The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Browns Edition

[rossihunter2]

What you're saying is not wrong. I also tried to state that you can't have play action without fear of the running game. However, see @rossihunter2 reply to me above. We had far more success throwing on first down than running it.

We all know that the RBs are limited. But we are still looking for ways to improve. My very naive fan thought is to try and use the passing game to set up the run. Because right now as you said most teams know on first down, more likely than not we're running it. They're not afraid of either one up the gut and they really aren't afraid of either bouncing outside. So they know if they just play disciplined against Lamar we're talking about a 1 yard gain at most.

I think as uncomfortable as it may be and especially so for Roman, this has gotta be a pass first team. We just don't have the resources to justify trying to be a run first team.

The only way would be if we went back to having Lamar carry it 4 times a drive. If there was a greater threat to Lamar running each running play, it might help out the running backs. But we all know the consequences of doing that.

But that's what I see. Start passing more or start running Lamar more.

Also it’s been proven for years that you don’t need a good running game to be a good play-action team... obviously it makes it easier if you do but it’s by no means required to be successful

 

[rossihunter2]

Trust me I've been begging for that. I had been hating on Ty'son since the preseason. Made multiple comments about how I thought McCrary was the right guy between the two. Obviously something is up though because he's not getting a chance. But man is Ty'son bad. Murray is the epitome of ok, but not a RB1. Murray and Ty'son are just BAD.

think mcrary’s been part of a numbers crunch with all the injuries and limited PS elevations

they said he might come in and contribute after the bye week in pressers but we’ve been unable to activate him since those comments for various reasons

 

[UPennChem]

think mcrary’s been part of a numbers crunch with all the injuries and limited PS elevations

they said he might come in and contribute after the bye week in pressers but we’ve been unable to activate him since those comments for various reasons

I missed those comments! That's pretty interesting. Really hope to see him get a shot.

 

[rossihunter2]

CB: They came to play last night. Averett was lockdown. Humphrey was a split second away from avoiding that PI but otherwise played well. Young is still super feisty and has quietly put together a really good season.

marlon so nearly came away with that physical pick 6 too - had a great game minus the PI but I thought that was harsh given how physical the receiver was too

 

[rossihunter2]

I missed those comments! That's pretty interesting. Really hope to see him get a shot.

of course it could purely have been lip service when asked but idk

 

[rossihunter2]

 

[rmcjacket23]

I also have no interest in running Lamar more. That's why the only option I see is to pass more. You either do nothing different and you are what you are, that was basically your initial post. Or you try and pass more and hope there are higher highs in that strategy. Obviously idk if it will work, but it seems like the only alternative to me.

I'll personally go on record and say I will not criticize GRo if we lose when the game plan was to just have Lamar dropback 40 times if the running game is totally nonexistent.

I'll criticize him if he never tries. If you literally never try, you are committing to what you see is failing. In some games we'll be able to get the running game going. In others we won't. We should be trying to find ways to adapt. Just my opinion

Right but I think it takes you a good at least half of a game to figure out what's working or not. 1-2 possessions isn't a big enough sample size, and in some cases, you're only getting 5-6 possessions per half.

I think we are what we are. I think we just need to execute better. Lamar threw 4 picks last night, of which 3 of them were obviously his fault, when faced with basically no pressure. He wasn't pressured barely at all on any of those throws. There's literally nothing Roman can do about that. That's purely on the player playing better. Same can be said situationally for the Oline and plenty of other players, including many last night. That offensive performance last night was a collection of a large group of people not playing good football. Running poor routes, dropping passes, throwing to people that didn't exist, not executing blocks, etc.

Other than the failure of the run game, which does have spurts, I'm seeing different issues each week. The ineptness of the offense that we displayed against Miami was considerably different than what we saw last night. So I don't know what type of game plan or adjustments any coach can draw up that will solve an offense playing inconsistently, for inconsistent reasons, on a weekly basis.

People can point to the Chiefs and Colts when Lamar basically just drops back and throws it a ton in the second half and he leads us back, but there's plenty of defenses that simply won't allow that to happen. They're not going to drop into Cover 3 and give him easy zone throws for an entire half.

 

[OURavensFan]

Fuck it, we’re winning the super bowl this year, let the media crown the patriots

 

[Dom McRaven]

Well I appreciate the kind comments but we don't have the defense the 2015 Broncos had.

Just looked at the 2015 Broncos season and I mean..........he's got a point. Their defense obviously is better than this one, but look at those close games.

 

[D1City55]

I was at the game so I really had a good time, I know those at home didn’t enjoy it as much.

Tyus was a monster. 4yr/22m? What a massive steal. This guy has turned into a monster for us and hes only going to get better. Hes turning into one of my favorite players, he absolutely should be in the running to make the Pro Bowl.

