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BoredMarine13

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ndub

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Anyone else reminded of Jared Gaither with Zeus Jr? We all say what “should” occur, or how we have the leverage... true, but what also “should” occur and is logical is not really happening on Brown’s side either. And we all know his past issues with conditioning when he wasn’t playing motivated. Again, he “should be” highly motivated, but when it comes to players like this, logic and “should be” never really happen
 

ndub

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/ravens/.amp/news/ravens-corey-davis020221

Thoughts? I think Davis could be a Raven at the right price , although I’m not sure its the upgrade we’re looking for. Still intriguing

I hope DeCosta throws atleast 3 picks at WR. Eventually the roulette wheel will
Come up Baltimore, but you gotta invest the draft capital to really play.


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Davis’ worst year is still just as good as anyone’s best years as far as WR’s go on this team outside of Hollywood and prime Dez Bryant
 

rossihunter2

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/ravens/.amp/news/ravens-corey-davis020221

Thoughts? I think Davis could be a Raven at the right price , although I’m not sure its the upgrade we’re looking for. Still intriguing

I hope DeCosta throws atleast 3 picks at WR. Eventually the roulette wheel will
Come up Baltimore, but you gotta invest the draft capital to really play.


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i was really high on him in that draft class - he's never quite turned into the player i thought he'd be but he's certainly a good level starting WR in the league and a good route runner - if we got him for decent value i'd have no issue with that sort of a signing
 

gtalk12

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There are teams that apparently are interested in Zeus.
 

RavensMania

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Administrator
I mean they've taken "going all in" to a whole different level, but I sort of like it. I'm a big fan of building through the draft, but I think there's certain teams, including the Ravens, that overvalue said picks. I would never advocate giving up like a half decade of first rounders unless I'm getting a like 15-20 year franchise QB, which the Rams clearly haven't gotten, but at least their approach is different.

I applaud them for a couple reasons:
1. They realized they made a mistake with Goff, and they rectified it. A lot of teams would have just bent over and taken like 2-3 more years of bad coach/QB relationships, and probably not improved much as a team, and then moved on. I give them credit for, at least for now, making a good effort to make their situation, at least in the short term, better.
2. I think they realize what a lot of fans don't realize... this idea of "long term sustainable success" is extremely difficult to achieve in this league, and the idea of making decisions now to hope to win 3,4,5 years from now backfires a TON. The head coaches and GMs that try to play the "long game" with roster management usually aren't around long enough to see it through. There are maybe a small handful of Owners in this league who will tolerate losing, mediocrity, or even small amounts of "winning" (i.e. a playoff appearance or two, but certainly nothing close to a Lombardi) for more than maybe 4-5 years. And for something that long, you have to be coming in to a dumpster fire that needs a complete tear down, and the Owner acknowledges it.

Coaches certainly don't have the luxury of doing a 5 year rebuild. And GM's really don't either. They may get a year or two to get some good players in there, but it has to be a very significant improvement for them to stay. Otherwise, they're gone, and whatever work you did to build the team will be to the benefit of somebody else.

Owners are the only person in the building who can really have no negative consequences of short-term or long-term losing.

Lamar Jackson (or at least the decision to draft him) saved John Harbaugh's job. John gets some credit for that decision, but if he didn't pan out, he would have been fired at least before last season. He was absolutely on the hot seat coming into 2018 and even a little bit in 2019 perhaps. And that was based on 3 years of losing essentially. And his pedigree of success from a W/L perspective is only matched or exceeded by maybe 3-4 other coaches in the league. You think he's super concerned about what his roster looks like 3-4 years from now?
Much more difficult to manage the cap if you are constantly trading for players. As a former Skins fan, I can totally relate to that. As you said, they have taken it to a "Whole New Level", but they have gone too far. We still trade our picks for players and imo, we don't value draft picks too much. it is proven that the more swings you have the better chance of hitting. If we were trading our 1st round picks every year we would be in terrible shape with the cap.

