The Murphy's Law, The Ugly and The Uglier

[rossihunter2]

We basically forfeited this season to hoard picks so EDC better fucking nail that shit or we'll look like one of those teams with a disgruntled franchise QB.

i mean did we though?
we have basically no cap space to bring in anyone - we've not had a full 53 on the roster basically since week 1 for cap purposes - we tried bringing a couple of guys in and we were even offering up a 1st round pick to the dolphins to try and get them to pay howard's salary this year...

we need more than just 1 player to infuse talent into this team - the only way to get that sort of energy and youth infusion is through the draft

our 2016 class was pretty great because we hoarded those picks - we screwed up our 2nd and 3rd round picks but still ended up with tons of talent and depth

our 2018 class was pretty incredible with those collected picks (yes we borrowed the 2nd rounder from 2019 to go get lamar but we also had tons of other picks available too) - we got 6 starters from that class and then 3 more that have started for other teams...

our 2020 class with all those day 2 picks is up in the air right now - we've got 4 or 5 guys who've been in and out of the mix for starting spots but not quite grabbed them with both hands yet

the point of hoarding the picks is not to nail every single one of them (although that's obviously the dream) but to spread out the risk across multiple prospects and increase your chances significantly of finding good or even great players

 

[rossihunter2]

I heard that's partly down to Roman's complex verbiage so maybe simplifying the play calls should be a goal this off-season. You could argue that pre-snap adjustments are the next natural step in Lamar's growth anyway.

i wonder what changes when we go hurry up or no-huddle unless there's a magical second playbook specifically for those plays with shorter verbiage...

i really do think that when teams do do what the dolphins did to us, that a natural tool we dont use enough is tempo - play-action on the first play of the drive see if you can get a 1st down and if you can then get in the no-huddle and spread them out - it's much harder to blitz and disguise if we're playing fast and not using the whole play-clock

i get that it puts pressure on your defence but you can always try and slow the game down later in the game with a lead

 

[Deebo813]

One trend I continue to notice is how late we are getting to the LOS. This allows the defense to get a better jump on the snap and takes away Lamars ability to read the D/ change the play. He has to speed the offense up


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i really never see him audible though.. just like when flacco was here, we never saw it.

 

[BloodRaven]

i mean did we though?
we have basically no cap space to bring in anyone - we've not had a full 53 on the roster basically since week 1 for cap purposes - we tried bringing a couple of guys in and we were even offering up a 1st round pick to the dolphins to try and get them to pay howard's salary this year...

we need more than just 1 player to infuse talent into this team - the only way to get that sort of energy and youth infusion is through the draft

our 2016 class was pretty great because we hoarded those picks - we screwed up our 2nd and 3rd round picks but still ended up with tons of talent and depth

our 2018 class was pretty incredible with those collected picks (yes we borrowed the 2nd rounder from 2019 to go get lamar but we also had tons of other picks available too) - we got 6 starters from that class and then 3 more that have started for other teams...

our 2020 class with all those day 2 picks is up in the air right now - we've got 4 or 5 guys who've been in and out of the mix for starting spots but not quite grabbed them with both hands yet

the point of hoarding the picks is not to nail every single one of them (although that's obviously the dream) but to spread out the risk across multiple prospects and increase your chances significantly of finding good or even great players

Clearly it would be players who fit the cap like Morgan Moses and Marlon Mack. So the question remains is the tradeoff for not getting Lamar help this year going to pay off in next years draft? I really hope it does.

Lamar essentially has to perform miracles every single week to win, thats not going to be sustainable through the postseason.

 

[rossihunter2]

Clearly it would be players who fit the cap like Morgan Moses and Marlon Mack. So the question remains is the tradeoff for not getting Lamar help this year going to pay off in next years draft? I really hope it does.

Lamar essentially has to perform miracles every single week to win, thats not going to be sustainable through the postseason.

i just dont think mack makes a big difference to this team and moses was never getting traded by the jets...

we saw that EDC was willing to spend major draft capital - i just think that the guys who could/would make a difference werent available to us

 

[BoredMarine13]

i really never see him audible though.. just like when flacco was here, we never saw it.

