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Lamar Jackson
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JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Saying kaepernick was a better passer at this point in their respective careers shows a bias, it shows that you are denying truth to support your claim. Kaepernick should drop football and go to track and field and specialize in sprints and javelin toss, because that’s all he did on the field. Kaepernick may have had a more accurate straight line pure velocity throw, but as far as working the pocket and going through reads, putting touch on the ball, scramble-to-pass and other improv passes, lamar is far better. With kaepernick, you could forget about any pass that wasn’t either a slant with a wide open lane, a comeback, or a all out max distance fade, if he had to go over a defender it’s a tip or a pick, if that first read wasn’t open he’s running.
now that’s a run first qb
3-4ravdef509
Practice Squad
Just from memory as outcome, Kap his first year was hailed as a phenom and to be fair his style and the way they ran that offense that year was successful enough to almost win the Super Bowl. He had a cannon and good straight like accueacy but it became apparent in the Super Bowl a bit and the upcoming seasons that he didn’t have other throws in his toolbelt. But I can’t temember exactly what I said , but what I’m getting at is a similar situation to what we are going through occurred with that team and I am not trying to say Lamar and Kap are exactly the same or Lamar can’t get better. Perhaps work ethic and drive will take Lamar further. But I see limitations to his passing game that we don’t know whether he’ll get better or not.
cdp
Ravens Ring of Honor
He was top 10 in passing yards before he went down, but he only managed to get there because he attempted more passes than any other qb to compensate for his low ypa stat
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
And what I’m saying is that declaring that kaep was a better passer in his 13th week in the nfl is just silly. Kaepernick filled in for a short stretch as a rookie, so when he finally took over and became this phenom you speak of, he was a full year in at the pro level, and he was still far behind lamar as far as refinement and mental capacity goes, and throughout his whole career he never developed touch or learned more than 3 throws and never learned to work the pocket and go through reads, lamar bypasses kaepernick in all these aspects already
balfan23
MVP
Jesus ... Did I say Bob was going to be the 2019 MVP? Let me check ... No I didn't
Is it really hard to imagine that he's going to bump up to the #2 spot? I don't think so. If you think such crazy talk is a product of hype, say why and don't put up some bullshit about someone else.
It sure seemed reasonable to think that Collins would be a lead back - gee, perhaps because that's what he was when we finished the 2017 season. I'm not sure where you heard anyone saying that he was going to be the best running back in the NFL.
3-4ravdef509
Practice Squad
Fair enough, I’m just saying that offense was more explosive and productive than ours is currently.
Lamar isn’t guaranteed to get better as a passer. I hope he does. But at some point practice doesn’t help, you either got it or you don’t.
Tyler
Practice Squad
The one monumental point that a lot of people are missing in the big picture is this:
Sure, Joe Flacco might be a more polished passer as an 11 year vet, and a lot of people seem to be labeling Jackson as a pure scrambling quarterback. However, watching all of Jackson’s 3 starts, as well as tape in college, Jackson is ALWAYS looking downfield before he decides to take off. We’ve seen Him roll out, about to hit the jets, only to complete a pass for a big first down in field goal range, in multiple games. The point in this Jackson-Flacco debate is not who can throw the ball better at this point of their respective careers, it’s who is a better for THIS team. The reality is, we don’t have Deandre Hopkins, Julio Jones, Or Antonio Brown. Not a lot of teams do. So, it is what it is, we don’t have weapons that are going to be open or uncoverable on most plays. The difference between Joe, albeit a better passer, is most of those 3rd downs, where Joe is taking the sack or throwing the ball into the carpet, become QUICK 3 and outs, the defense becomes tired, drives stall, and it’s the “same old Ravens” With Jackson, he still goes through his progressions, and has the ability to extend a 3rd down play that would usually end up with Joe throwing it away or taking the sack due to lack of separation from the receivers we have, into a long sustaining drive that keeps the defense fresh and controls the game. If the Ravens had better receivers, Jackson would run significantly less IMO. He’s always made it known both with his talk and his play that he’s looking to throw first.
Sure, Joe Flacco might be a more polished passer as an 11 year vet, and a lot of people seem to be labeling Jackson as a pure scrambling quarterback. However, watching all of Jackson’s 3 starts, as well as tape in college, Jackson is ALWAYS looking downfield before he decides to take off. We’ve seen Him roll out, about to hit the jets, only to complete a pass for a big first down in field goal range, in multiple games. The point in this Jackson-Flacco debate is not who can throw the ball better at this point of their respective careers, it’s who is a better for THIS team. The reality is, we don’t have Deandre Hopkins, Julio Jones, Or Antonio Brown. Not a lot of teams do. So, it is what it is, we don’t have weapons that are going to be open or uncoverable on most plays. The difference between Joe, albeit a better passer, is most of those 3rd downs, where Joe is taking the sack or throwing the ball into the carpet, become QUICK 3 and outs, the defense becomes tired, drives stall, and it’s the “same old Ravens” With Jackson, he still goes through his progressions, and has the ability to extend a 3rd down play that would usually end up with Joe throwing it away or taking the sack due to lack of separation from the receivers we have, into a long sustaining drive that keeps the defense fresh and controls the game. If the Ravens had better receivers, Jackson would run significantly less IMO. He’s always made it known both with his talk and his play that he’s looking to throw first.
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balfan23
MVP
That may be, but RGIII destroyed his hopes of being the dynamic player he was envisioned to be by diving forward in the face of one speeding mack truck named Ngata. That should have ended his season but instead the Skins decided to continue to play him so it could ruin his career.
Rg3 was done before that.. he was never a good qb imo.
balfan23
MVP
Well, the conversation wasn't a debate on how good a QB he was or was going to be before he got wrecked ... the conversation was about how he got wrecked and it wasn't standing in the pocket.
balfan23
MVP
Could it be marginally better than it was when he was in earlier this season? Yeah - I think it could. But continue to play like it has been over the past weeks since Lamar came in - No.
i agree.. i hope its his mechanics or something cause if not he might be fucked
RavensFan419
Pro Bowler
I agree with this and the threat of us passing gives us more of an edge with Joe as the starter
balfan23
MVP
All the pros and cons ... as the Flacco v Lamar debate rages on in this thread...
Lets think for a minute how our players would vote. Yanda "We just love to pound the rock". What does that tell you? And please, the defense? You don't think they're happy about it when they get of the field, they often don't see it for the next 8 minutes of game play?
Phil Simms said, Harbaugh will absolutely keep Lamar in even after Flacco is back, otherwise there will be a revolt among the players. I think he's right on both counts.
Lets think for a minute how our players would vote. Yanda "We just love to pound the rock". What does that tell you? And please, the defense? You don't think they're happy about it when they get of the field, they often don't see it for the next 8 minutes of game play?
Phil Simms said, Harbaugh will absolutely keep Lamar in even after Flacco is back, otherwise there will be a revolt among the players. I think he's right on both counts.
RavensFan419
Pro Bowler
See the interesting thing is the comments players have made really make me think the locker room may be split with sizzles comments yesterday and eric waddle said he imagines joe will start when healthy last week
weddle also came out though after the game and said we have our identity now - if we were to go back to joe our offence completely changes (and our defence likely plays different too)
balfan23
MVP
The split might be WRs vs everyone else.