Signings, Cuts, Trades

[BoredMarine13]

Yup. And then we trade for a pass rusher that everybody prayed for, and six months later, its the #1 priority for the offseason.

Some people want to be right, and others want to get it right...

i gotta agree with JAAM, you come off as a self-important downer. It's message board man, relax a little and have fun.


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[ndub]

i mean idk that i agree with this - there's a monumental difference between 4.35 speed and 4.6 speed

and while a receiver's number 1 job is to catch the ball it's pointless unless you can either win at the catch-point, or separate (or both)

so while the receiver's number 1 job is to catch the ball, their 1B job is to get open somehow

it doesnt matter how good someone's hands are if they can't separate and everything's contested - because no matter how good your hands are, if a corner's constantly able to disrupt at the catch point, idc who you are, you're not going to be successful consistently

but i agree with you generally that size doesn't really come into play as a super important high-up consideration necessarily (at least for me)

40s mean very little my friend (unless we are comparing LJ’s and Brady’s 40s, and then I completely agree)... but game speed is what matters. Can you run that 4.35 in pads, or just in shorts? Can you make optimal use of that 4.6 speed? Some of our best WRs who’ve played for us never put up blazing 40s, but had game speed. Conversely, a lot of our WR busts ran out of this world 40s but folded when it came to actually using it during games

 

[ndub]

i gotta agree with JAAM, you come off as a self-important downer. It's message board man, relax a little and have fun.


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There’s a reason I walk away from the board at times. I know I can get out of hand and frustrated with any sports, let alone with this team and this sport. I’m way too competitive and it’s not fair to take it out on others constantly

 

[rossihunter2]

40s mean very little my friend (unless we are comparing LJ’s and Brady’s 40s, and then I completely agree)... but game speed is what matters. Can you run that 4.35 in pads, or just in shorts? Can you make optimal use of that 4.6 speed? Some of our best WRs who’ve played for us never put up blazing 40s, but had game speed. Conversely, a lot of our WR busts ran out of this world 40s but folded when it came to actually using it during games

All I’m suggesting is that 4.35 to 4.6 is a massive difference in speed - and that it’s noticeable on film it’s that big of a difference

for sure some guys look faster in pads vs others and game-speed is a thing but .25 of a second is a massive difference

 

[ndub]

All I’m suggesting is that 4.35 to 4.6 is a massive difference in speed - and that it’s noticeable on film it’s that big of a difference

for sure some guys look faster in pads vs others and game-speed is a thing but .25 of a second is a massive difference

More goes into it than that, but I see your point. I’m just saying routes/agility/being able to get full use out of it makes a 4.6 guy look faster than what they are in a straight line in shorts

 

[rossihunter2]

More goes into it than that, but I see your point. I’m just saying routes/agility/being able to get full use out of it makes a 4.6 guy look faster than what they are in a straight line in shorts

on that we're agreed - play-speed is judged on a case by case basis
but in draft prospects terms for a WR 4.6+ is a bit worrying in general terms - there are some aberrations e.g. boldin, keenan allen, larry fitz

but these guys are elite at another skill - basically if you're a 4.6 guy, you have to be amazing at something else

4.6 is the threshold beyond which i really start to worry about a prospect's ability to separate (because corners can sit on their underneath routes because they aren't scared of being beaten over the top)

 

[rmcjacket23]

i gotta agree with JAAM, you come off as a self-important downer. It's message board man, relax a little and have fun.


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Fun is subjective. I find watching the Ravens play and win games fun. I don't find it fun to treat reality like Madden. Maybe you do. So be it.

 

[RavensMania]

They aren't. But my point is that when you typecast that you need a big WR, you often overlook some of the actual good WRs that don't meet the arbitrary threshold. There's long been this random assumption that a WR needs to be 6'3+ in order to be a dominant #1.

speaking for myself, this is why this board helps. Although I watch film, I like to hear the opinions of others on the board that may see something differently or watch more film.

I tend to have a guy early on that I like, yet those opinions start to take shape and even change closer to the draft. My top WR early in the draft process was a wideout that came from a school I had been jaded, due to their lack of success in the NFL. That player was DK Metcalf. I also didn't want A.J. Brown for two reasons. I thought he would only be a big slot and due to the school he attended, I was having my own issues. I believe @JoeyFlex5 had the same issues with Ole Miss WR's, if I'm not mistaken. I liked Deebo Samuel a lot, but he had some major hamstring issues in college those just seem to linger.

It was within a couple weeks of the draft where I started to come into focus. I had totally changed my viewpoint. I wanted the Ravens to draft Hollywood or A.J. Brown in the 1st round and my 3rd favorite was D.K. Metcalf with Deebo Samuel right behind him. After watching more tape of A.J., I could see he wasn't just going to be a big slot. I was actually very excited about the prospects of drafting him in the late 1st round.

Well all of these players have been successful. What many don't mention is that Hollywood is top 15 in touchdowns since 2019 and that is with limited targets and one foot in 2019.

 

[rossihunter2]

speaking for myself, this is why this board helps. Although I watch film, I like to hear the opinions of some that may watch more film. I tend to have a guy early on that I like, yet those opinions start to take shape and even change closer to the draft. My top WR early in the draft process was a wideout that came from a school I had been jaded, due to their lack of success in the NFL. That player was DK Metcalf. I also didn't want A.J. Brown for two reasons. I thought he would only be a big slot and due to the school he attended, I was having my own issues. I believe @JoeyFlex5 had the same issues with Ole Miss WR's, if I'm not mistaken. I liked Deebo Samuel a lot, but he had some major hamstring issues in college those just seem to linger.

