refinement, throws can be off, penchant to turn over the ball in fumbles and interceptions, unknown quality as a pure passer when the run option is gone

That’s my current assessment of Jackson. I think all his issues come from mechanics and the turnovers have to stop. We need to see what happens with him as a pure passer but we won’t know that until Marty allows him and maybe there’s a reason he hasn’t. I feel like I’m missing something here but I’ll leave it with this.
 
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