Lamar Jackson

[RavensMania]

We need to wait until game 13, then Fire marty, repeat 2012.

doesn't that only work if it's after the skins game.

 

[Dom McRaven]

doesn't that only work if it's after the skins game.

Last time we fired an OC after a Skins game, we hired M***y. Oh how ironic.

 

[RavensMania]

Last time we fired an OC after a Skins game, we hired M***y. Oh how ironic.

Super Bowl or bust

 

[flynismo]

It can be. Anyone who has played sports has seen a pitcher get more accurate, a basketball player improve his 3 point shooting and a QB
get more accurate on his throws.

Yes, it can be helped somewhat. But you are not going to be "coached up" and go from an inaccurate passer to an accurate one. You cannot teach accuracy any more than you can arm strength. If you could, there would be no such thing as inaccurate QBs in the NFL.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Yes, it can be helped somewhat. But you are not going to be "coached up" and go from an inaccurate passer to an accurate one. You cannot teach accuracy any more than you can arm strength. If you could, there would be no such thing as inaccurate QBs in the NFL.

You can’t teach accuracy but it is a fact that you can teach better mechanics and anticipation and chemistry can be built with reps, leading to more consistent accuracy and balls being caught more consistently

 

[RavensMania]

You can’t teach accuracy but it is a fact that you can teach better mechanics and anticipation and chemistry can be built with reps, leading to more consistent accuracy and balls being caught more consistently

part of this will also come with being better a pre and post snap reads and throwing receivers open

 

[flynismo]

You can’t teach accuracy but it is a fact that you can teach better mechanics and anticipation and chemistry can be built with reps, leading to more consistent accuracy and balls being caught more consistently

I'm not debating that; mechanics and footwork can be improved. That does not necessarily equate into more accurate throws, unless your throwing motion or feet are terrible to begin with, but it will usually reduce the amount of grossly errant throws. It can help somewhat with your placement. For example -- something I figured out on my own a long time ago is that if you point your left shoulder to where you want the ball to land, I became slightly more accurate and a lot more consistent in placing the ball where I want it. So I do agree your consistency can be "coached up" given enough time.

As to the second part of your sentence, I actually think Lamar has very nice touch on his passes; he always has.

 

[flynismo]

So Flacco should never be compared to Eli? He's a highly accomplished 2X SB MVP. I'll never get your infatuation of Flacco, but it is what it is. You are putting the Flacco up on a pedestal...

And your check down argument doesn't float. The offense changed, yes, but guys were getting open and Flacco was flat out missing them.

This year, same weapons, Lamar's YPA was higher as well.

If anything, we should be wondering why we'd go from one QB with obvious accuracy issues to another, though Lamar's physical talents have helped ease him into the league. The good news is he didn't have many weapons at Louisville, so he should be right at home here. We better bring in a mind who wants him to excel as a passer and not rely on a similar offense cause if not, these guys will ruin him.

Putting Flacco on a pedestal? No, just recognizing him for what he was when healthy and in his prime. He hasn't been either of those things for a couple years. When he was, he probably had the nastiest deep ball in the game and threw into windows that only the elite QBs would even attempt. He made Torrey Smith look like he belonged in the NFL. Many of the receivers we brought in openly stated Flacco was one of the reasons they chose to come to Baltimore. Call it what you want, but those are just facts, I don't see it as putting him on a pedestal just because you don't particularly like him.
You also say that Flacco was missing open receivers and Lamar's YPA was better, but no mention of how we were leading the league in dropped passes at one point in the season or that Flacco threw for literally twice as many yards and TDs in roughly the same amount of games? Flacco was awful by his standards for a 3-4 game stretch before getting hurt, and Lamar is still nowhere near a Flacco that is a shell of his former self. That is my whole point behind saying we should stop comparing him to Flacco or anyone else. He is a unique player with his own strengths and weaknesses. He'll never be as good as prime Flacco as a pure passer. Hell, with these coaches, he may never be 2018 Flacco.

I have no idea where you're going with the Eli comment, of course two SB winning QBs can be compared to each other. However, a raw rookie who did not complete a single pass in two hours cannot be compared to Flacco.

 

[redrum52]

Putting Flacco on a pedestal? No, just recognizing him for what he was when healthy and in his prime. He hasn't been either of those things for a couple years. When he was, he probably had the nastiest deep ball in the game and threw into windows that only the elite QBs would even attempt. He made Torrey Smith look like he belonged in the NFL. Many of the receivers we brought in openly stated Flacco was one of the reasons they chose to come to Baltimore. Call it what you want, but those are just facts, I don't see it as putting him on a pedestal just because you don't particularly like him.
You also say that Flacco was missing open receivers and Lamar's YPA was better, but no mention of how we were leading the league in dropped passes at one point in the season or that Flacco threw for literally twice as many yards and TDs in roughly the same amount of games? Flacco was awful by his standards for a 3-4 game stretch before getting hurt, and Lamar is still nowhere near a Flacco that is a shell of his former self. That is my whole point behind saying we should stop comparing him to Flacco or anyone else. He is a unique player with his own strengths and weaknesses. He'll never be as good as prime Flacco as a pure passer. Hell, with these coaches, he may never be 2018 Flacco.

