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rossihunter2 said:
who knows - all im saying is those are the only ones we know about

and other than jc tretter, not sure there's any other "bigger" guys id want them to look into

and obviously that excludes all the UFAs we still have currently on the market, of whom a lot have offers including calais
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Tretter was the guy I was mainly referring to
 
marklar said:
My take on Watson to the Browns. I'm really scared it will work out, in which case this division is hell for a long time.
That said, if I was the Browns, my biggest fear would be the reason he asked for a trafe. If a 23(?) year old QB thinks he has the right to influence GM hiring, what will he do with 250M guaranteed contract? "Fire the HC or I won't play"?
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I dnt blame nfl players for any kinda leverage they use against teams.hope they continue to do it. Equal playing field
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Tretter was the guy I was mainly referring to
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i really want him to - not heard a peep about him getting offers anywhere nor of him visiting anywhere...
i know he only just got cut but surprised there's been nothing publicly about him at all

especially as he's the NFLPA president lol
 
gtalk12 said:
Watson having ANY leverage is hilarious to me.


Though I understand your point
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Yea I’m surprised how much special treatment he got. The NFL world seemingly stopped to cater his ass
 
redrum52 said:
Unpopular opinion and don't much care about the responses. I think he's a weirdo. I don't think he's a rapist like some are making it out.
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Well there's no evidence he's a rapist. It's just a word people use to make it sound more impactful than it is, and people prefer to not use the term "sexual abuser", which is what he really is.

I don't think anybody can dispute he's a weirdo. Ignoring the fact that he seems to have a massage-sex fetish, the way he went about getting massages and the sheer volume indicates some sort of problem.
 
JAAM said:
Yea I’m surprised how much special treatment he got. The NFL world seemingly stopped to cater his ass
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I mean I'm not really sure what else they could have done differently. Suspending him is a MAJOR legal liability for the NFL, because if the allegations are untrue, it's a 7-8 figure payday coming his way from the NFL all day long. If not more.

Once there's no criminal charges likely, it's basically just a risk/reward assumption on the part of NFL teams. And there's not a huge level of risk coming out of civil cases like this.
 
Watson is a sexual predator. Hiring him is condoning that fact. Now, the Browns giving him a pay raise of 10M/yr over 5 yrs adding up to 50M? It's tantamount to the Browns franchise figuratively indulging in serial sexual predation. The city of Cleveland must put this franchise out of business in the city or compel the crooked Haslem to sell it to different ownership. When is greed too much and where is the line? Oh, by the way, fuck Watson's purported QB skills or the lack thereof. Does it fucking matter in the grand scheme of things?
 
redrum52 said:
Keep that same energy for Ray Suggs and Rice. All I'm saying
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Why is that? Have you concluded they indulged in serial behavior, whatever they may be? Let's exclude Ray Rice because for his one time lapse in judgment he paid dearly with his career, unlike Watson who got a raise.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean I'm not really sure what else they could have done differently. Suspending him is a MAJOR legal liability for the NFL, because if the allegations are untrue, it's a 7-8 figure payday coming his way from the NFL all day long. If not more.

Once there's no criminal charges likely, it's basically just a risk/reward assumption on the part of NFL teams. And there's not a huge level of risk coming out of civil cases like this.
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They don’t really have to worry about whether the allegations are true. They can simply suspend him for putting himself in a situation that tarnished the reputation of the NFL which is what they have done before someone was charged with nothing.
 
Ellicottraven said:
Why is that? Have you concluded they indulged in serial behavior, whatever they may be? Let's exclude Ray Rice because for his one time lapse in judgment he paid dearly with his career, unlike Watson who got a raise.
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Rice was about to skate until the video was released. For Ray how many people need to die until you should care? Suggs allegations sounded worse than what was reported about Rice.

My thing is stop playing these mental gymnastics for why our guys ALLEDGED crimes are better than theirs. Get off your soapbox cause we're not watching these guys for their off field persona. It's what they can do on it and if they happen to be good people off, that's just an added plus.
 
