Signings, Cuts, Trades

[Sami84]

Shaq Lawson might be available in FA

Smart one to get IMO. He's not as streaky as judon but a better overall player.

 

[RavensMania]

Smart one to get IMO. He's not as streaky as judon but a better overall player.

played over 300 less snaps than Judon did this year and had 40 pressures with 7 sacks. Of course Lawson plays DE (both sides)

 

[Charm City]

Smart one to get IMO. He's not as streaky as judon but a better overall player.

And he's three years younger at 25 years old. We could entice him with a shorter length contract like we did with Peters that would allow him to hit free agency before he turns 30

 

[Sami84]

forgive me for being confused about our cap but how in the hell don't we have more cap than we do ( even taking into acount poential cuts)

We're only really paying big to Earl, Marcus and Brandon at this point..

how the hell are we still in the bottom third in cap space?

 

[JAAM]

forgive me for being confused about our cap but how in the hell don't we have more cap than we do ( even taking into acount poential cuts)

We're only really paying big to Earl, Marcus and Brandon at this point..

how the hell are we still in the bottom third in cap space?

I second this. I thought we’d have more

 

[RavensMania]

forgive me for being confused about our cap but how in the hell don't we have more cap than we do ( even taking into acount poential cuts)

We're only really paying big to Earl, Marcus and Brandon at this point..

how the hell are we still in the bottom third in cap space?

add Ronnie 12.8m, Tony Jefferson 11.1m and Yanda 11m

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/

Another reason is that we have been extending players early. Basically from last offseason though this season that has lowered our available cap number. That being said, those dollars would have still had to been used at one point. We just did it early and that typically is much more efficient.

 

[D1City55]

When I said last year I meant "this" year considering our season had a premature ending. Regarding my point on blitzing, having a blitz picked up means that they used one of their blockers to occupy the extra rusher, meaning Judon has a higher likelihood of being left 1v1.

In regards to Kittle, Judon on rookie contract can get stood up by Kittle. Judon on a $16mil+/yr contract cannot and should not be taken out of a play by a TE, idc if he's the best blocking TE in the league. Ryan Kerrigan is 31 years old and had 5.5 sacks last year. I don't want my expensive edge player compared to him in any way.

A Blitz picked up also has to do with the offense thats design, Judon can't get to the QB if the ball is out in less then two seconds. Also, like I said we've asked him to drop back into coverage on plenty of those blitzes so it's not like he's always blitzing himself.

As far as Kittle is concerned, it's happened to a lot of other guys. I don't want to sugercoat it but Kittle is just that great of a blocker. Like I said, we might have not seen a TE block with such authority. You're focusing too much on the position instead of the player himself, he's asked to block DEs on a regular basis so I don't think there's shame in getting blocked out by him, this isn't Jimmy Graham or Eric Ebron we're talking about. And who cares about Ryan Kerrigan stats for this year, He missed five games and prior to this year, he had double digit sacks, I would be ecstatic to have him personally. If Judon becomes the player that Kerrigan is when Kerrigan is healthy, then I would be more then happy to accept that. Speaking of Kerrigan, I would absolutely love to have him here opposite of Judon. That's honestly one of my dream additions.

 

[D1City55]

Yes, I think we'd consider 4yr/$64M a bargain for Judon.

Z got 4yr/$66 last year. One can say Judon isn't at Zs level - but I think they were certainly comparable at the time Z signed end of last year. Spotrac gives his market value at 4yr/$65M and uses Z as one of his comps.

If we offer that before FA opens, it is hard to say ... That may be enough to retain him. A lot will come down to how much guaranteed $ is in it. From there, it will come down to whether Judon thinks he'd get significantly more on the open market and wants to push it.

We'll see what happens, he will have some competition in the open market and if it does indeed dry up then he could be looking at a deal that Z got which in no way is bad by any means for either side. It only takes one team to overpay him.

 

[Sami84]

add Ronnie 12.8m, Tony Jefferson 11.1m and Yanda 11m

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/

Another reason is that we have been extending players early. Basically from last offseason though this season that has lowered our available cap number. That being said, those dollars would have still had to been used at one point. We just did it early and that typically is much more efficient.

well, tony is as good as gone and i have a feeling Yanda is going to hang it up.

that would release around 14 million in available cap space no?