That being said, we have traded picks for players recently, ie Marcus Peters, Calais Campbell and Yannick Ngakoue.
 

RavensMania

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What do you think he’s worth on the market? I think two number 1s is unrealistic but If he must go, I think a fair trade is a 1 and 3. I hope we don’t get rid of him though , would be a shame to lose a talented and versatile player with no replacement in line.


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I'd agree. A 1st and a 3rd is a fair trade.
 

Tyler

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I think the Zeus situation could honestly end up being quite the coup for the Ravens. Is he a young, Pro Bowl tackle? Of course. Was he going to walk anyway next year? Most likely. LT is a premium position, and at least 1 team would offer a package of premium picks. This team made the divisional round while playing musical chairs on the line. Personally, I think that finding a competent center is more crucial to the success of this team than sliding Zeus to the right side for one more year. If they can get a 1st and 3rd for him from a Bad team, you can hopefully check more boxes than Just RT by way of Stanley coming back. Creed Humphrey or Kyle Pitts, PLUS having another first round pick, is a no brainer, IMO. The haul would have to be significant, but don’t pass up on the opportunity to make this team better in the long run just for the sake of squeezing out one more year from a guy that doesn’t even want to play RT any more.
 

rossihunter2

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I think the Zeus situation could honestly end up being quite the coup for the Ravens. Is he a young, Pro Bowl tackle? Of course. Was he going to walk anyway next year? Most likely. LT is a premium position, and at least 1 team would offer a package of premium picks. This team made the divisional round while playing musical chairs on the line. Personally, I think that finding a competent center is more crucial to the success of this team than sliding Zeus to the right side for one more year. If they can get a 1st and 3rd for him from a Bad team, you can hopefully check more boxes than Just RT by way of Stanley coming back. Creed Humphrey or Kyle Pitts, PLUS having another first round pick, is a no brainer, IMO. The haul would have to be significant, but don’t pass up on the opportunity to make this team better in the long run just for the sake of squeezing out one more year from a guy that doesn’t even want to play RT any more.

if he's forcing his way out then the best thing to do is get the most we can get for him BEFORE the end of April so that we get whatever picks we're gonna get for him before the draft

the worst way this situation ends is if the position becomes untenable after the draft and there's nothing we can do to replace him (or replace his "value")

i guess i still dont fully believe this situation can't be resolved but the longer time goes on the more likely it gets that he doesnt play for us in 2021
 

Willbacker

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There are teams that apparently are interested in Zeus.

With all due respect can he be known as Zeus jr or even Baby Zeus. And for anybody that calls him OBJ. Really.

If we do trade like to the Chargers for a 1st and 3rd for instance then lets go Waddle, then Creed Humphrey to fix our center position and then snag one of the Notre Dame OT's in the 2nd and if yall dont like it you can............

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JAAM

Hall of Famer
EDC commits the highway robbery in the NFL. No bum ass GM from a bad team better try and get cocky with us. We want a 1st and then some, plus your lunch money, and even better if you’re picking in the top 10. Get us an impact player that can start from day one, preferably on offense, and I want some mid round picks thrown in. Could you imagine DeVonta Or Pitts in this offense? Orlando is a great building block for a rebuilding team. No reason to sell low.
 

Dom McRaven

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EDC commits the highway robbery in the NFL. No bum ass GM from a bad team better try and get cocky with us. We want a 1st and then some, plus your lunch money, and even better if you’re picking in the top 10. Get us an impact player that can start from day one, preferably on offense, and I want some mid round picks thrown in. Could you imagine DeVonta Or Pitts in this offense? Orlando is a great building block for a rebuilding team. No reason to sell low.
I'll play along. Let's say it's the Chargers that a number of folks have mentioned. I don't think DeVonta would be available at 13? Pitts on the other hand? #SIIE all motherfucking day!
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
I mean they've taken "going all in" to a whole different level, but I sort of like it. I'm a big fan of building through the draft, but I think there's certain teams, including the Ravens, that overvalue said picks. I would never advocate giving up like a half decade of first rounders unless I'm getting a like 15-20 year franchise QB, which the Rams clearly haven't gotten, but at least their approach is different.

