General Draft Thoughts

[JoeyFlex5]

I see limited film of Murray in man and he looks spotty in zone. really unsure of how to play crossers or how to handle mesh routes underneath. This is especially important as mesh concepts are employed vs. Dime packages regularly. In other words, I wonder about his ability to be on the field all the time in year one. Unless we bring him off the edge in those settings....which is interesting...perhaps keeping LJ or Alaka at ILB with Kenneth rushing off the edge

This is exactly what I saw from him, he struggles to diagnose the first few steps of the play and doesn’t know who to run with or where to drop and I would imagine if you could see his face hed be damn near cross eyed half the time the way he looks like he’s panicking. He just really lacks that ability to decipher what he’s seeing whenever more than one player is involved, if all he has to do is chase the RB or get to the qb he looks pretty excellent about half the time, but if you need to him watch the qbs eyes and decipher whether to take, for example, the slot vs the TE vs stay shallow and watch the rb, he is completely Lost.

Speaking of S, I really think that could be a sleeper pick. I wouldn't be shocked at all if part of the ILB solution is Chuck Clark/drafted S with a true MIKE later in the draft. Sub packages are pretty much base packages nowadays anyways.

geno Stone is a guy I’ve really gotten fond of, he needs 2nd round hype, imo he’s right behind McKinney and delpit in a second tier of safeties

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think @JoeyFlex5 is right. If there's a RB the ravens should target, it should be CEH. Guys a monster and just a big time weapon. Also had enormous production despite being in the LSU big time passing offense. I don't think there's a chance in hell he's there at 55 though. If he slips out of the first round, might have to consider moving up a little in the second. For me, my top RBs after going back and watching more are actually Taylor, followed by CEH, then Swift. I don't personally like the drop-off to say a jk Dobbins after those 3 to warrant a second round pick, but that's just me.

I always thought Taylor was head and shoulders above the rest as far as being a workhorse back, even with his mileage. CEH has become my favorite all around back though as he’s clearly the most ready as far as nfl offenses go, zack moss is my #3 who i think may be even better as a pure runner than Taylor but not nearly the same breakaway speed, and he’s not nearly the receiver CEH is but he is very solid taking dump offs and swing passes.

 

[rossihunter2]

@rossihunter2

It is possible that Gladney is BPA when we pick at 28. I wonder how confident we are in Tavon's ability to stay on the field. He's missed time even during the seasons he's played substantially, and wasn't his injury last year neck/shoulder related?

Im not sure we want to use Marlon in the slot again and Im pretty sure we are drafting that Tavon insurance. Its just a matter of how high we'll do it.

i think gladney's a top 28 player in the draft on the ravens board - i'd be surprised if he was BPA when we pick and I'd be surprised if we picked a CB that early - id also be surprised if we didnt pick a corner by the end of round 4 but the front office has messaging has all been about finding instant impact players in year 1 of their rookie deals and a corner is unlikely to be playing year 1 unless they're a superstar because of Marlon and Peters and Tavon and Jimmy

that being said if gladney was somehow still there at 55 i think it would be a great pickup because i love the player and that's a major BPA pick there - but in round 1 i think we're looking for instant coffee at a position where the player will clearly have the opportunity to get on the field early and where we can envision that - front 7, WR, OL

 

[rossihunter2]

I don't mind Gladney the player at all, but I think it would be hard to justify using a day 1 pick on a CB with how much we have invested there already. Like you said, I'd be surprised if they don't walk out with some slot insurance on late day 2/early day 3, but I can't fathom a 1st being used there.

A safety on the other hand? I can buy it.

im the same - it would have to be a superstar talent - or a ridiculously high grade for us to pick the CB in round 1

 

[rossihunter2]

Speaking of S, I really think that could be a sleeper pick. I wouldn't be shocked at all if part of the ILB solution is Chuck Clark/drafted S with a true MIKE later in the draft. Sub packages are pretty much base packages nowadays anyways.

yeah i agree with that - we're thin at safety and deshon elliott cannot be relied upon at this stage with his unfortunate injury history - that being said im incredibly high on elliott in his limited snaps and can see him being the 3rd safety in that brandon carr role in the dime and quarters packages that would allow chuck to play that dime role

i wouldnt hate a safety at all but i also wouldnt regard it as a position of need but you're right that even with the lack of talent we have at ILB, and the major talent we have at S, a drafted S may well see more snaps than a drafted ILB given the packages we play

 

[rossihunter2]

I think @JoeyFlex5 is right. If there's a RB the ravens should target, it should be CEH. Guys a monster and just a big time weapon. Also had enormous production despite being in the LSU big time passing offense. I don't think there's a chance in hell he's there at 55 though. If he slips out of the first round, might have to consider moving up a little in the second. For me, my top RBs after going back and watching more are actually Taylor, followed by CEH, then Swift. I don't personally like the drop-off to say a jk Dobbins after those 3 to warrant a second round pick, but that's just me.

i think CEH is a slam dunk to go to Tampa in the 2nd round

 

[rossihunter2]

Amik Robertson round 3, done and done

100% would be happy with that lol

 

[Sami84]

I'm glad he loves to cook and eat. Otherwise I would be concerned about him eating people.