 

[RavensMania]

well, tony is as good as gone and i have a feeling Yanda is going to hang it up.

that would release around 14 million in available cap space no?

we save 13m. 6 for TJ and 7 for Yanda

 

[JAAM]

we save 13m. 6 for TJ and 7 for Yanda

6 for TJ is nice. I don’t even want to think about Yanda though

 

[JAAM]

We’re going to be aggressive this offseason, regardless of if it’s a trade or signing. I have a good feeling. Probably going to re-open talks with the Jets about Prez as well. Bookmark this y’all.

 

[rmcjacket23]

We'll see what happens, he will have some competition in the open market and if it does indeed dry up then he could be looking at a deal that Z got which in no way is bad by any means for either side. It only takes one team to overpay him.

Problem for us, I think, will be the guaranteed money. People talk about the size of ZaDarius' deal... he got $20M guaranteed, which was his signing bonus. That's 30% of his contract value. Like you could sign Judon to a $100M deal, but if only like $30M of it is guaranteed, it means nothing.

My opinion is Judon will do quite a bit better in the guaranteed money department, which is when I think you'll see the Ravens getting priced out.

What's quite shocking to me is while the team says Judon is a high priority, they also already hedged themselves by effectively saying "it will be difficult to sign him". Generally speaking, the Ravens have done a great job of keeping core players they've wanted, and are willing to open up the wallet for certain guys. The fact that a team with like $35M in cap space, and the ability to create at least $5-10M more, is already hedging against losing its priority resign, means they already think they're going to get priced out.

 

[RavensMania]

A Blitz picked up also has to do with the offense thats design, Judon can't get to the QB if the ball is out in less then two seconds. Also, like I said we've asked him to drop back into coverage on plenty of those blitzes so it's not like he's always blitzing himself.

As far as Kittle is concerned, it's happened to a lot of other guys. I don't want to sugercoat it but Kittle is just that great of a blocker. Like I said, we might have not seen a TE block with such authority. You're focusing too much on the position instead of the player himself, he's asked to block DEs on a regular basis so I don't think there's shame in getting blocked out by him, this isn't Jimmy Graham or Eric Ebron we're talking about. And who cares about Ryan Kerrigan stats for this year, He missed five games and prior to this year, he had double digit sacks, I would be ecstatic to have him personally. If Judon becomes the player that Kerrigan is when Kerrigan is healthy, then I would be more then happy to accept that. Speaking of Kerrigan, I would absolutely love to have him here opposite of Judon. That's honestly one of my dream additions.

I mentioned the Skins may end trying to trade or even cutting him to clear up the 11m in cap space. Sure they have plenty of space, but could be looking to rebuild and defensive line assuming they draft Chase Young is one of the positions they have talent. I'd also like Kerrigan on this team and would end up being a classic underrated Ravens signing.

 

[Sami84]

I mentioned the Skins may end trying to trade or even cutting him to clear up the 11m in cap space. Sure they have plenty of space, but could be looking to rebuild and defensive line assuming they draft Chase Young is one of the positions they have talent. I'd also like Kerrigan on this team and would end up being a classic underrated Ravens signing.

normally i'd be all for a guy like kerrigan

but i've been watching him for the past couple of seasons and he's just not that good anymore. Don't get me wrong, he gets sacks but i don't see that explosion.

Maybe it was injuries this year. For cheap though?..hell yeah

 

[RavensMania]

normally i'd be all for a guy like kerrigan

but i've been watching him for the past couple of seasons and he's just not that good anymore

Although I can't say I've watched that much of him, due to avoiding the skins as much as possible, I can say he would do much better in a Wink defense than the Skins previous coordinators.

He was injured for 5 games this year, but in 2018 these were his stats, since I have nothing else to go on. He had 13 sacks and 61 pressures.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I mentioned the Skins may end trying to trade or even cutting him to clear up the 11m in cap space. Sure they have plenty of space, but could be looking to rebuild and defensive line assuming they draft Chase Young is one of the positions they have talent. I'd also like Kerrigan on this team and would end up being a classic underrated Ravens signing.

While I think its possible, I'm sort of always skeptical that teams with an abundance of cap space, who even may be rebuilding, are instantly going to start cutting veterans.

