The 2022 Offseason Thread

[UPennChem]

looks like at least one of those grabs was against the "1st team" defence which is interesting because TE is basically the only unit where everyone's here at OTAs

Good point!

 

[UPennChem]

Interestingly on the whole Kolar/Likely thing, EDC and the crew must have liked Kolar substantiay more than Likely because they were prepared to go a different direction with his pick but were forced into him. Would be funny if this becomes yet another situation where projecting TEs is practically impossible and playing the numbers game is the best idea.

 

[rossihunter2]

Interestingly on the whole Kolar/Likely thing, EDC and the crew must have liked Kolar substantiay more than Likely because they were prepared to go a different direction with his pick but were forced into him. Would be funny if this becomes yet another situation where projecting TEs is practically impossible and playing the numbers game is the best idea.

what's normally interesting about TE drafting too is that you normally bank on traits over production

well kolar has the better production and the better measurable traits than Likely too lol and that's not even to mention that he's more ready schematically and playbook wise... and yet there's no guarantee he's the better pro

the interesting thing to track (because we know exactly who the ravens wanted) is likely's career arc vs calvin austin jr's

those last 2 picks in the 4th round were intriguing because it's clear that the board didn't quite go the way they wanted it to go there so they brought in guys who people in the room had strong convictions about - david blackburn who pounded the table for Pepe and it might have even been steve bisciotti who really liked isaiah likely

 

[rossihunter2]

Good point!

not gonna read into it too much - it's likely that everyone's rotating in and with tons of vets missing on both sides of the ball it's not that telling who's playing against who given there's no pads and no contact etc.

im trying not to get too overhyped about guys who show up in this portion of the offseason if that doesnt continue through august

 

[UPennChem]

not gonna read into it too much - it's likely that everyone's rotating in and with tons of vets missing on both sides of the ball it's not that telling who's playing against who given there's no pads and no contact etc.

im trying not to get too overhyped about guys who show up in this portion of the offseason if that doesnt continue through august

Oh for sure. As I always say you wanna hear people are doing well now. If they are it doesn't mean they will be later. But if they're not doing well now, they're definitely not going to do well later.

 

[UPennChem]

what's normally interesting about TE drafting too is that you normally bank on traits over production

well kolar has the better production and the better measurable traits than Likely too lol and that's not even to mention that he's more ready schematically and playbook wise... and yet there's no guarantee he's the better pro

the interesting thing to track (because we know exactly who the ravens wanted) is likely's career arc vs calvin austin jr's

those last 2 picks in the 4th round were intriguing because it's clear that the board didn't quite go the way they wanted it to go there so they brought in guys who people in the room had strong convictions about - david blackburn who pounded the table for Pepe and it might have even been steve bisciotti who really liked isaiah likely

We'll see if this is a Boykin situation with Likely and things change in TC. Or maybe he'll just ball out idfk lol

 

[JoeyFlex5]

How come travis jones fell?

It happens, dudes slip through the cracks

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Seems Isaiah likely is the biggest beneficiary of our overanalysis this offseason.

 

[UPennChem]

Seems Isaiah likely is the biggest beneficiary of our overanalysis this offseason.

Lol of course because we didn't draft any WRs so he's our closest thing.

 

[RavensMania]

what's normally interesting about TE drafting too is that you normally bank on traits over production

well kolar has the better production and the better measurable traits than Likely too lol and that's not even to mention that he's more ready schematically and playbook wise... and yet there's no guarantee he's the better pro

the interesting thing to track (because we know exactly who the ravens wanted) is likely's career arc vs calvin austin jr's

those last 2 picks in the 4th round were intriguing because it's clear that the board didn't quite go the way they wanted it to go there so they brought in guys who people in the room had strong convictions about - david blackburn who pounded the table for Pepe and it might have even been steve bisciotti who really liked isaiah likely

I actually believe Bisciotti liked Kolar because it was someone he could talk to, ie kolar's high IQ.

 

[rossihunter2]

Oh for sure. As I always say you wanna hear people are doing well now. If they are it doesn't mean they will be later. But if they're not doing well now, they're definitely not going to do well later.

idk that i agree - this whole period emphasises certain types of players - those with finesse and maybe less physicality in their game always show-out this time of year

if you're a guy whose game is more predicated on physicality then it's certainly possible for you to be not "doing well" right now but improve later in camp - it happens every year that guys you've not heard about at all throughout OTAs and minicamp build buzz late in training camp and in preseason... especially with the udfas because narratives get set (mistakenly) early in the offseason about who the guys to watch are

this is the prime season for undersized little receivers to make their name lol

 

[rossihunter2]

We'll see if this is a Boykin situation with Likely and things change in TC. Or maybe he'll just ball out idfk lol

we'll see - for what it's worth the wired segment on rookie minicamp was interesting with how the coaches talked about him and the playbook and knowledge/understanding of the offence and that there's a learning curve there

 

[UPennChem]

idk that i agree - this whole period emphasises certain types of players - those with finesse and maybe less physicality in their game always show-out this time of year

if you're a guy whose game is more predicated on physicality then it's certainly possible for you to be not "doing well" right now but improve later in camp - it happens every year that guys you've not heard about at all throughout OTAs and minicamp build buzz late in training camp and in preseason... especially with the udfas because narratives get set (mistakenly) early in the offseason about who the guys to watch are

this is the prime season for undersized little receivers to make their name lol

For sure. Let me make a slightly more nuanced point then a blanket statement. Everything you said is true and basically evidenced by the fact that almost all UDFAs that come out of nowhere are defensive players. At least for us it's been that way for years.

