The Good, the bad, and the inability to beat good teams

[allblackraven]

I assume we're talking about the 47 yarder or whatever to Hill on 4th and 9? Not at all Jimmy and I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

My guess is a Tampa 2. Two deep safety shell, Mosley that far downfield, Jimmy forcing an inside release while staying underneath. I'm 99% certain that was Tampa 2 and that makes it 100% on CJ Mosley.

@allblackraven @rossihunter2 since I saw you two "agree" as well.

I just saw #22 around there on the play - looked more likely that he was responsible for the fastest dude in the NFL, not CJ.

 

[RavensMania]

After a few rough weeks and wanting Wink gone, I am back on board with him. How tf could you watch the last 4 games and say wink needs to go?

Wink should def stay, but a new coach will most likely want to bring in his own coaches. If he wants to stick with wink than that would be great. He may even want to switch to a 4-3.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I just saw #22 around there on the play - looked more likely that he was responsible for the fastest dude in the NFL, not CJ.

I think he was around the play because there was no work underneath; have to make yourself useful if there's no work in your zone. Just a heads up play.

But the funny thing about this? Or not so funny, but sadly heartbreaking. Tyler Boyd also beat the Ravens on a Tampa 2. Against Cinci, it was Weddle at the MIKE (oddly) and this time it was CJ Mosley, but both times, the slot receiver up the seam killed the Ravens.

 

[RavensMania]

Anyone follow the NFC? How is the Bucs defense? Can they be run on?

Yes, we should be fine against them. they also play horrible away from home.

 

[allblackraven]

I think he was around the play because there was no work underneath; have to make yourself useful if there's no work in your zone. Just a heads up play.

But the funny thing about this? Or not so funny, but sadly heartbreaking. Tyler Boyd also beat the Ravens on a Tampa 2. Against Cinci, it was Weddle at the MIKE (oddly) and this time it was CJ Mosley, but both times, the slot receiver up the seam killed the Ravens.

But if it goes that deep, nobody can possibly expect Mosley to cover Hill. It should be safeties responsibility, right?

 

[Militant X 1]

We'll agree to disagree. I mean we couldn't get the lucky bounce when Mahomes fumbled.

Well, the lucky bounce wouldn't have been needed or viewed as something crucial had the Ravens defense got their asses off of the field on both 4th & 9 and 4th and 3.

 

[DeVito52]

Anyone follow the NFC? How is the Bucs defense? Can they be run on?

well, the saints had a tough time today for the most part. They wont be an easy win by any means

 

[DeVito52]

Kenneth Dixon might be my favorite player on the Ravens

 

[29BmoreBird22]

But if it goes that deep, nobody can possibly expect Mosley to cover Hill. It should be safeties responsibility, right?

Technically still Mosley since his zone is literally to cover the inside seam and cushion for the safeties. Unfortunately, it was a really poor camera angle to see what the safeties were doing.

Now, why didn't the defense audible when they saw Hill in the slot? I don't know. That is a very good question.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Kenneth Dixon might be my favorite player on the Ravens

*Ingraven gets triggered*

 

[rossihunter2]

It even happens to Tom Brady...unless its obviously the QBs fault because they sit in the pocket for 3 years, ive always thought it was kind of stupid to blame a qb for a strip sack. Especially if its a quick developing play.

the lamar fumble happened mid-hitch as well - there's no qb in the league that holds onto that ball when you hit them at that point in their motion

 

[JO_75]

Win 2 of the next 3 WITH the Steelers dropping the next two to the Pats and Saints then we can win the division at 9-7. Which would then result in a rematch with the Chargers but in Baltimore.

It's crazy how this season has been and I can still type that sentence out.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

There has to be something causing these 4th and long collapses in these situations. It happens too goddamn consistently for it to be a coincidence.

 

[rossihunter2]

I assume we're talking about the 47 yarder or whatever to Hill on 4th and 9? Not at all Jimmy and I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

My guess is a Tampa 2. Two deep safety shell, Mosley that far downfield, Jimmy forcing an inside release while staying underneath. I'm 99% certain that was Tampa 2 and that makes it 100% on CJ Mosley.

@allblackraven @rossihunter2 since I saw you two "agree" as well.

im gonna be really interested in the all-22 - it's really hard to see from the camera angle what's going on but you might be right - from the way the underneath plays out it does look like it might be tampa 2 albeit yet again that's a crazy difficult ask to have CJ drop that far from the LoS vs those receivers

and tbf he was in decent position and looks like he kinda trips/slips at the end

 

[JoeyFlex5]

It even happens to Tom Brady...unless its obviously the QBs fault because they sit in the pocket for 3 years, ive always thought it was kind of stupid to blame a qb for a strip sack. Especially if its a quick developing play.

It’s stupid when it’s a blitz that should be seen. When the DE just wins the rush and gets there in a fucking blink of an eye, it isn’t his fault. That was a quick release play and it happened quick as hell

 

[29BmoreBird22]

im gonna be really interested in the all-22 - it's really hard to see from the camera angle what's going on but you might be right - from the way the underneath plays out it does look like it might be tampa 2 albeit yet again that's a crazy difficult ask to have CJ drop that far from the LoS vs those receivers

and tbf he was in decent position and looks like he kinda trips/slips at the end

@allblackraven I'll loop you in here, but...

Yeah, I mean, Mosley wasn't in terrible position, but that's not a battle I'd like to have out on the field on fourth down. It certainly perplexes me that the Ravens, with Humphrey, Carr, Young, and Smith, didn't feel comfortable going man and putting their faith in their receivers on fourth down.

 

[Tru11]

Lol maybe in games where Joe throws three or more times than Lamar does it’s equal or

more like any time joe has to throw at all.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think this game gives the team some juice moving forward. They took it to the chiefs and honestly did everything but finish, they played the chiefs better than any team but the rams and pats, they showed the nfl that defense and run game can slow down any game and turn it into a slobber knocker no matter how high flying your offense is. I think that now, our guys will be confident going forward that they have laid the foundation for what it takes to win, regardless of the opponent. We don’t have to counter teams, we don’t have to overcompensate or worry about offensive matchups and exploits, we run the goddamn rock and punish teams into submission, and it works, as long as our defense doesn’t blow it and give up a late miracle play

 

[JoeyFlex5]

@allblackraven I'll loop you in here, but...

Yeah, I mean, Mosley wasn't in terrible position, but that's not a battle I'd like to have out on the field on fourth down. It certainly perplexes me that the Ravens, with Humphrey, Carr, Young, and Smith, didn't feel comfortable going man and putting their faith in their receivers on fourth down.

I’m pissed because Mosley was in position and slipped, how fucking unlucky and typical of the ravens.

Mosley needs to be 15-20 lbs lighter next year or he won’t be worth the money. He’s gotten too heavy and it’s a problem. His best year was his rookie year when he was playing in the upper 230s/lower 240s

 

[allblackraven]

@allblackraven I'll loop you in here, but...

Yeah, I mean, Mosley wasn't in terrible position, but that's not a battle I'd like to have out on the field on fourth down. It certainly perplexes me that the Ravens, with Humphrey, Carr, Young, and Smith, didn't feel comfortable going man and putting their faith in their receivers on fourth down.

Maybe it went like this:

"CJ, you cover Hill out of slot. If he beats you but you're close, we'll put a franchise tag on you. If you make a play, here's 5 years $60mil contract"