Like if I look at the Redskins cap situation, they've got $46.1M in space right now, and that's with 63 players under contract. Of the players they're likely to cut, Josh Norman is a mortal lock, since he was benched and has the 2nd highest cap number on that team at $15.4M. Cutting him saves like $12.4M. Trent Williams counts $14.5M, with $12M in cap savings, and nobody knows if he will show up to play or not. If he sticks to his trade demand, my money would be on him getting his wish, so that's another $12M. A guy like Jordan Reed, who basically never plays, has a $10.3M cap hit that could easily be let go for like $8.5M in savings.

There's three high priced players who made essentially zero contribution to the team last year that I think the Skins would easily consider moving on from long before they move on from Kerrigan.

So even if they kept Trent, I think Norman and Reed are locks to be gone (or at the very least take large pay cuts), which could create close to $20M in additional cap space. That would put them up over $65M in available space.

Like maybe Daniel Snyder decides this year he's just not going to spend a dime on anybody, but I personally doubt it. And I think he'll find it very difficult to get that organization to spend $50-60M in free agency this year, given how poorly they're perceived league-wide.

 

[RavensMania]

While I think its possible, I'm sort of always skeptical that teams with an abundance of cap space, who even may be rebuilding, are instantly going to start cutting veterans.

Like if I look at the Redskins cap situation, they've got $46.1M in space right now, and that's with 63 players under contract. Of the players they're likely to cut, Josh Norman is a mortal lock, since he was benched and has the 2nd highest cap number on that team at $15.4M. Cutting him saves like $12.4M. Trent Williams counts $14.5M, with $12M in cap savings, and nobody knows if he will show up to play or not. If he sticks to his trade demand, my money would be on him getting his wish, so that's another $12M. A guy like Jordan Reed, who basically never plays, has a $10.3M cap hit that could easily be let go for like $8.5M in savings.

There's three high priced players who made essentially zero contribution to the team last year that I think the Skins would easily consider moving on from long before they move on from Kerrigan.

So even if they kept Trent, I think Norman and Reed are locks to be gone (or at the very least take large pay cuts), which could create close to $20M in additional cap space. That would put them up over $65M in available space.

Like maybe Daniel Snyder decides this year he's just not going to spend a dime on anybody, but I personally doubt it. And I think he'll find it very difficult to get that organization to spend $50-60M in free agency this year, given how poorly they're perceived league-wide.

you're probably right, he won't get cut and there is a decent chance Trent Williams does stick around with Bruce Allen and the medical staff completely changed. I knew they had a bunch of space and could make more, but I was dreaming. Thanks for waking me up!

 

[rmcjacket23]

you're probably right, he won't get cut and there is a decent chance Trent Williams does stick around with Bruce Allen and the medical staff completely changed. I knew they had a bunch of space and could make more, but I was dreaming. Thanks for waking me up!

I'm not saying it won't happen. It certainly could. The logic behind it from a non-monetary standpoint makes plenty of sense... aging player with some durability concerns, in final year of his contract, on a rebuilding team that likely won't have him back in 2021.

All of those are perfectly valid reasons to let him go. I just think from a salary cap perspective, its not like they need the money. Unless they're planning to spend max $ on like 3-4 super high priced FAs, which they could, I think he's more likely to stay than go.

And in a way, I think that's the "new" NFL. There are so many teams with so much money to spend, I think half the time teams generally struggle with finding enough players to spend their money on. I think 5-10 years ago it was the norm that many teams needed to slash payroll/cap space in order to resign good players or to add veteran talent to their roster. These days, there's like maybe 5-6 teams in the entire league who have actual salary cap restraints. Everybody else has at least $20-30M to spend, the ability to create more as needed, and can largely structure deals to fit pretty much anybody they want under the cap.

And it used to be that contenders were always cap-strapped. Not anywhere close anymore. Houston, Tennessee, Seattle, Buffalo... all highly competitive teams who have gigantic amounts of money available to them. Ravens and Patriots, two teams who seemingly always are pinching pennies, have plenty of money.

 

[RavensMania]

I'm not saying it won't happen. It certainly could. The logic behind it from a non-monetary standpoint makes plenty of sense... aging player with some durability concerns, in final year of his contract, on a rebuilding team that likely won't have him back in 2021.

All of those are perfectly valid reasons to let him go. I just think from a salary cap perspective, its not like they need the money. Unless they're planning to spend max $ on like 3-4 super high priced FAs, which they could, I think he's more likely to stay than go.

I don't really think they will cut him as he has some trade value, albeit not that much with only one year remaining on his contract.