I know a guy who went to Minnesota who he'd get along with.

 

[rossihunter2]

with less than a week to go im going to push this again - only 6 people have put in any data at all - about half of what we've had in previous years

https://purpleflock.com/threads/1833/

 

[LSURavenFan]

Maybe if Love is still on the board at 28, EDC calls up IND. Maybe get the 34th pick and a 3rd

 

[Justdewinit20]

Maybe if Love is still on the board at 28, EDC calls up IND. Maybe get the 34th pick and a 3rd

I really wouldn’t mind taking Grant Delpit. Sure tackling is a concern but it isn’t like he takes bad angles, he just can’t wrap up properly. Earl Thomas had the same issue really in his career. His coverage skills on the other hand are special. He’s a difference maker when manned up against TEs.

 

[Edgar]

if a WR The Ravens like is there at 13, I have to believe we make an offer to San Fran. a 2 and a 3...maybe a 4 as well
San från has 2 first round picks but nothing again until round 5.

1) Lamb
2) Greenard/edge (Uche)
3) Dye - does everything pretty well LB or Malik if he's there
4) IOL
4) Javaris Davis/Khaleke Hudson
5) Perine
7) Orr?

 

[rossihunter2]

if a WR The Ravens like is there at 13, I have to believe we make an offer to San Fran. a 2 and a 3...maybe a 4 as well
San från has 2 first round picks but nothing again until round 5.

1) Lamb
2) Greenard/edge (Uche)
3) Dye - does everything pretty well LB or Malik if he's there
4) IOL
4) Javaris Davis/Khaleke Hudson
5) Perine
7) Orr?

for what it's worth the value of 28, 55 and 92 basically is equivalent to the 13th pick (give or take 6th/7th round pick)

 

[Edgar]

for what it's worth the value of 28, 55 and 92 basically is equivalent to the 13th pick (give or take 6th/7th round pick)

well shoot! Im not saying San Fran would go for it absolutely but supposing they think they can get 2 quality starters at 28 and 31 and not have to sit on their hands until the 5th round? They would have to think about that.
If we could pull the above class and come out with lamb or Jeudy?

 

[Edgar]

generally speaking, round three seems like an ideal place to move up.

 

[rossihunter2]

well shoot! Im not saying San Fran would go for it absolutely but supposing they think they can get 2 quality starters at 28 and 31 and not have to sit on their hands until the 5th round? They would have to think about that.
If we could pull the above class and come out with lamb or Jeudy?

it's a long way to go up generally - im not sure that's the kind of move the ravens or EDC would typically be into - especially with the way he's talked about round 1 trades recently

if we go up, i dont think we're going up 15 spots im afraid

if we do it would be the most shocking thing i think the ravens have ever done in a draft in all 25 drafts they've been involved in

 

[Simba]

if a WR The Ravens like is there at 13, I have to believe we make an offer to San Fran. a 2 and a 3...maybe a 4 as well
San från has 2 first round picks but nothing again until round 5.

1) Lamb
2) Greenard/edge (Uche)
3) Dye - does everything pretty well LB or Malik if he's there
4) IOL
4) Javaris Davis/Khaleke Hudson
5) Perine
7) Orr?

I'm so conflicted on this idea. On one hand, it would be great to have Lamb or Jeudy. On the other hand, it's deep WR class through day 2/early day 3. I'd be cautious about dropping that much capital on one position, especially one that wasn't super featured last year (but I do think it will be more this year).

I think part of my struggle is that I've never really been obsessed with having a top WR. I'm more of the complementary corps type of guy.

 

[Edgar]

it's a long way to go up generally - im not sure that's the kind of move the ravens or EDC would typically be into - especially with the way he's talked about round 1 trades recently

if we go up, i dont think we're going up 15 spots im afraid

if we do it would be the most shocking thing i think the ravens have ever done in a draft in all 25 drafts they've been involved in

tend to agree. although I don't really believe much of what DeCosta said at that presser...with the exception being that he wants to build an indefensible offense

 

[rossihunter2]

generally speaking, round three seems like an ideal place to move up.

day 2 in general i think is a fruitful place to move up - even moving up from 55 into the 40s to pick up a premier player who's falling out of round 1 (like we tried to do with Cody Ford last year but it was too expensive)

but also you're right round 3 where we might still see some great talent available well into the 80s and 90s - might be a case of either moving up from 106 to get a 2nd player in the 90s or moving up from 92 to get to the top of round 3...

lots of options with our 5 picks in the first 2 days

 

[Simba]

day 2 in general i think is a fruitful place to move up - even moving up from 55 into the 40s to pick up a premier player who's falling out of round 1 (like we tried to do with Cody Ford last year but it was too expensive)

but also you're right round 3 where we might still see some great talent available well into the 80s and 90s - might be a case of either moving up from 106 to get a 2nd player in the 90s or moving up from 92 to get to the top of round 3...

lots of options with our 5 picks in the first 2 days

I think this is more likely and within DeCosta's MO. I think he's certainly going to be more aggressive, but I also don't see him trying to burn day 2 picks to be aggressive. Look to rounds 2 and 3 where you're sacrificing a day 3 pick and I think we could see some movement there.