Lamar Jackson

[Tru11]

I would equally have problems with a white quarterback running a zone read heavy run offense. So let it be clear my bias is just football related.

It just seems to me a substitute for actually building a good offense. This works well enough against probably even average defenses. If it works long term I guess I’ll get over the high school look/feel of it. But if you think my skepticism is irrational bias I would suggest you have an equal and opposite bias. We don’t know.

Unless you can proof that they ravens are planning to build a zone read heavy run offense and use that for years to come , you are indeed irrational bias and there is certainly more to it then just football related.

The only reason the ravens are using the zone read alot right now is because flacco got injured and they had to make adjustments for Lamar to start.
They keep using it because its working.

No long term decision has been made as far as we know.......

 

[Tru11]

Yeah... and you aren’t even a pro Joe guy and haven’t ever been from my memory.

Lamar is exciting but his passing isn’t great past like ten yards

Like flacco passing is great beyond the check down.....

 

[OriolesMagicPlease]

Can I just appreciate what Flacco did for the franchise while also being optimistic for Lamar... Is that too much to ask?

Hello? Are you new here? Definitely too much to ask! You should go ahead and ask for a unicorn while you are at it.

 

[RavensFan419]

28-28 2:00 minutes left on the clock you score you win what QB are you sending out there to finish the game

 

[Ludy51]

28-28 2:00 minutes left on the clock you score you win what QB are you sending out there to finish the game

Sam Koch

 

[RavensFan419]

Sam Koch

Lolololololol fair enough

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

28-28 2:00 minutes left on the clock you score you win what QB are you sending out there to finish the game

Lamar easily. All we need is to get into FG range for the GOAT and I know that Lamar isn't going to be casually trotting to the line when we have no timeouts.

 

[rossihunter2]

And yet we've had successful run games before during the Flacco years. Forsett had a five yard average in 2014. Let's not pretend that it's a brand new thing that the Ravens can suddenly run now that there's a running QB. Just last year Collins average nearly five yards a carry.

not with this personnel - just watch the way defenders hold their penetration/rush when the ball is in the transfer with edwards and jackson - it creates so much space for the overload by our OL on their interior defenders and getting OL into level 2

 

[RavensFan419]

Lamar easily. All we need is to get into FG range for the GOAT and I know that Lamar isn't going to be casually trotting to the line when we have no timeouts.

You are letting your love for Jackson and hate for Flacco get in the way of your rational football mind

 

[rossihunter2]

And I just can’t equate running ability with quarterbacking without an asterisk of Mobile, running, or whatever you want to label it as. It’s not pure/real quarterbacking.

do you not think scat backs are real running backs then? is tarik cohen a pure running back? is dion lewis a pure running back?

it's bizarre - quarterbacking hasnt been about just passing for years, in the same way that being a running back hasnt been about just rushing for years either

 

[rossihunter2]

28-28 2:00 minutes left on the clock you score you win what QB are you sending out there to finish the game

jackson 100%
joe has shown recently that in those situations he goes 3 and out and leaves enough time on the clock for the other team to go down and score - the saints game was a surprise when we actually drove down the field to get that score in a critical situation

the lamar offence will always have the ability to create space down the field because of his ability to move and use his legs to get out of bounds as well

except for lamar's near-redzone INT vs the raiders i think he managed to drive downfield for points in every end of half drill we've had since he was the starter

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

You are letting your love for Jackson and hate for Flacco get in the way of your rational football mind

Even at his best, Flacco's 2-minute-offense can be questionable. Too many times, he's lethargically gone up to the line to snap the ball when the offense has needed to hurry the fuck up. "Hate" for Flacco has nothing to do with this assessment as even announcers across the league have stated the same thing while calling his games.

Meanwhile, Lamar already creates massive pressure on the defense and when the offense is in the no-huddle then it's going to create even more problems. If the D gets gassed then he's going to easily run past them to the sideline and get easy yards towards FG range and if they decide to do everything in their power to stop him from scrambling then it's going to open up huge holes in the middle of the field (regardless of what you think about Lamar's passing ability, he can hit these throws).

 

[Grim]

Lamar doesn't need to do much aside from not miss horrificly like he did yesterday when brown was as open as could be and with ample time and space. That wasn't acceptable and i have a limit of '' my bad'' excuses for such ineptitude. High school QB's could have thrown brown open on that play.

That was a bad throw and really no excuse for it. It could’ve been picked off but I think the throw was so bad the DBs couldn’t even figure out how to get it. That said, accuracy deep was a known issue so it’s not surprising and he’s come a long way from college and even preseason. Shoot I think he’s come a long way since the Bills or even CIN.

Yeah... and you aren’t even a pro Joe guy and haven’t ever been from my memory.

Lamar is exciting but his passing isn’t great past like ten yards

Save a select few I think most people know Lamar has work to do. Even the most biased Lamar fan seems to recognize that. I’ve noticed a lot of sensitivity around here regarding Joe Flacco. Some like to forget he was a good QB but let’s also not pretend like Joe has been playing great. We struggled with Joe and who knows what Joe could’ve done against these past 3 but that’s impossible to say now. That said, Joe played very well early but he spiraled down the drain quickly like a toilet being flushed. I don’t think most people hate Flacco or forget what he did or think he’s bad. I think it’s that people want something different and feel excited with Lamar at QB.