I applaud them for a couple reasons:
1. They realized they made a mistake with Goff, and they rectified it. A lot of teams would have just bent over and taken like 2-3 more years of bad coach/QB relationships, and probably not improved much as a team, and then moved on. I give them credit for, at least for now, making a good effort to make their situation, at least in the short term, better.
2. I think they realize what a lot of fans don't realize... this idea of "long term sustainable success" is extremely difficult to achieve in this league, and the idea of making decisions now to hope to win 3,4,5 years from now backfires a TON. The head coaches and GMs that try to play the "long game" with roster management usually aren't around long enough to see it through. There are maybe a small handful of Owners in this league who will tolerate losing, mediocrity, or even small amounts of "winning" (i.e. a playoff appearance or two, but certainly nothing close to a Lombardi) for more than maybe 4-5 years. And for something that long, you have to be coming in to a dumpster fire that needs a complete tear down, and the Owner acknowledges it.

Coaches certainly don't have the luxury of doing a 5 year rebuild. And GM's really don't either. They may get a year or two to get some good players in there, but it has to be a very significant improvement for them to stay. Otherwise, they're gone, and whatever work you did to build the team will be to the benefit of somebody else.

Owners are the only person in the building who can really have no negative consequences of short-term or long-term losing.

Lamar Jackson (or at least the decision to draft him) saved John Harbaugh's job. John gets some credit for that decision, but if he didn't pan out, he would have been fired at least before last season. He was absolutely on the hot seat coming into 2018 and even a little bit in 2019 perhaps. And that was based on 3 years of losing essentially. And his pedigree of success from a W/L perspective is only matched or exceeded by maybe 3-4 other coaches in the league. You think he's super concerned about what his roster looks like 3-4 years from now?
the rams building method will have a short shelf life, its gone on for what 4 years now? 1 sb loss, 2 playoff exits, 1 season of no playoffs.

they lucked out by finding a franchise caliber qb while also unloading goff, that saved their ass for now, but theres still a short shelf life.

they are SLAMMING day 2 draft picks at an absurd rate, in a league where less than 1/4 players drafted on day 2 play beyond year 3, you have to expect your run of luck to run out, and when you lack first round picks its gonna keep getting harder to sustain.

depth is gonna continually be an issue for the rams, theyre always 1-2 injuries away(doesnt even have to be a star player) from becoming very mediocre, because they just wont have the resources to sustain depth. if youre working with a few picks on day 2 and 3 every year, never accruing picks, always trading away high picks, the luck will run out eventually and you wont have nfl caliber players on your bench. i like what theyre doing, because they could very well get a ring or 2 out of it and its damn fun to follow because the NFL has never seen a FO operate like that, but time will catch up, you cant sustain winning with 6 men like you can in the nba.
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
Much more difficult to manage the cap if you are constantly trading for players. As a former Skins fan, I can totally relate to that. As you said, they have taken it to a "Whole New Level", but they have gone too far. We still trade our picks for players and imo, we don't value draft picks too much. it is proven that the more swings you have the better chance of hitting. If we were trading our 1st round picks every year we would be in terrible shape with the cap.