It was within a couple weeks of the draft where I started to come into focus. I had totally changed my viewpoint. I wanted the Ravens to draft Hollywood or A.J. Brown in the 1st round and my 3rd favorite was D.K. Metcalf with Deebo Samuel right behind him. After watching more tape of A.J., I could see he wasn't just going to be a big slot. I was actually very excited about the prospects of drafting him in the late 1st round.

Well all of these players have been successful. What many don't mention is that Hollywood is top 15 in touchdowns since 2019 and that is with limited targets and one foot in 2019.

it happens every year with some of the WRs - initial poor impressions but as you dig deeper into their skillset you see the clues - AJ Brown was a guy i also came back around on late in the process that year

 

[RavensMania]

it happens every year with some of the WRs - initial poor impressions but as you dig deeper into their skillset you see the clues - AJ Brown was a guy i also came back around on late in the process that year

what was the reasoning you came around on A.J Brown.

 

[JAAM]

No idea if this guys legit not I thought I’d share

Please don’t get my hopes up lol

 

[rossihunter2]

what was the reasoning you came around on A.J Brown.

his usage within that Ole Miss offense severely limited him - i didn't see the route-running prowess the first time around - mostly just saw the run after catch stuff and some modest athleticism (which was actually a lot better than modest)

it took me until later in the process to see his physicality in the route and the ability to play more than just the slot

i was never sold on DK in the way that others were - but that miss has helped me a ton with my Dyami Brown evaluation (Dyami's playing the DK role in that same offence now that it's been built at UNC)

 

[Simba]

his usage within that Ole Miss offense severely limited him - i didn't see the route-running prowess the first time around - mostly just saw the run after catch stuff and some modest athleticism (which was actually a lot better than modest)

it took me until later in the process to see his physicality in the route and the ability to play more than just the slot

i was never sold on DK in the way that others were - but that miss has helped me a ton with my Dyami Brown evaluation (Dyami's playing the DK role in that same offence now that it's been built at UNC)

DK was a tough one for me. I wanted to like him so bad but the online reaction to how ripped he was and how fast he was got on my nerves so much that I started to dislike him, even though it wasn’t his fault. Definitely let my biases get in the way there.

 

[rossihunter2]

DK was a tough one for me. I wanted to like him so bad but the online reaction to how ripped he was and how fast he was got on my nerves so much that I started to dislike him, even though it wasn’t his fault. Definitely let my biases get in the way there.

i was worried about his change of direction a ton - thought he was so stiff - but what i should have taken into account was just how physical he was getting off the line and beating press

but he really landed in the perfect spot - in a vertical based offence with the best deep ball thrower in the NFL with a great receiver opposite him

 

[Ellicottraven]

Trade for Julio Jones? Good move or bad move fellas?

 

[RavensMania]

his usage within that Ole Miss offense severely limited him - i didn't see the route-running prowess the first time around - mostly just saw the run after catch stuff and some modest athleticism (which was actually a lot better than modest)

it took me until later in the process to see his physicality in the route and the ability to play more than just the slot

i was never sold on DK in the way that others were - but that miss has helped me a ton with my Dyami Brown evaluation (Dyami's playing the DK role in that same offence now that it's been built at UNC)

that makes sense

 

[RavensMania]

Trade for Julio Jones? Good move or bad move fellas?

Talent wise even as an older vet is still above average, but it's not a good move as it will severely limit us in signing players, even though his contract is reasonable over the next few years. It will definitely hinder us this year. So no it's not a good move.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

speaking for myself, this is why this board helps. Although I watch film, I like to hear the opinions of others on the board that may see something differently or watch more film.

I tend to have a guy early on that I like, yet those opinions start to take shape and even change closer to the draft. My top WR early in the draft process was a wideout that came from a school I had been jaded, due to their lack of success in the NFL. That player was DK Metcalf. I also didn't want A.J. Brown for two reasons. I thought he would only be a big slot and due to the school he attended, I was having my own issues. I believe @JoeyFlex5 had the same issues with Ole Miss WR's, if I'm not mistaken. I liked Deebo Samuel a lot, but he had some major hamstring issues in college those just seem to linger.

It was within a couple weeks of the draft where I started to come into focus. I had totally changed my viewpoint. I wanted the Ravens to draft Hollywood or A.J. Brown in the 1st round and my 3rd favorite was D.K. Metcalf with Deebo Samuel right behind him. After watching more tape of A.J., I could see he wasn't just going to be a big slot. I was actually very excited about the prospects of drafting him in the late 1st round.

Well all of these players have been successful. What many don't mention is that Hollywood is top 15 in touchdowns since 2019 and that is with limited targets and one foot in 2019.

Yeah I am a hardcore “scout the player not the helmet” type, but I definitely went against that with ole miss WRs lol

 

[rmcjacket23]

Trade for Julio Jones? Good move or bad move fellas?

Makes the team better from a talent perspective. Very difficult to achieve from a financial/assets given up perspective.

So I'd largely go bad move.

 

[Ellicottraven]

Makes the team better from a talent perspective. Very difficult to achieve from a financial/assets given up perspective.

So I'd largely go bad move.

Thanks guys... I just think we need to give Lamar top notch weapons before his rookie deal is done with. Julio has been injured lately, but will definitely fit that bill. Like you guys rightly put it, it'll hamstring us to sign other players in free agency.