Signings, Cuts, Trades

[rossihunter2]

Lot of teams win divisions and spot in playoffs in March.

Haha when was the last time a team that won the offseason actually a great team?

 

[rossihunter2]

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[JoeyFlex5]

Time to get triggered! This is what I've been feeling..we havent really improved overall. overall we're not as good of a football team and behold..a couple of hours ago this was posted.

Yandas retirement is a huge factor at play, first of all. Second, that’s a pff metric, how are the browns so high when all they did was sign Conklin and hooper and pff basically hates those guys.

smells like bullshit

 

[Davesta]

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Texans fans everywhere praying..

 

[Sami84]

Yandas retirement is a huge factor at play, first of all. Second, that’s a pff metric, how are the browns so high when all they did was sign Conklin and hooper and pff basically hates those guys.

smells like bullshit

it's based on who they are replacing and if the position was upgraded and what's been lost. Conklin is a very good tackle and hooper is a top 10 TE for sure. Their PFF grades are good btw.

Pierce is a better player than brockers and younger. brockers is a better pass rush player ( but he's hardly elite, he's more along the lines of chris canty) So we basically signed campbell.

PFF say we're still going to have to use creative bltiz packages because we havent addressed the pass rush enough yet for 4 men to win out.

 

[RavensMania]

Time to get triggered! This is what I've been feeling..we havent really improved overall. overall we're not as good of a football team and behold..a couple of hours ago this was posted.

of course we aren't. Losing Yanda was a huge blow and we will never have a Yanda again at RT. I'm not being negative, but I'm being realistic. He isn't replaceable, we just need to get someone that is a good player, but I'm not expecting great. We are better on the DL at the moment and if Judon is traded we are better on the interior, but worse on the edge. Just sit back, be patient and watch the master.

 

[RavensMania]

it's based on who they are replacing and if the position was upgraded and what's been lost. Conklin is a very good tackle and hooper is a top 10 TE for sure. Their PFF grades are good btw.

Pierce is a better player than brockers and younger. brockers is a better pass rush player ( but he's hardly elite, he's more along the lines of chris canty) So we basically signed campbell.

PFF say we're still going to have to use creative bltiz packages because we havent addressed the pass rush enough yet for 4 men to win out.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement and never expected us not to blitz 4 or under. I don't think it's in Wink's DNA. Brockers is one of the best run stoppers in the league and much better than Pierce and they both are about the same in pass rush ability. The only thing that Pierce had an advantage over Brockers was his age. Neither offered pass rush ability though, however according to Aaron Donald, he is the best run stopper in the league.

 

[RavensMania]

Haha when was the last time a team that won the offseason actually a great team?

never

 

[Charm City]

Time to get triggered! This is what I've been feeling..we havent really improved overall. overall we're not as good of a football team and behold..a couple of hours ago this was posted.

Considering we've "lost" Yanda, Jimmy, Pierce, Hurst, Carr, and Bynes (who was really highly ranked last year), and we've only added Campbell and Brockers, I would say that we are about even rn, which makes sense. Teams that are 14-2 rarely have the ability to move up that much in WAR or any other metric because they are usually up against the cap and remediation to the mean is a thing. Also remember that draft picks aren't taken into account in that metric, and we got a second for Hurst and the Colts, who were near the top, won't get an extra bump cuz they gave away pick 13

 

[JoeyFlex5]

it's based on who they are replacing and if the position was upgraded and what's been lost. Conklin is a very good tackle and hooper is a top 10 TE for sure. Their PFF grades are good btw.

Pierce is a better player than brockers and younger. brockers is a better pass rush player ( but he's hardly elite, he's more along the lines of chris canty) So we basically signed campbell.

PFF say we're still going to have to use creative bltiz packages because we havent addressed the pass rush enough yet for 4 men to win out.