I have no idea where you're going with the Eli comment, of course two SB winning QBs can be compared to each other. However, a raw rookie who did not complete a single pass in two hours cannot be compared to Flacco.

Before I start this, I just want to make this clear. I have no problem with 99% of what you've said about Lamar. We've been going at this for years and I somewhat admire your dedication to that man. Just think you crossed the line with the dumb comment aimed at Jackson, but that's about it.

The pedestal thing was 60% joke(40 year old virgin). Next, I don't dislike Flacco. Great playoff QB where it paid off for one run, but let's not act like Flacco came in lighting it up consistently. Mayfield just essentially put up the same numbers as Flacco did in arguably his best regular season. And you're right about him being "unique." Your wording makes it seem as if Flacco is in some rare air that Lamar has no chance to reach. Also, you say that he didn't complete a pass for 2 hours when it was just last year Flacco went 8/18 for 28 yards and 2 ints.

The Eli comparison was that Eli has 2 rings then so I guess they shouldn't be in the same convo. Probably a dumb comparison but that's how I saw the Lamar and Flacco analogy. All bullshit aside, why not give Lamar the leeway you gave your boy? That's it. If we're still running this same type of offense in year 3 and there's no growth, you'll be saying I dislike Lamar as well.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm not debating that; mechanics and footwork can be improved. That does not necessarily equate into more accurate throws, unless your throwing motion or feet are terrible to begin with, but it will usually reduce the amount of grossly errant throws. It can help somewhat with your placement. For example -- something I figured out on my own a long time ago is that if you point your left shoulder to where you want the ball to land, I became slightly more accurate and a lot more consistent in placing the ball where I want it. So I do agree your consistency can be "coached up" given enough time.

As to the second part of your sentence, I actually think Lamar has very nice touch on his passes; he always has.

Yeah he’s a good touch thrower, bad driver though, he tries to throw high velocity balls all wrist and elbow, his footwork has come a LONG way but this offseason he has to learn to drive the ball with his hips and shoulders rather than his elbow and wrist.

Doing that, on top of getting those lower body motions to come as second nature(which may take a few years) will be huge for him, I have faith that the chemistry and anticipation part will come, he’s no dummy back there and it’s just gonna take time

 

[TheCity55]

Putting Flacco on a pedestal? No, just recognizing him for what he was when healthy and in his prime. He hasn't been either of those things for a couple years. When he was, he probably had the nastiest deep ball in the game and threw into windows that only the elite QBs would even attempt. He made Torrey Smith look like he belonged in the NFL. Many of the receivers we brought in openly stated Flacco was one of the reasons they chose to come to Baltimore. Call it what you want, but those are just facts, I don't see it as putting him on a pedestal just because you don't particularly like him.
You also say that Flacco was missing open receivers and Lamar's YPA was better, but no mention of how we were leading the league in dropped passes at one point in the season or that Flacco threw for literally twice as many yards and TDs in roughly the same amount of games? Flacco was awful by his standards for a 3-4 game stretch before getting hurt, and Lamar is still nowhere near a Flacco that is a shell of his former self. That is my whole point behind saying we should stop comparing him to Flacco or anyone else. He is a unique player with his own strengths and weaknesses. He'll never be as good as prime Flacco as a pure passer. Hell, with these coaches, he may never be 2018 Flacco.

I have no idea where you're going with the Eli comment, of course two SB winning QBs can be compared to each other. However, a raw rookie who did not complete a single pass in two hours cannot be compared to Flacco.

I get it, it hasn’t been great since he got paid but lets be honest here, we could have done alot worse then Joe and im happy that he was a Raven. 11 years is a long time and i will be rooting for him whever ever he goes and you know what, if he goes to the right team he could very well win himself another ring, I surely wouldn’t doubt it.

 

[cdp]

Does Lamar have a personal qb coach or who did he work with for the draft? Jordan Palmer could probably help him.

 

[The Greek]

if lamar is awful next season than there is always lawrence or herbert in 2020. lets hope he improves in the passing game and cuts out the fumbling issue but i believe marty is a problem as well. he is too slow with in game adjustments and takes to long to change things up when we are behind. been like this since he has been here

 

[allblackraven]

if lamar is awful next season than there is always lawrence or herbert in 2020. lets hope he improves in the passing game and cuts out the fumbling issue but i believe marty is a problem as well. he is too slow with in game adjustments and takes to long to change things up when we are behind. been like this since he has been here

There isn't Lawrence, he will be junior in 2020.

Besides, Lamar should be given way more time than one full season.