I think there’s some people saying they want Lamar because why wait if Joe is gone next year. I think people are just tired of the same old stuff and frankly enjoy watching the Ravens with Lamar. He is more exciting to watch because of how he moves around in the pocket so you can’t fault them, but others like Lamar because he has shown qualities Flacco has never once shown. I fall into this category because Joe was great but I like how Lamar is able to hit guys in stride better than Joe who just was never very good at that. I also think Lamar fits our team better because his mobility disguises weaknesses in our OL. This opinion will be confirmed this week because these Chiefs can rush the passer very well.

 

[3-4ravdef509]

Right now in this offense I would trust Lamar more to move the chains consistently.

do you not think scat backs are real running backs then? is tarik cohen a pure running back? is dion lewis a pure running back?

it's bizarre - quarterbacking hasnt been about just passing for years, in the same way that being a running back hasnt been about just rushing for years either

Running backs still primarily get the ball in the backfield and then run , they don’t primarily run routes past the LOS and catch balls down the field. (Primarily, of course sometimes they do but they generally don’t excell in that role in the same way I know receivers run end arounds and catch screens behind the LoS but generally don’t excell or primarily run those plays). You also have utility backs who just
Move around and play at multiple positions because they don’t really fulfill one role.

A quarterback who mostly runs is flashy and I guess works well enough to a point just in terms of moving the ball ... but it’s different than being a pure quarterback. It’s not even accurate to me to label it just a different style of quarterbacking. It’s a blend, its like how a utility back is technically a running back but we usually make major differentiations between those types of backs and other backs (think Woodhead for example)

 

[JoeyFlex5]

28-28 2:00 minutes left on the clock you score you win what QB are you sending out there to finish the game

Well try to consider what lamars legs can do against a spread out defense with receivers taking coverage deep...

His legs alone in that situation I imagine could get us enough yards to hit the FG

 

[Grim]

I also see a narrative that Flacco is John’s guy but I disagree with that notion. When Harbaugh got here Flacco also came as he was drafted. Harbaugh has Boller and Smith, both guys could move—Smith more than Boller. We drafted Taylor under Harbaugh who is more like Jackson than Joe. John seemed to say good things about Colin, whom his brother coached. We signed RG3 before we even had Jackson. I honestly think Harbaugh is more of a proponent of this type of QB than Joe. People claim John has more say so if so then he didn’t have much say when we drafted Joe but probably had some say when we drafted Jackson.

 

[Oldfaithful]

I also see a narrative that Flacco is John’s guy but I disagree with that notion. When Harbaugh got here Flacco also came as he was drafted. Harbaugh has Boller and Smith, both guys could move—Smith more than Boller. We drafted Taylor under Harbaugh who is more like Jackson than Joe. John seemed to say good things about Colin, whom his brother coached. We signed RG3 before we even had Jackson. I honestly think Harbaugh is more of a proponent of this type of QB than Joe. People claim John has more say so if so then he didn’t have much say when we drafted Joe but probably had some say when we drafted Jackson.

So what you're saying is.....


you want Tyrod Taylor....

A QB needs to be from VA and scramble

 

[Tank]

@Tank have they beaten the fight out of you my man?

eh, not really. But it's just a big circle so no reason to continue any debate with the folks here. Everyone has their opinion.

I will say that after seeing LJ play I'm much more excited for his future, repeating, future. I still believe that we need experience for the remainder of the year if we have aspirations for the tournament as we won't be able to absorb the inevitable rookie mistakes against better competition. That said if we can't get at least an acceptable run game going without LJ we're doomed anyway.

 

[Oldfaithful]

#TankforThorson.

Since Woodrum is now dead it's time to start a new bandwagon

 

[rossihunter2]

Right now in this offense I would trust Lamar more to move the chains consistently.


Running backs still primarily get the ball in the backfield and then run , they don’t primarily run routes past the LOS and catch balls down the field. (Primarily, of course sometimes they do but they generally don’t excell in that role in the same way I know receivers run end arounds and catch screens behind the LoS but generally don’t excell or primarily run those plays). You also have utility backs who just
Move around and play at multiple positions because they don’t really fulfill one role.

A quarterback who mostly runs is flashy and I guess works well enough to a point just in terms of moving the ball ... but it’s different than being a pure quarterback. It’s not even accurate to me to label it just a different style of quarterbacking. It’s a blend, its like how a utility back is technically a running back but we usually make major differentiations between those types of backs and other backs (think Woodhead for example)

that's why i gave you tarik cohen as an example - he's electric and has more snaps as a receiver than as a pure rusher but is 100% a running back and still has 74 carries and 59 receptions this year - he is 100% primarily a route runner as a running back

christian mccaffrey has diversified but ultimately he was drafted as a running back to be a receiver

guys like james white/dion lewis/jerrick mckinnon/ty montgomery are weapons because they are receivers as running backs - it was the same with danny woodhead when he was here (or anywhere)