Ok, but we’re gonna blitz anyway. It’s a good thing when you can have a top 5 unit by consistently blitzing more than the rest of the league. That’s why we have the secondary that we have, so we can do these things. Pittsburgh won 2 Super Bowls off of that philosophy.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I think jimmy seeing his market not as big as he had expected, he would gladly come back to Baltimore for a little bit less than other teams are offering.

for some odd reason I actually think jimmy was sincere earlier in the year when he talked hometown discount

I'm all for bringing Jimmy back. My problem is this...

What does a "not big market" look like? I think a lot of people thought Jimmy could get a deal pretty similar to the one he was recently playing under (maybe a bit shorter)... probably around $10M a year on a 2-3 year deal. Obviously the Ravens aren't in that market, but just because he didn't sign in the first day or two doesn't mean that's not where his market is.

That being said... can the Ravens even afford to pay $6-7M a year? In my eyes... probably not. Maybe on a 3 year deal with a really low first year cap hit, but Jimmy's not the kind of player I want to commit to for more than a year or two, nor is it somebody I'd want to be pushing significant salary cap into the future on.

Like a "non-market" for a player like Jimmy, in my eyes, is still at least $6-7M a year. And the Ravens really can't afford just a one year, "prove it deal", because that'll be straight salary cap.

Like most, I'm of the mindset that the longer they're on the market, the lower the price goes. But I think if Ravens fans are thinking a hometown discount is like a $3-4M a year payday, I think they're sorely mistaken. I'm still expecting him to sign a 2-3 year deal in the $8-10M per year range. Still a lot of teams with a lot of cap to spend, and a lot of those teams need Corner help. Especially true of the teams that missed out on the Jones/Bradberry sweepstakes.

 

[Sami84]

Ok, but we’re gonna blitz anyway. It’s a good thing when you can have a top 5 unit by consistently blitzing more than the rest of the league. That’s why we have the secondary that we have, so we can do these things. Pittsburgh won 2 Super Bowls off of that philosophy.

then why did we sign brockers? What purpose did it serve? Why didn't we upgrade elsewhere? we could just continue with what we had last year no?
We didn't upgrade our pass rush that much. We made it slightly better but not the point where it changed from a weakness to a strength
I undersrand campbell. Brockers? not so much

 

[rmcjacket23]

Not only that... they restructured Ben and at least one other contract I believe to create the cap space to do so. The Steelers are notorious credit card users when it comes to the salary cap... they constantly push bad contracts into future years.

Per Spotrac, even after accounting for Foster retiring and them cutting Mark Barron, they're still $8M over the cap currently. I know they converted Ben's salary into a bonus, which saves about $4.25M I believe, but they'll still need to cut another $4-5M at least in the next 24 hours. My guess is they'll decline Vance McDonald's option, which would free up about $5.5M, among other moves.

I've been telling people this all offseason about the Steelers... while I have no doubt they'll be better with Ben, they're going to lose some key role players on that team, they have virtually no ability to create salary cap capital to sign new players without cutting somebody significant (DeCastro, Heyward, Haden, Pouncey), and they essentially only have two draft picks in the top 100.

I don't see many ways where they have an improved roster in 2020, meaning they'll need everybody to play at a comparable or better level than 2019 in order to consistently compete. I have my doubts.

I also love the fact that Ben now has like a $36M cap hit in 2021.

Replying to my own post, but clarifying the #s...

Steelers shaved $10M off Ben's 2020 cap. His cap hit in 2021 is now a whopping $41.5M, with $22.5M in dead money. So they'll either need to extend a then 39 year old QB with major elbow problems prior to next season, keep him at a $41.5M cap hit, or cut him and absorb $22.5M in dead money.

 

[rmcjacket23]

then why did we sign brockers? What purpose did it serve? Why didn't we upgrade elsewhere? we could just continue with what we had last year no?
We didn't upgrade our pass rush that much. We made it slightly better but not the point where it changed from a weakness to a strength
I undersrand campbell. Brockers? not so much

To still be able to stop the run, mostly. If we didn't sign Brockers, I'm assuming we would have made every effort to retain Pierce. If we did neither, how confident would you be that teams couldn't do to us what we do them, which is run for 150-200 yards a game on them?

