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Lamar Jackson

rossihunter2

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jboy19 said:
There are blank spots for sure, but it's not like these teams had huge dramatic turnarounds. A lot of the reason that the Bills D improved was improved QB play/field position/less time on the field but it's still the same players, scheme, etc. The Broncos had a different arch of improvement since they had momentum when they played in, but the same pieces are in place. Every team has a variance and sometimes injuries play a huge role, but we shouldn't just say "oh they sucked then but are good now" and use that to take credit away
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why not - that seems like a rational way to judge if we're gonna judge lamar by the defences he faced then why wouldnt we judge the defences flacco faced in the same way?

it seems like people want to judge lamar and flacco on different scales

and even beyond statistics you only have to watch the teams we played in the adjacent weeks to see their form/abilities at that time

just having the same pieces doesnt mean a team cannot drastically change - scheme changes (especially post-bye), playing time changes, playcalling adjustments, players improving or regressing through the year...

the colts sucked and then won 5 straight - they were a drastically different team between their first 5 and second 5 games
likewise the texans were not a good team to start the year - they now might be on their way to a bye having just played their 2 most complete games of the year back to back
 
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3-4ravdef509

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Listen, if Lamar is a Raven I’m rooting for him. I just want him to be a quarterback. That’s all. And there are clearly different perspectives as to why Flacco and the team have struggled over the last few years.

I think Harbaugh and the FO thought Flacco would be like Brady or Rodgers and just make it work with whatever they gave him. Joe’s not on their level, it’s stupid if they or anyone else ever thought that. Hopefully the staff does a better job coaching up and building around Lamar.
 
RavensMania

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3-4ravdef509 said:
I don’t like mobile qbs. I do like Flacco but if we are going to move on I’d rather not have a Mobile qb.

Lamar IS our most dynamic player. It’s a shame he’s never considered following suit of some other Mobile qbs and becoming a slot receiver / utility back, like Edelman

But of course I’ll get slammed for that idea.
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That’s a pretty biased comment . Just because he is dynamic doesn’t mean he can’t play qb and he has a pretty high ceiling at that.
 
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3-4ravdef509

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RavensMania said:
That’s a pretty racist comment even if you didn’t mean it that way. Just because he is dynamic doesn’t mean he can’t play qb and he has a pretty high ceiling at that.
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*rereads 5 times*


WTF does race have to do with this and where did anyone except you bring race up?

The fuck man
 
RavensMania

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3-4ravdef509 said:
The winning creates the false equivalency to competency.

We aren’t winning because Lamar is a good quarterback.

We are wining because Lamar and our backs are running the ball effectively and dominating TOP which helps the defense
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And why are we running the ball effectively? The defense has to take Lamar into account which opens up holes, even if the box has been stacked.
 
DeVito52

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RavensMania said:
That’s a pretty racist comment . Just because he is dynamic doesn’t mean he can’t play qb and he has a pretty high ceiling at that.
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You’re joking right? Come on man, I don’t agree with it but what he said has nothing to do with race. Don’t go pulling the race card shit.
 
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3-4ravdef509

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RavensMania said:
That’s a pretty biased comment . Just because he is dynamic doesn’t mean he can’t play qb and he has a pretty high ceiling at that.
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I never presented a dichotomy of dynamic or quarterback ; you can’t be both. I said it’s a shame we haven’t tried/succeeded for five fucking years or really longer to get a dynamic playmaker , now we have one but it’s a at least currently run first quarterback. It’d be awesome to see a player with his athleticism as a utility back. I compared him to Edelman who’s white. Jesus Christ. I don’t care what skin color the qb has. He could be a gay transgender black Hispanic Asian mix and I wouldn’t give a fuck. All I care is if he/she/they are a good quarterback.
 
RavensMania

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Grim said:
I’m not a big fan of run first QB but how can you not like a mobile QB? They avoid pressure and sacks and extend plays. You must mean run first QB otherwise I’ll disagree. Lamar could be a great WR potentially sure but he’d have to learn routes and all this other stuff. Josh Reynolds is a guy like that and it took him years. Jackson can make throws and he can even throw it deep he just needs work on refining his game.

Does Joe do things better than Lamar? Yeah he does but Lamar does things better than Joe too. I think that’s unfair of you to cherrypick what Lamar doesn’t do as well or better than Joe. Lamar does a better job of hitting guys in stride than Joe from what I’ve seen. He also has better awareness but his accuracy isn’t as good but Lamar looks poised and he’s developed rapidly so maybe he can still improve here this year. Let the year play out and we can assess them both more accurately by the end of the year.
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I’d like to add here that Lamar isn’t a run first qb. Unless the play is a designed run, he is always keeping his eyes downfield . He also goes through his progressions MUCH better than Joe Flacco.
 
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3-4ravdef509

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RavensMania said:
I’d like to add here that Lamar isn’t a run first qb. Unless the play is a designed run, he is always keeping his eyes downfield . He also goes through his progressions MUCH better than Joe Flacco.
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Eh, he scrambles and has more time/feels more comfortable to do through progressions. He still misses some receivers in his reads and running sometimes hurts because it eliminates half the field.

Joe reads fine when he feels comfortable and is in the zone. He’s just unfortunately gotten a bit more rattled since his knee injury.
 
rossihunter2

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3-4ravdef509 said:
Eh, he scrambles and has more time/feels more comfortable to do through progressions. He still misses some receivers in his reads and running sometimes hurts because it eliminates half the field.

Joe reads fine when he feels comfortable and is in the zone. He’s just unfortunately gotten a bit more rattled since his knee injury.
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his in the pocket progressions and reads are quicker too though - lamar read the field so fast vs the raiders and bengals - i havent properly seen the film of atlanta to see how he read the field (although i do remember some misreads as well as some really quick progressions - so im expecting it to be a bit mixed)
 
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