That’s what I’ve been saying , rarely does he check at the line. I don’t think Lamar is allowed to or he doesn’t understand what to check to. No Offense should be running the the ball repeatedly on 1st down into Cover 0, it just doesn’t make sense. Roman calling that play repeatedly then Lamar running it without a check just blows my mind


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[BoredMarine13]

I heard that's partly down to Roman's complex verbiage so maybe simplifying the play calls should be a goal this off-season. You could argue that pre-snap adjustments are the next natural step in Lamar's growth anyway.

That’s super frustrating to hear since they’ve been running a variant of this offense together for 4 years now. I really expect more from Roman and Lamar. They certainly deserve credit for performing the way they have with this make shift O line , but they looked lost vs the 30th ranked defense.


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[rossihunter2]

That’s what I’ve been saying , rarely does he check at the line. I don’t think Lamar is allowed to or he doesn’t understand what to check to. No Offense should be running the the ball repeatedly on 1st down into Cover 0, it just doesn’t make sense. Roman calling that play repeatedly then Lamar running it without a check just blows my mind


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i mean he was audibling a ton against the dolphins

and certain plays have certain checks - you cant just arbitrarily change a play significantly with a check

we need to design better checks but lamar's 100% checking at the line

 

[BoredMarine13]

i mean he was audibling a ton against the dolphins

and certain plays have certain checks - you cant just arbitrarily change a play significantly with a check

we need to design better checks but lamar's 100% checking at the line

I was at the game so it’s hard to tell what was Lamar checking vs standard Oline communication. If that’s the case I’m more frustrated if he is checking and this is what we’re coming up with. At times it felt like we just conceded a down. Roman needs to provide additional checks and Lamar needs to speed things up in the huddle so he has time to asses.


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[ravenslord]

I can’t believe I’m still angry over the Ravens play and coaching .

 

[rossihunter2]

well here's a missed opportunity and nothing Roman can do about this for multiple reasons
lamar checks into it (although we dont know what the initial call was - probably some sort of run anyway) - but it's a good check because...
ravens have numbers advantage on the direction of the run and we can see the LB drops at the snap - big chance to get a ton of yardage back after the negative play on 1st down - ravens should have a convoy of blockers - bell should be getting into L2 here untouched

but Zeitler clearly gets the play wrong and pulls left rather than blocking down and the play's broken

the playcall is fine
the check is a good one
even the execution is pretty good except for the miscommunication...

 

[JoeyFlex5]

That’s what I’ve been saying , rarely does he check at the line. I don’t think Lamar is allowed to or he doesn’t understand what to check to. No Offense should be running the the ball repeatedly on 1st down into Cover 0, it just doesn’t make sense. Roman calling that play repeatedly then Lamar running it without a check just blows my mind


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He was audibling a ton vs the dolphins, but every play has audibles that you can check into, clearly the only audibles Roman has implemented are ones that hit someone in the flat to run unblocked and hope they turn a corner, we’ve been seeing it for weeks.

if you don’t see audibles at the line then idk what you’re watching, they’re just not working, and that’s not on Lamar, Lamar doesn’t create the playbook, and he doesn’t implement the audibles into each play either.

 

[BoredMarine13]

He was audibling a ton vs the dolphins, but every play has audibles that you can check into, clearly the only audibles Roman has implemented are ones that hit someone in the flat to run unblocked and hope they turn a corner, we’ve been seeing it for weeks.

if you don’t see audibles at the line then idk what you’re watching, they’re just not working, and that’s not on Lamar, Lamar doesn’t create the playbook, and he doesn’t implement the audibles into each play either.

* disclaimer - the injuries on the Oline are the the main reason this offense has been unsuccessful not Lamar or Roman, but that doesn’t mean Lamar and Roman don’t have room for improvement*

I’m very concerned if Lamar does not have a heavy hand in the the play book design, plays being called, or the audibles available at the line. If that is true, which i doubt, Greg Roman must go.

Ultimately Lamar has the final say for every play and is the leader of the offense. If he doesn’t like what he sees change the play or call a TO. I think Lamar is allowed a simplified version of checks because that’s what Harbs/ Roman thinks he is a capable of. Lamar has all the athleticism and arm strength required to be a top level Qb. But I don’t believe mentality he is where a 4th year QB should be.