 

[Ellicottraven]

if lamar is awful next season than there is always lawrence or herbert in 2020. lets hope he improves in the passing game and cuts out the fumbling issue but i believe marty is a problem as well. he is too slow with in game adjustments and takes to long to change things up when we are behind. been like this since he has been here

I don't get why you guys think his passing is awful when Baker Mayfield before Kitchens as OC was far worse than him. The only concern I have for LJ is his fumbling. As for passing he's going to be better than fine with the right OC, play calling and coaching. Check out Baker's stats before Kitchens was his OC....
"Baker Mayfield pre-Freddie Kitchens as his OC: 130-of-223 (56.5%), 1,471 yards, 8 TD, 6 INT"
"Lamar Jackson with an option offense created on the fly: 99-170 (58.2%), 1,201yards 6TD, 3 INT"

Baker was a whole lot better after Freddie Kitchens became OC, so make Roman his full time OC and another year under Urban and then things will dramatically change. But he needs to work on not fumbling the ball, but again like Harbaugh said in his presser with a full off season working on the same offense where hand offs are critical fumbles will reduce as well.

 

[Ellicottraven]

Does Lamar have a personal qb coach or who did he work with for the draft? Jordan Palmer could probably help him.

I think he needs to give Mike Vick a call. Jordan Palmer is a very good QB coach but he's mostly coached pocket passing type QBs for the draft I believe.

 

[Grim]

I think he needs to give Mike Vick a call. Jordan Palmer is a very good QB coach but he's mostly coached pocket passing type QBs for the draft I believe.

Send him to 3DQB. Brees, Brady, Ryan, Stafford all used them before.

 

[rossihunter2]

I think he needs to give Mike Vick a call. Jordan Palmer is a very good QB coach but he's mostly coached pocket passing type QBs for the draft I believe.

i think mike vick mentioned on a guest appearance on one of the talking heads shows that he was gonna talk to lamar this offseason about stuff anyway

 

[flynismo]

Before I start this, I just want to make this clear. I have no problem with 99% of what you've said about Lamar. We've been going at this for years and I somewhat admire your dedication to that man. Just think you crossed the line with the dumb comment aimed at Jackson, but that's about it.

The pedestal thing was 60% joke(40 year old virgin). Next, I don't dislike Flacco. Great playoff QB where it paid off for one run, but let's not act like Flacco came in lighting it up consistently. Mayfield just essentially put up the same numbers as Flacco did in arguably his best regular season. And you're right about him being "unique." Your wording makes it seem as if Flacco is in some rare air that Lamar has no chance to reach. Also, you say that he didn't complete a pass for 2 hours when it was just last year Flacco went 8/18 for 28 yards and 2 ints.

The Eli comparison was that Eli has 2 rings then so I guess they shouldn't be in the same convo. Probably a dumb comparison but that's how I saw the Lamar and Flacco analogy. All bullshit aside, why not give Lamar the leeway you gave your boy? That's it. If we're still running this same type of offense in year 3 and there's no growth, you'll be saying I dislike Lamar as well.

I actually think I do give Lamar plenty of leeway; not that my or your or anyone's opinion of him or Flacco means much in the grand scheme of things...and hell, not to pat myself on the back, but I predicted that Mayfield and Lamar would be the best QBs from this draft and I nearly shit myself when we pulled the trigger and grabbed Lamar. I was excited to get him as I was when we drafted Flacco.

In case anyone got the wrong idea, my opinion is that these coaches are going to make or break Lamar. I have complete faith that in good hands, Lamar would eventually become a shit stomping monster. So with that being said, he is not in good hands. He is in the hands of the people who took Flacco, a guy who made his mark in this league by throwing bombs on urrbody and was widely recognized by media and players as the premier deep passer in the league, and turned him into Checkdown Charlie. These are the people we are trusting to bring the best out of Lamar.
So there lies my frustration. These idiots are going to ruin him. Rather than let him loose and grow as a passer like I clamored for -- because I KNOW Lamar can handle it even if these idiot coaches don't -- they pulled that shit last week. So now if Lamar is going to realize his potential, he has to say fuck the coaches and do it on his own. I'm upset because these fuckers are going to go and break my heart; all my excitement and hopes and dreams when we called Lamar's name are dwindling each week. It's the same feeling I have had these past three years watching Flacco throw designed 4 yard dumps to TE's and RBs. Maybe it isn't fair to take it out on Lamar, but fuck man...

 

[flynismo]

I get it, it hasn’t been great since he got paid but lets be honest here, we could have done alot worse then Joe and im happy that he was a Raven. 11 years is a long time and i will be rooting for him whever ever he goes and you know what, if he goes to the right team he could very well win himself another ring, I surely wouldn’t doubt it.

Preaching to the choir, friend. I'm the self-appointed President of the Flacco Homer Association.
And I agree. If he goes to NYG and gets to work with guys like OBJ, Barkley, Engram, etc, well, I feel sorry for the NFC.