The Ty Huntley, The Big Plays and The Andy Dalton

[purplepittabread88]

obviously you dont want to give up a TD but i would be interested to have seen whether our win probability would have been higher with them scoring or with them converting the 1st down...

because i have a sneaky feeling that we had a better chance of driving down the field for a TD than winning via a conversion with the bears running out the clock and missing a field goal...

something to be said for playing the marker hard and making sure that you guard the sticks with everything and if they get you over the top then fine... you'll live and die by the sword

There is so many scenarios like this in football where what actually makes sense rarely works out. It truly feels like every team who has the ball last wins (with a reasonable situation). What you described is the same feeling I get when it's second and one at the end of games and we need the ball back - I want the team to get the first down as it is highly improbable to stop a team running on 3rd and 4th and one.

The last way I wanted that game to end was by the bears kicking a field goal with 3 seconds left to break out hearts. I would much rather have a shot with the ball and let the destiny be in our own hands.

 

[purplepittabread88]

EXACTLY

that kicker is not guaranteed to make any fg, especially a long af game winner at soldier field on a shitty weather day. that field is known for fucking over kickers.

It being the Bears and the conditions definitely throws in a different wrench into the situation, but I think Harbs was essentially saying he would rather control their own fate through an offensive drive than praying a field goal goes bad.

 

[purplepittabread88]

say we get an OL of AV-phillips-bozeman-zeitler-mekari and they start to gel and theyre hitting their stride come playoff time. and lamar, the wrs, the run game, all get clicking and theyre hot, and were in the playoffs and were making a run at it, and wink once again sends a heavy blitz and leaves a guy like westry on an island and gets burned again the same way we get burned time and time again on these money down blitzes, sending 6 rushers and generating no pressure at all because guys are running long looping stunts against 2-3 extra blockers because they know its coming, and we lose a winnable playoff game because of it, do you still feel this way? doesnt matter if every player is healthy, because that will never happen in the nfl, wink needs to adjust point blank period. we have rushers that can generate pressure. houston, oweh, campbell, madubuike, and bowser can generate pressure, he needs to start letting them, and giving these unseasoned dbs the help they need

Dude trust me I am a huge and I mean HUGE advocate for 4 man pressures only. I love Houston Oweh Bowser and Cambell as a 4 man unit pinning ears back. I know no team ever plays anything to lose in the regular season. I only have one reason to defend wink and it's because of what he did vs the chiefs (not blitzing often at all). That's what I was implying will happen in the post season, we might still blitz often but if we don't blitz on a big 4th and long, no one would expect it.

I wasn't trying to say we are purposely blitzing to lose, I was trying to imply that by hard blitzing every situation without fail is a bad idea that makes me cringe BUT it does cause every opponent to think we will do only blitz, which can be an edge if we DO change stuff in the future.

It's like throwing rock 20 straight times in rock paper scissors. Eventually, you throw a scissors and everyone is shocked.

 

[purplepittabread88]

It was a 4 yr / 17.5m with 8m guaranteed. 2 to 3m would have been absolutely fair.

I agree that Hurst always suited up for us, no argument there and I'm sure that went into the contract decision, but imo, incredible 6th OL is overstating it a bit. That being said, I do remember being ok with the extension at the time, but would have preferred it being for less money. I didn't hate him as much as @lostintranslation. With Lost, you'd think he stole his girlfriend.

LMAO Lost still brings up his hate for Hurst. Although I think Greg Roman must have stolen Lost's next, prettier girlfriend.
I respect and agree with what you are saying money wise. What grinds my gears is no player ever gets faulted for injury issues and it is written off as unfortunate. This is different for freak accident (like Stannley or Pitta who I am not at all mad at) vs a guy like Jimmy Smith or I guess Watkins.
I really respect players who play every game, and I think that skewed me more in favor of Hurst than his ability.

 

[purplepittabread88]

Wow. It's 2021 and I just ranted paragraphs about Andy Dalton, James Hurst, and the situational incompetence of our otherwise good coordinators. Being a Ravens fan is the same thing year after year.

At least our Wrs are good this time?

 

[RavensMania]

LMAO Lost still brings up his hate for Hurst. Although I think Greg Roman must have stolen Lost's next, prettier girlfriend.
I respect and agree with what you are saying money wise. What grinds my gears is no player ever gets faulted for injury issues and it is written off as unfortunate. This is different for freak accident (like Stannley or Pitta who I am not at all mad at) vs a guy like Jimmy Smith or I guess Watkins.
I really respect players who play every game, and I think that skewed me more in favor of Hurst than his ability.

fair enough. It went from Hurst to BWill to Boyle to Greg Roman. All of which have stolen girlfriends from him. He hated Hurst for causing the injury to Joe Flacco. Realllly???? Injuries are part of the game. He hated Brandon William and Boyle for accepting big contracts. He was fine with Boyle once the contract was restructured and he hates Greg Roman because he's envogue.

 

[rossihunter2]

He seems adept at drawing in OPIs but because he is a tough guy rather than milking them.

oh idk - he earned his 2 DPIs but he already has that veteran way about him to make sure they called lol

i think we've earned 3 DPIs this season and they've all been earned by him - he's got the knack and part of that is just ball-tracking and adjusting back to the ball in the air in contested situations - the reason hollywood doesnt get them is because he's never gonna be great in contested situations and on those deep shots he's more likely to be completely clean

 

[rossihunter2]

So my opinion... no way.

For starters, it'll depend on what the yardage is gained on a first down. If we give up a 30 yard play? Sure, I'd say let them score.
If we're talking a literal first down, lets put the ball at the 37. That's a 54 yard FG. I'd give them like a 25% chance of making that kick in those conditions, and that might be generous. Naturally they still have more plays to run, but I doubt they throw it again. If they managed to get another 5-6 yards rushing before trying the kick, you're still looking at a 45-50 yard FG, into the wind, on that field, which every player out there has said was in terrible shape, especially for kicking.

