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The Random Thought Thread

Ellicottraven said:
Do you know what I'm thinking right now? I am just so livid with ESPN where they so callously declared in a story that Dwayne Haskins was drunk at over twice the legal limit. I'm not debating their journalistic right to publish anything that is true. However, the kid is dead and has been grieved properly by most sports fans. Leave his soul be. Why demonize him now? I don't know man. It just doesn't sit well with me, thinking about what his family must be going through.
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Because the truth matters even if you don't like it. Just lucky he didn't kill some family on the way to Ft Lauderdale airport attempting to catch an early flight.
 
Ellicottraven said:
Do you know what I'm thinking right now? I am just so livid with ESPN where they so callously declared in a story that Dwayne Haskins was drunk at over twice the legal limit. I'm not debating their journalistic right to publish anything that is true. However, the kid is dead and has been grieved properly by most sports fans. Leave his soul be. Why demonize him now? I don't know man. It just doesn't sit well with me, thinking about what his family must be going through.
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Agreed. Empathy is a long lost value in America. People love to see the maximum punishment handed out for poor decisions, like it’s entertainment.

Sizzle said:
Much rather it be him than some innocent bystander who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why even risk it
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But no innocent bystanders were hurt. A young man who lacked maturity and guidance, and clearly had his demons to face, lost his life and a possibly bright future, but “what if” seems to be the default response by many.

When things like these happen and the court of public opinion starts throwing their 2 cents in about how someone deserves their horrible fate for poor decisions, I just remind them that you may have kids one day and I hope like hell that you don’t have to be humbled, because no matter how morally correct you think you are it could happen to anyone. I’ve been surrounded by drugs and alcohol abuse and undiagnosed mental illness since I was born, I’ve seen a lot of people that were once carefree children raised in a decent household lose their lives to drugs and alcohol, it literally can happen to ANYONE. I just hope this world doesn’t humble those who pass judgement this callously.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Agreed. Empathy is a long lost value in America. People love to see the maximum punishment handed out for poor decisions, like it’s entertainment.


But no innocent bystanders were hurt. A young man who lacked maturity and guidance, and clearly had his demons to face, lost his life and a possibly bright future, but “what if” seems to be the default response by many.

When things like these happen and the court of public opinion starts throwing their 2 cents in about how someone deserves their horrible fate for poor decisions, I just remind them that you may have kids one day and I hope like hell that you don’t have to be humbled, because no matter how morally correct you think you are it could happen to anyone. I’ve been surrounded by drugs and alcohol abuse and undiagnosed mental illness since I was born, I’ve seen a lot of people that were once carefree children raised in a decent household lose their lives to drugs and alcohol, it literally can happen to ANYONE. I just hope this world doesn’t humble those who pass judgement this callously.
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Well said, Flex.
 
allblackraven said:
Well said, Flex.
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Thank you. There is entirely valid reason to have a hatred for drunk drivers, but he didn’t hurt anyone else and he is now dead in his early 20s, there is literally no purpose in pulling the “what if” card other than to demonize him as he’s laying in the ground.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Agreed. Empathy is a long lost value in America. People love to see the maximum punishment handed out for poor decisions, like it’s entertainment.


But no innocent bystanders were hurt. A young man who lacked maturity and guidance, and clearly had his demons to face, lost his life and a possibly bright future, but “what if” seems to be the default response by many.

When things like these happen and the court of public opinion starts throwing their 2 cents in about how someone deserves their horrible fate for poor decisions, I just remind them that you may have kids one day and I hope like hell that you don’t have to be humbled, because no matter how morally correct you think you are it could happen to anyone. I’ve been surrounded by drugs and alcohol abuse and undiagnosed mental illness since I was born, I’ve seen a lot of people that were once carefree children raised in a decent household lose their lives to drugs and alcohol, it literally can happen to ANYONE. I just hope this world doesn’t humble those who pass judgement this callously.
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And I hope to hell you never have to lose a child over someone drinking and driving who had just walked the freeway to go get gas so he could get away with his dumbass decisions
 
rmcjacket23 said:
1. Their responsibility is to report the news and the truth.
2. If they didn't report it, about a thousand other media outlets would have.
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The point is a thousand other media outlets don't have the clout and reach with sports fans that this outlet does. I am not debating their responsibilities in reporting news and the truth. Do you seriously believe that this was meant to report the truth (wrt their journalistic integrity) and not to muddy the waters in an extended debate, thereby generating more views and clicks? ESPN is driven by views and clicks (not bad by itself), but, when you use a young man's demise to do it, it rankles me. That's all I have to say on this matter. I'm not even debating this, because my feelings are my feelings.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Agreed. Empathy is a long lost value in America. People love to see the maximum punishment handed out for poor decisions, like it’s entertainment.


But no innocent bystanders were hurt. A young man who lacked maturity and guidance, and clearly had his demons to face, lost his life and a possibly bright future, but “what if” seems to be the default response by many.