You think a front 7 of Brandon Williams, Calais Campbell, and a group of largely backup linebackers like Fort, Bynes, etc. is going to stop any team that's effective in running the ball?

Heck, I'm looking just at our division. Browns bring in Stefanski, who loves to run the ball, and have a very formidable backfield in Chubb and Hunt. The last thing they're going to want to do is give Mayfield 600+ pass attempts.

The Steelers have an old QB, with a very limited receiving core, with major elbow problems. They don't even know if he'll be ready to play yet. You think their game plan is the 2018 version of Ben, who had 675 pass attempts?

And then you have the Bengals, who will be starting a rookie QB. You think their plan is 600+ pass attempts for a rookie in a division that fields three pretty good secondaries?

If I'm playing the Ravens, even now with Brockers, my game plan would be simple... pound, pound, pound. Its not going to be to test the secondary.

 

[cdp]

To still be able to stop the run, mostly. If we didn't sign Brockers, I'm assuming we would have made every effort to retain Pierce. If we did neither, how confident would you be that teams couldn't do to us what we do them, which is run for 150-200 yards a game on them?

You think a front 7 of Brandon Williams, Calais Campbell, and a group of largely backup linebackers like Fort, Bynes, etc. is going to stop any team that's effective in running the ball?

Heck, I'm looking just at our division. Browns bring in Stefanski, who loves to run the ball, and have a very formidable backfield in Chubb and Hunt. The last thing they're going to want to do is give Mayfield 600+ pass attempts.

The Steelers have an old QB, with a very limited receiving core, with major elbow problems. They don't even know if he'll be ready to play yet. You think their game plan is the 2018 version of Ben, who had 675 pass attempts?

And then you have the Bengals, who will be starting a rookie QB. You think their plan is 600+ pass attempts for a rookie in a division that fields three pretty good secondaries?

If I'm playing the Ravens, even now with Brockers, my game plan would be simple... pound, pound, pound. Its not going to be to test the secondary.

We're still playing the comp picks game and that's why I guess we haven't signed anybody since Brockers. Peanut and Pierce probably have to sign somewhere before we can make a move again.
and I've seen on twitter that the Seahawks are in talks with DeCosta to trade for Judon

 

[Simba]

We're still playing the comp picks game and that's why I guess we haven't signed anybody since Brockers. Peanut and Pierce probably have to sign somewhere before we can make a move again.
and I've seen on twitter that the Seahawks are in talks with DeCosta to trade for Judon

I don't think they'll even care about the comp picks this year. Seems markets are pretty subdued for our guys. No sense in waiting just to recoup a 5th or 6th.

Cap is the reason we haven't made other moves.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Without knowing the structure of Campbell's deal, the Ravens are sitting at around $7M in cap space if they decline Carr's option.

I'd still love to see a run at Clowney or Fowler and trade away Judon.

 

[Simba]

Without knowing the structure of Campbell's deal, the Ravens are sitting at around $7M in cap space if they decline Carr's option.

I'd still love to see a run at Clowney or Fowler and trade away Judon.

I think the big thing at this point... who's trading away a premium pick and a contract for Judon when you can just sign one of the other 2 and keep the pick? They all have their flaws, but I have a hard time believing there's a team out there that loves Judon enough to trade for him while 2 guys are sitting out there still. I would imagine trade talks would heat up after those 2 sign, and what good does that do us at that point?

 

[cdp]

I don't think they'll even care about the comp picks this year. Seems markets are pretty subdued for our guys. No sense in waiting just to recoup a 5th or 6th.

Cap is the reason we haven't made other moves.

Obviously I should've mentioned these are reason in addition to cap space, but EdC loves his 5ths. Do we have to pick up Carr's option today?

 

[Simba]

Obviously I should've mentioned these are reason in addition to cap space, but EdC loves his 5ths. Do we have to pick up Carr's option today?

I have a hard time believing that EDC is going to bypass a player that can help in favor of a late rounder at this point. Just doesn't make much sense, especially with a seemingly depleted market for our guys.

Yeah we would have to pick it up today, but it's being declined.