Adreme said:
They don’t really have to worry about whether the allegations are true. They can simply suspend him for putting himself in a situation that tarnished the reputation of the NFL which is what they have done before someone was charged with nothing.
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Actually, they really can't. The CBA doesn't really allow for the NFL to just suspend anybody anytime they want because they might have made the NFL "look bad". If they did, there would be an appeal through the NFLPA, which would take weeks, and if there wasn't an agreement, it would likely go to arbitration, which would take even longer.

And beyond that, if you suspend somebody who's later found to basically have done nothing to tarnish "the shield" anyway, then again, you're talking federal lawsuits with 7 or 8 figure settlements payouts.

It's why the NFL didn't go this route. They knew what they were doing. The act of Watson actually getting paid erases pretty much all of that. They just put him on the Commissioners list so he's off TV, and then there's no case in a lawsuit that he wasn't fairly compensated for any potential false assumptions.

Also cite the examples you're speaking of. I'll guarantee all of them will have dramatically different circumstances, i.e. suspensions handed down after a significant amount of time has passed and pretty much all of the legal proceedings have been adjudicated.
 
Ellicottraven said:
Watson is a sexual predator. Hiring him is condoning that fact. Now, the Browns giving him a pay raise of 10M/yr over 5 yrs adding up to 50M? It's tantamount to the Browns franchise figuratively indulging in serial sexual predation. The city of Cleveland must put this franchise out of business in the city or compel the crooked Haslem to sell it to different ownership. When is greed too much and where is the line? Oh, by the way, fuck Watson's purported QB skills or the lack thereof. Does it fucking matter in the grand scheme of things?
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Well, the line would be you have a criminal justice system who is responsible for adjudicating these things, and a private business that runs an NFL team has no moral obligation to arbitrary enforce "the law" as they see fit.

It's never been a logical stance to suggest the private businesses should just arbitrary enforce the public's hypocritical morality.

And by the way... to support the Ravens is to support the Browns. It's all one big pot of money that they're all dipping from. The general public is no more or less complicit than the Browns, Texans, or anybody else is.
 
gtalk12 said:
It pathetic when you consider what other players have to go through for offences that involved 1500 bucks and some grass
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Well they're also different circumstances entirely though. Had police caught Watson doing what he was alleged to have done, then its comparable.

But you're basically talking about a he said, she said scenario in this case.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well, the line would be you have a criminal justice system who is responsible for adjudicating these things, and a private business that runs an NFL team has no moral obligation to arbitrary enforce "the law" as they see fit.

It's never been a logical stance to suggest the private businesses should just arbitrary enforce the public's hypocritical morality.

And by the way... to support the Ravens is to support the Browns. It's all one big pot of money that they're all dipping from. The general public is no more or less complicit than the Browns, Texans, or anybody else is.
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dude, you make me not want to watch football or the ravens

your weird obsession with how things are as some "gotcha" as if the justice system is a perfect system for finding truth and that the logistics are the only important thing here...

this weird idea that having morals or qualms with this situation is some sort of character flaw is more revealing of you than it is anyone else...

you always seem to go to bat for the shit things that happen to people - as if you are somehow offended by the criticism of the NFL as an institution - no one here is naive enough to not know how the NFL works as a private business and what it is legally obliged to do... that does not mean that anyone asking for it to do better is somehow wrong

you are the quintessential distillation of this meme:

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rmcjacket23 said:
Well they're also different circumstances entirely though. Had police caught Watson doing what he was alleged to have done, then its comparable.

But you're basically talking about a he said, she said scenario in this case.
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doesnt have any grounds in law which is why the criminal proceedings were not able to go ahead but it's a bit more than a he said-she said

it's a he said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said

and fyi the NFL does have precedent to suspend him even if nothing comes of this - they literally went to court over deflate-gate with regards to Goodell's ability to do exactly this - zeke elliott was suspended 6 games also despite never being criminally charged for domestic violence
 
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