 

[D1City55]

Browns secondary was on the mark. They played sound technique and were all over the field. In person this was obvious and our guys had a tough time winning their match ups, there were a couple of plays where guys were wide open but Lamar had pressure in his face before he can spot them, I think Ljack needs to do a better job of identifying droppers in the blitz. That certainly will help.

 

[UPennChem]

Right but I think it takes you a good at least half of a game to figure out what's working or not. 1-2 possessions isn't a big enough sample size, and in some cases, you're only getting 5-6 possessions per half.

I think we are what we are. I think we just need to execute better. Lamar threw 4 picks last night, of which 3 of them were obviously his fault, when faced with basically no pressure. He wasn't pressured barely at all on any of those throws. There's literally nothing Roman can do about that. That's purely on the player playing better. Same can be said situationally for the Oline and plenty of other players, including many last night. That offensive performance last night was a collection of a large group of people not playing good football. Running poor routes, dropping passes, throwing to people that didn't exist, not executing blocks, etc.

Other than the failure of the run game, which does have spurts, I'm seeing different issues each week. The ineptness of the offense that we displayed against Miami was considerably different than what we saw last night. So I don't know what type of game plan or adjustments any coach can draw up that will solve an offense playing inconsistently, for inconsistent reasons, on a weekly basis.

People can point to the Chiefs and Colts when Lamar basically just drops back and throws it a ton in the second half and he leads us back, but there's plenty of defenses that simply won't allow that to happen. They're not going to drop into Cover 3 and give him easy zone throws for an entire half.

I really do think this is fair. That's why it's not black and white. It's never entirely on the coach nor is it entirely on the player. I guess I would want as you said the players to be just play more consistently. On the coaching side I want the adaptations to come faster. Plain and simple those are the only way this current team has any chance of being a legitimate threat.

 

[Dom McRaven]

Browns secondary was on the mark. They played sound technique and were all over the field. In person this was obvious and our guys had a tough time winning their match ups, there were a couple of plays where guys were wide open but Lamar had pressure in his face before he can spot them, I think Ljack needs to do a better job of identifying droppers in the blitz. That certainly will help.

If I recall, this must've been the first matchup in the Lamar era where Ward and their other good CBs played. I think Denzel Ward was out in every other game.

 

[CanadianRavensFan]

The Bateman int there was nothing to even review, that was clear. But the third int and the TD needed to come back, they both clearly touched the ground and moved substantially as a result.

and it’s weird I was thinking to myself in the fourth that if it wasn’t for those 2 calls then I’d say the refs called a good game, letting them play, not getting trigger happy with flags, but then I remembered the missed facemask on andrews and then they called a hold on powers that really hurt and then there was 3 blatant holds on the closing possession by Cleveland that went uncalled. Yeah they let them play a little too much at times and fucking blew it at every key moment

Maybe you're right. I'm just not convinced that he maintained control when he hit the ground and I just wanted them to have a closer look at it.

 

[marklar]

Remember a month into the season when Averett was the most targeted corner in the league? Now it seems like no QB is even testing him (baed on eye test, have not seen any stats for it). He will not come cheap next year.

I am amazed at what the defense did in this game. How on earth can both the pass rush and the run defense be this good against that OL? Is it just that the Stains crap their pants out of old habits when playing the Ravens?

 

[rossihunter2]

classic browns lol

 

[ravenslord]

Ive seen enough of Lamar that he needs to practice frequently to be his best. After the Dolphins game, we went into the bye. then he got sick for quite a while and i have to say looking at him he still doesn't look healthy. I could be wrong though.

If we get into the playoffs I dont want a two week off scenario with Lamar. He needs practice.

It could be Lamar is wearing down this year from too many hits.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Remember a month into the season when Averett was the most targeted corner in the league? Now it seems like no QB is even testing him (baed on eye test, have not seen any stats for it). He will not come cheap next year.

I am amazed at what the defense did in this game. How on earth can both the pass rush and the run defense be this good against that OL? Is it just that the Stains crap their pants out of old habits when playing the Ravens?

Well the last three weeks we've played teams who largely have very little in the passing game to threaten us with, so that's part of it. He is certainly playing better, however. He got crapped on for like 1-2 bad games, but he's been pretty solid all year.

 

[QuothTheRaven]

Loooool the shade in this headline xD

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Remember a month into the season when Averett was the most targeted corner in the league? Now it seems like no QB is even testing him (baed on eye test, have not seen any stats for it). He will not come cheap next year.

I am amazed at what the defense did in this game. How on earth can both the pass rush and the run defense be this good against that OL? Is it just that the Stains crap their pants out of old habits when playing the Ravens?

Averett was out vs the bears, and against the dolphins no corners really got tested. Prior to that he was still being tried often.