When I talk about showing out during this time of the year I'm mostly talking about running backs, WRs, and TEs. And even among this group your point is well taken, but also the offense has ridiculous advantage over the defense during this time of year. So if you're a TE underperorming when the guys can't hit you, that does not seem to bode well. But I get that's a generalization

 

[rossihunter2]

For sure. Let me make a slightly more nuanced point then a blanket statement. Everything you said is true and basically evidenced by the fact that almost all UDFAs that come out of nowhere are defensive players. At least for us it's been that way for years.

When I talk about showing out during this time of the year I'm mostly talking about running backs, WRs, and TEs. And even among this group your point is well taken, but also the offense has ridiculous advantage over the defense during this time of year. So if you're a TE underperorming when the guys can't hit you, that does not seem to bode well. But I get that's a generalization

i think TE, especially is a position where physicality is really important - zrebiec, for example, noted that jefferson complained to officials about a push-off by Likely to get open on Wednesday - TE's rarely separate purely with speed and burst

i think the point about WRs and TEs is a good one, but worth noting that it should be expected that someone like Slade Bolden or Tyler Badie would be doing well right now - everywhere around the league you'll see practice reports of scat backs and small WRs doing well

i hadnt really thought about the vast majority of udfas being defensive - would be interested to see exactly what the stats are - my guess is that the vast majority of udfas on offence come at lower value positions or in the trenches - basically looking at 2 twin positions on offence and defence... IDL and IOL as well as RB and LB and teams normally carry more LBs than RB and probably also IDL vs IOL (although i imagine that's closer)

 

[Davesta]

looks like at least one of those grabs was against the "1st team" defence which is interesting because TE is basically the only unit where everyone's here at OTAs

Looks like he caught it over Queen.

 

[Sandtown]

Pretty nervous for Duv honestly. He played in 49% of the offensive snaps last year. We keep saying like the young guys need opportunities. You've gotta let them play. And that's true.... Undoubtedly, but that doesn't apply to Duv. He was really given a chance and did almost nothing with it.

I posted those efficiency stats a little while ago. Proche was making much more of his opportunities compared to Duv.

I expect Bateman to take a step. I expect Proche to take a step. I believe Wallace can be a good WR3 in this league. Maybe even a WR2 in a few years time. His college tape was crazy.

I just fear that in the very beginning of the year we'll be ok at WR, but similarly to the OL last year, a single injury and the whole unit is decimated.

Even if you primarily want to play the young guys first, you need a veteran for depth.

I'm not saying it's you that think this way but I think some Ravens fans still can't get The Ravens 2013 season out of their head. I think they are comparing Tandon Doss, Deonte Thompson , and David Reed to Devin Duvernay, James Proche and Tylan Wallace which I don't think is fair. I think The Raven current wide receivers have a different mindset and swagger than the 2013 receivers. Also Jim Hostler < Tee Martin and Keith Williams.

When it comes to Devin Duvernay he definitely looked better in his second season than he did in his rookie season. I'm not really concerned about him being contributor this season and he probably will look alot better with more targets and opportunities. The Ravens may not even need to signed a veteran wide receiver but I'm sure they will.

 

[rossihunter2]

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Looks like he caught it over Queen.

queen and daelin hayes that looks like to me

 

[UPennChem]

I'm not saying it's you that think this way but I think some Ravens fans still can't get The Ravens 2013 season out of their head. I think they are comparing Tandon Doss, Deonte Thompson , and David Reed to Devin Duvernay, James Proche and Tylan Wallace which I don't think is fair. I think The Raven current wide receivers have a different mindset and swagger than the 2013 receivers. Also Jim Hostler < Tee Martin and Keith Williams.

When it comes to Devin Duvernay he definitely looked better in his second season than he did in his rookie season. I'm not really concerned about him being contributor this season and he probably will look alot better with more targets and opportunities. The Ravens may not even need to signed a veteran wide receiver but I'm sure they will.

Totally agree this isn't 2013. I actually have a lot of faith in Proche and Wallace. It's just Duv who scares me. Obviously Bateman can be a true stud

 

[UPennChem]

i think TE, especially is a position where physicality is really important - zrebiec, for example, noted that jefferson complained to officials about a push-off by Likely to get open on Wednesday - TE's rarely separate purely with speed and burst

i think the point about WRs and TEs is a good one, but worth noting that it should be expected that someone like Slade Bolden or Tyler Badie would be doing well right now - everywhere around the league you'll see practice reports of scat backs and small WRs doing well

i hadnt really thought about the vast majority of udfas being defensive - would be interested to see exactly what the stats are - my guess is that the vast majority of udfas on offence come at lower value positions or in the trenches - basically looking at 2 twin positions on offence and defence... IDL and IOL as well as RB and LB and teams normally carry more LBs than RB and probably also IDL vs IOL (although i imagine that's closer)

This all makes a lot sense

 

[Ellicottraven]

I actually believe Bisciotti liked Kolar because it was someone he could talk to, ie kolar's high IQ.

Sure. If you have a few billion lying around, you can afford to pay a few million to a TE to talk to. Talent is irrelevant