When things like these happen and the court of public opinion starts throwing their 2 cents in about how someone deserves their horrible fate for poor decisions, I just remind them that you may have kids one day and I hope like hell that you don’t have to be humbled, because no matter how morally correct you think you are it could happen to anyone. I’ve been surrounded by drugs and alcohol abuse and undiagnosed mental illness since I was born, I’ve seen a lot of people that were once carefree children raised in a decent household lose their lives to drugs and alcohol, it literally can happen to ANYONE. I just hope this world doesn’t humble those who pass judgement this callously.
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It's also ok to feel bad for someone who lost their life to poor decisions without condoning those actions. He clearly meant a lot to a lot of people in the league.
 
Ellicottraven said:
The point is a thousand other media outlets don't have the clout and reach with sports fans that this outlet does. I am not debating their responsibilities in reporting news and the truth. Do you seriously believe that this was meant to report the truth (wrt their journalistic integrity) and not to muddy the waters in an extended debate, thereby generating more views and clicks? ESPN is driven by views and clicks (not bad by itself), but, when you use a young man's demise to do it, it rankles me. That's all I have to say on this matter. I'm not even debating this, because my feelings are my feelings.
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I feel like news outlets have always reported the situations surrounding an active players death. Tyler Skaggs and Jose Fernandez come to mind of recent deaths.
 
Guys, it's a sensitive topic, you're all right in your own ways let's not start a mini Civil War again.

The news is the news. They have no morals, they do whatever they can to make money. So they report.

By bringing this stuff up the friends and family of the deceased go through a lot more pain than if it did not happen. That really sucks.

By reporting it, others can hopefully take a little bit of good out of a tragedy like that and learn some life lessons. It's best to avoid those types of decisions and if you find yourself in them to seek for help because the consequences can be dire.

The situation sucks all around, but we understand why the news is doing what it's doing and we understand why bystanders here fill out both sides of the argument. It's all valid.
 
SepticeyePoe said:
It's also ok to feel bad for someone who lost their life to poor decisions without condoning those actions. He clearly meant a lot to a lot of people in the league.
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Oh I don’t condone it at all, but there’s a difference between what you’re saying and downright demonizing the guy when ultimately he’s the only one who suffered the consequences of his actions.

Thank god I didn’t pay the ultimate price for my poor decisions when I was in my early 20s, no direction or purpose in life, no proper guidance, etc. because from 2010-2015 I was a disaster of a human being, I hung around absolute animals and all I ever did was get fucked up, and luckily I made it through and completely changed myself and my priorities.

Really i see it as such a shame that Haskins never got the opportunity to correct his ways, and at the same time I’m happy that nobody else fell victim to his choices aside from himself.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Oh I don’t condone it at all, but there’s a difference between what you’re saying and downright demonizing the guy when ultimately he’s the only one who suffered the consequences of his actions.

Thank god I didn’t pay the ultimate price for my poor decisions when I was in my early 20s, no direction or purpose in life, no proper guidance, etc. because from 2010-2015 I was a disaster of a human being, I hung around absolute animals and all I ever did was get fucked up, and luckily I made it through and completely changed myself and my priorities.

Really i see it as such a shame that Haskins never got the opportunity to correct his ways, and at the same time I’m happy that nobody else fell victim to his choices aside from himself.
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Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Agreed. Empathy is a long lost value in America. People love to see the maximum punishment handed out for poor decisions, like it’s entertainment.


But no innocent bystanders were hurt. A young man who lacked maturity and guidance, and clearly had his demons to face, lost his life and a possibly bright future, but “what if” seems to be the default response by many.

When things like these happen and the court of public opinion starts throwing their 2 cents in about how someone deserves their horrible fate for poor decisions, I just remind them that you may have kids one day and I hope like hell that you don’t have to be humbled, because no matter how morally correct you think you are it could happen to anyone. I’ve been surrounded by drugs and alcohol abuse and undiagnosed mental illness since I was born, I’ve seen a lot of people that were once carefree children raised in a decent household lose their lives to drugs and alcohol, it literally can happen to ANYONE. I just hope this world doesn’t humble those who pass judgement this callously.
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AMEN!!
 
Ellicottraven said:
The point is a thousand other media outlets don't have the clout and reach with sports fans that this outlet does. I am not debating their responsibilities in reporting news and the truth. Do you seriously believe that this was meant to report the truth (wrt their journalistic integrity) and not to muddy the waters in an extended debate, thereby generating more views and clicks? ESPN is driven by views and clicks (not bad by itself), but, when you use a young man's demise to do it, it rankles me. That's all I have to say on this matter. I'm not even debating this, because my feelings are my feelings.
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I think they reported news that is actual news because they'll be accused of being bias if they don't. Which is precisely what other entities have accused them of.
The news is the news. Feelings shouldn't be a factor.
 
If Oweh has a significantly better "statistical" year compared to Kayvon, we'll know it was largely due to Wink. If not then yeah maybe he was a part but maybe also our guys just weren't that good. It'll be interesting to see. Because OLBs have largely been the only underpforming position consistently on the D under Wink.
 
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