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[JAAM]

Do you think they"ll draft an RB? I almost think they have to.

Depends how well Dobbins and Gus are recovering heading into April. I personally think they’ll both be fine. Dobbins tore his ACL in high school I believe, so he knows the routine. There were rumors about his LCL though, which make it more complicated. Don’t know how true the rumors are

 

[rossihunter2]

* disclaimer - the injuries on the Oline are the the main reason this offense has been unsuccessful not Lamar or Roman, but that doesn’t mean Lamar and Roman don’t have room for improvement*

I’m very concerned if Lamar does not have a heavy hand in the the play book design, plays being called, or the audibles available at the line. If that is true, which i doubt, Greg Roman must go.

Ultimately Lamar has the final say for every play and is the leader of the offense. If he doesn’t like what he sees change the play or call a TO. I think Lamar is allowed a simplified version of checks because that’s what Harbs/ Roman thinks he is a capable of. Lamar has all the athleticism and arm strength required to be a top level Qb. But I don’t believe mentality he is where a 4th year QB should be.


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i think that's on you - they clearly trust him - it's just the plays and the checks that came with those plays werent right against the dolphins

why would you think there's some simplified checks? just because you havent been paying attention?

and why do you think he's mentally not there? because everything ive seen from lamar suggests that he's elite reading the field - his command of the offence is amazing

 

[JoeyFlex5]

* disclaimer - the injuries on the Oline are the the main reason this offense has been unsuccessful not Lamar or Roman, but that doesn’t mean Lamar and Roman don’t have room for improvement*

I’m very concerned if Lamar does not have a heavy hand in the the play book design, plays being called, or the audibles available at the line. If that is true, which i doubt, Greg Roman must go.

Ultimately Lamar has the final say for every play and is the leader of the offense. If he doesn’t like what he sees change the play or call a TO. I think Lamar is allowed a simplified version of checks because that’s what Harbs/ Roman thinks he is a capable of. Lamar has all the athleticism and arm strength required to be a top level Qb. But I don’t believe mentality he is where a 4th year QB should be.


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i really dont know where you get any of this from lol, nothing you said here aside from the disclaimer is even close to accurate.

most coaches do not give the reins to the qb in entirety, even mahomes runs the plays that reid and bienemy designed. peyton manning is the only qb who would call the entire play at the line and literally run whatever he wanted, he was his own OC, not even brady had the permissions youre talking about, he ran an offense that was essentially option based and he would declare an option for someone at the line based on the defenses alignment, and brady did not implement those options himself. you think brady was out there making complex checks and re-designing the play at the line? lol no, he would go out there, see the alignment, maybe make a protection call for the back or TE, then he would call a check that would essentially tell one receiver "take option A/B on your route". this is almost precisely what lamar was doing and has been doing, problem is that we dont run the same style of offense, and the audibles that roman implemented really were not ideal to counter the dolphins gameplan. and then of course, no amount of audibles can stop ben powers from being a corpse in pass pro, nothing lamar does can force kevin zeitler to go the right direction he can only make the call and hope he knows wtf hes doing.

i wonder if chiefs fans question mahomes' level of input and iq when he cant make the OL pass protect better...

 

[OURavensFan]

i mean he was audibling a ton against the dolphins

and certain plays have certain checks - you cant just arbitrarily change a play significantly with a check

we need to design better checks but lamar's 100% checking at the line

They need to get out of the huddle sooner, it’s becoming a huge problem

 

[JoeyFlex5]

They need to get out of the huddle sooner, it’s becoming a huge problem

i think they need to huddle less in general. but yes i agree.

 

[rossihunter2]

They need to get out of the huddle sooner, it’s becoming a huge problem

idk what was going wrong with getting the call in against the dolphins - maybe after 4 home games in a row they werent ready for the crowd noise... that's my only thinking

we've always been up against the play clock but against the dolphins we were running out of time to even run pre-snap motions etc.

 

[rossihunter2]

i think they need to huddle less in general. but yes i agree.

i think this 100% - easiest way to get a defence on their heels is to change their timings and tempo