I get his view point, I just don't agree with it. He's basically defaulting to "a first down automatically means we lose the game", and I don't see it that way. In a dome against Tucker, maybe. That's not what this was.

i mean tbf to harbs that's not what he's saying - that was just my genuine question about what the different win-probabilities would be

his quick death comment is clearly about the fact that if we were gonna concede a TD on that drive then it was better it happened quickly - not that it was good that we did

 

[rossihunter2]

fair enough. It went from Hurst to BWill to Boyle to Greg Roman. All of which have stolen girlfriends from him. He hated Hurst for causing the injury to Joe Flacco. Realllly???? Injuries are part of the game. He hated Brandon William and Boyle for accepting big contracts. He was fine with Boyle once the contract was restructured and he hates Greg Roman because he's envogue.

let's be real - he was fine with boyle once it became clear how important he was to an historically good run game - nothing to do with restructuring his deal lol

 

[RavensMania]

let's be real - he was fine with boyle once it became clear how important he was to an historically good run game - nothing to do with restructuring his deal lol

I talk to him all the time and that is exactly what he said to me. He didn't feel he was a bad player but always said, if they wanted blocking, get a 6th offensive lineman, not Boyle. He didn't feel he added anything to the passing game no matter how much he adds to our running game. He isn't someone that puts fear in a defense in the passing game. That and his contract was why he didn't like Boyle, but he felt it was a bit better when his avg contract value came down. He still doesn't want him on the field as often as he will be, because it will end up keeping Bateman or another WR off the field.

That and he stole a girlfriend or two. Lost also felt Hurst had something on Harbaugh and that is why we kept him in the lineup and gave him an extension. lol.

 

[Dom McRaven]

I talk to him all the time and that is exactly what he said to me. He didn't feel he was a bad player but always said, if they wanted blocking, get a 6th offensive lineman, not Boyle. He didn't feel he added anything to the passing game no matter how much he adds to our running game. He isn't someone that puts fear in a defense in the passing game. That and his contract was why he didn't like Boyle, but he felt it was a bit better when his avg contract value came down. He still doesn't want him on the field as often as he will be, because it will end up keeping Bateman or another WR off the field.

That and he stole a girlfriend or two. Lost also felt Hurst had something on Harbaugh and that is why we kept him in the lineup and gave him an extension. lol.

Lost, once again, bring your punk ass back to these threads! We miss you, motherfucker!

 

[Dom McRaven]

You know what? I ain't even mad.....

 

[airconteka]

oh idk - he earned his 2 DPIs but he already has that veteran way about him to make sure they called lol

i think we've earned 3 DPIs this season and they've all been earned by him - he's got the knack and part of that is just ball-tracking and adjusting back to the ball in the air in contested situations - the reason hollywood doesnt get them is because he's never gonna be great in contested situations and on those deep shots he's more likely to be completely clean

He demanded one yesterday, the ref threw the flag out of fear.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

i mean tbf to harbs that's not what he's saying - that was just my genuine question about what the different win-probabilities would be

his quick death comment is clearly about the fact that if we were gonna concede a TD on that drive then it was better it happened quickly - not that it was good that we did

man it was 4th down, get the stop lol, its not like its 2nd and 2 and theyre in fg range. if you play a zone with a proper 4 man rush thats probably your best bet to not allow a 4th and 11 to convert. silly rationale

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I talk to him all the time and that is exactly what he said to me. He didn't feel he was a bad player but always said, if they wanted blocking, get a 6th offensive lineman, not Boyle. He didn't feel he added anything to the passing game no matter how much he adds to our running game. He isn't someone that puts fear in a defense in the passing game. That and his contract was why he didn't like Boyle, but he felt it was a bit better when his avg contract value came down. He still doesn't want him on the field as often as he will be, because it will end up keeping Bateman or another WR off the field.

That and he stole a girlfriend or two. Lost also felt Hurst had something on Harbaugh and that is why we kept him in the lineup and gave him an extension. lol.

tell that bitch to get back here

 

[rmcjacket23]

You know what? I ain't even mad.....

Damn it. I put a comment in my phone to call this exact stat out on the boards today, and I totally forgot. Yes, that was a Flacco-esque offensive performance on that drive.

 

[rmcjacket23]

man it was 4th down, get the stop lol, its not like its 2nd and 2 and theyre in fg range. if you play a zone with a proper 4 man rush thats probably your best bet to not allow a 4th and 11 to convert. silly rationale

I mean I don't even know that I'd play zone, because with a four man rush, it shouldn't be that challenging to find a hole and complete the pass.
But once they line up 3 wide, you can essentially double team almost all of them, and still do a four man rush with a rover near the line of gain.

 

[Dom McRaven]

Damn it. I put a comment in my phone to call this exact stat out on the boards today, and I totally forgot. Yes, that was a Flacco-esque offensive performance on that drive.

Does remind me of those road games where during the 2nd and 3rd quarter, our offense would go into neutral mode for what seemed like an entirety.

 

[rossihunter2]

You know what? I ain't even mad.....

watching it live i genuinely thought we might have even managed to get negative yardage on that drive lol

 

[rossihunter2]

man it was 4th down, get the stop lol, its not like its 2nd and 2 and theyre in fg range. if you play a zone with a proper 4 man rush thats probably your best bet to not allow a 4th and 11 to convert. silly rationale

and they tried to get the stop - they just didnt manage it because of 2 mistakes (1 smaller and 1 bigger)