That being said, we have traded picks for players recently, ie Marcus Peters, Calais Campbell and Yannick Ngakoue.
True, but we also don't intentionally sign players who can help us in order to keep day 2 or day 3 comp picks also, which I think we overvalue to a certain extent. I'm not saying we hoard them and don't make moves for anybody, but a) we're almost never willing to deal a first round pick for a player and b) we pass on signing some players to keep comp picks.
 

rmcjacket23

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the rams building method will have a short shelf life, its gone on for what 4 years now? 1 sb loss, 2 playoff exits, 1 season of no playoffs.

they lucked out by finding a franchise caliber qb while also unloading goff, that saved their ass for now, but theres still a short shelf life.

they are SLAMMING day 2 draft picks at an absurd rate, in a league where less than 1/4 players drafted on day 2 play beyond year 3, you have to expect your run of luck to run out, and when you lack first round picks its gonna keep getting harder to sustain.

depth is gonna continually be an issue for the rams, theyre always 1-2 injuries away(doesnt even have to be a star player) from becoming very mediocre, because they just wont have the resources to sustain depth. if youre working with a few picks on day 2 and 3 every year, never accruing picks, always trading away high picks, the luck will run out eventually and you wont have nfl caliber players on your bench. i like what theyre doing, because they could very well get a ring or 2 out of it and its damn fun to follow because the NFL has never seen a FO operate like that, but time will catch up, you cant sustain winning with 6 men like you can in the nba.
True. That being said... they're only probably like a year away from being out of cap hell, and would then have the resources to add veterans in free agency if needed. They've got over $30M in cap space next year tied up to Goff and Gurley, who aren't on the team. They mortgaged the shit out of those guys and they're paying for it now. But they'll have the cap space to be able to extend Stafford and sign some guys in 2022.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
True. That being said... they're only probably like a year away from being out of cap hell, and would then have the resources to add veterans in free agency if needed. They've got over $30M in cap space next year tied up to Goff and Gurley, who aren't on the team. They mortgaged the shit out of those guys and they're paying for it now. But they'll have the cap space to be able to extend Stafford and sign some guys in 2022.
yeah theyve found a way to skate right by some of their biggest cap burdens but they paid for it with draft picks, when you start using first rounders to buy cap space you could be in trouble, luckily theyre able to get a talented qb in the deal as well which just feels like a rare feat lol.

all in all they have been super bold and its worked very well for them and theyve also been brilliant with it, trades, signings, draft picks, theyve slammed all of them, but when you look at the rest of the league you feel like a lot of it is luck lol
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
or one of the premier tackles who we wouldnt normally have a shot at - which would be a reason why one of those top 15 teams is unlikely to give up their 1st pick for orlando - because there's at least 3 guys who might be available and worth their pick in the top 15
no matter what they look like on film, most OTs bust terribly, it almost seems like the first round is the worst place to draft a tackle based on bust history. thats why a team with a young franchise qb who has done terrible with OTs would want to give up a 1+

the chargers keep getting thrown into the mix because they have a lot of draft picks and they havent had a franchise LT in a looooong time, and if ever there was a time to do it for them, its now, before you try to air it out with herbert and a bust first round LT and he ends up shellshocked.

i just did a mock on TDN as if we had the chargers 1+2, it went:
1.13. kyle pitts
1.27. alijah vera tucker(g/swing)
2.45. dillon radunz(possible starting OT)
2.59. trevon moehrig
4.131. jalen twyman
5.167. whop philyor

that is by no means out of the question, and i will take that shit all day, if we take a OT and a starting guard who could be a swing T then i trust our OL coaches to get a replacement out of that, and the rest is just absolute gravy. hypothetically if this were to happen. and we whiff on both of those OL, well damn, that sucks, but i liked the play, and we get kyle pitts out of it who would probably become our defacto wr1 even though hes listed a TE. on the upside, if they both were hits, then we have a third round OT who we flip for a 13th and 45th overall and save the cap space, inject great talents at 2 spots on the OL which was a big weakness, and get a possible superstar passing weapon in pitts.

tried another concept, trading zeus to the chargers for a 1 and 2 3s, then adding a third comp pick for the culley hire. i ended up with:
1. jaylen waddle
1. alijah vera tucker
2. dillon radunz
3. quincy roche
3. marvin wilson
3. ardarius washington

i know TDN means absolute jack shit lol, but just the difference in what a draft class could be if a big zeus trade were to happen.
 
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