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The 1st half, The Refs and The Collapse

rossihunter2 said:
we're not though
1 of the examples of memorable plays i mentioned was from last year

it sucks that we're at 40% 4th down conversion this year but it's a 4 week sample size and is situational as crazy
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One or two memorable against how many that make this seem like it's not the lock 75-80% some on the team and around here think? That's the point in questioning it. How many outs to the right flat did we see fail to Andrews over the past couple years on 4th? I don't think I'd be complaining with others if success weren't more common than failure at this point. I'm not saying that because I expect you to respond. I'm just saying that it's surprising that it's only marginally better than 50-50 overall, and I'm not as willing to forgive as you seem to be on this year's paltry 40% just because it's 4 games in. It's like a gambler thinking this is the one I'm going to change my luck on and then bunkos out.

I get aggressiveness. But it seems to me we need to take a step back and play football sometimes too. Field position, taking points when you can...
 
Davesta said:
Bro… it’s the same story. Greg Roman recycles the same plays 1st half to 2nd half. ESPN made fun of his ass for doing this



I’m sick of Greg Roman. Harbs can kick rocks too. The master of Rah-Rah and special teams. Can only do so much in-game adjustments for special teams mofo.

*end rant*
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I'd love to be able to love and laugh respond, because this is exactly how I feel!
 
rmcjacket23 said:
The stat on ESPN this morning was that Lamar is 27/36 in converting 4th and 2 or less. So its basically right at 75%. I think Orlovsky referenced 80%.
That doesn't equate for area on the field, though.
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He's 2/5 this year on 4th down, that's 4th down from any distance but I would guess most of those are from 1 to 3 yards.

Allen on the other hand is 6/7. They seem to go for it on the regular from 4th and short. I read they've even done it in their own territory.

With QB's like Lamar and Allen you should be able to convert 4th and short on a consistent basis that's why I think it was a good choice to go for it on 4th and 2 as the thinking was even if we didn't get it, the Bills would have the ball on our 2, obviously it blew up on us.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
One or two memorable against how many that make this seem like it's not the lock 75-80% some on the team and around here think? That's the point in questioning it. How many outs to the right flat did we see fail to Andrews over the past couple years on 4th? I don't think I'd be complaining with others if success weren't more common than failure at this point. I'm not saying that because I expect you to respond. I'm just saying that it's surprising that it's only marginally better than 50-50 overall, and I'm not as willing to forgive as you seem to be on this year's paltry 40% just because it's 4 games in. It's like a gambler thinking this is the one I'm going to change my luck on and then bunkos out.

I get aggressiveness. But it seems to me we need to take a step back and play football sometimes too. Field position, taking points when you can...
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here's the data we've been waiting for



basically the ravens have been great on 4th down
havent really had many short 4th and goals since 2019 at all (only 1)

but have struggled generally in short yardage since 2019 - it seems like people are conflating those failures with 4th down and confusing the 2
 


in 2020 we found success in short yardage late in the year with 22 personnel but with Gus and JK as the backs - we also found success in the passing game that way too

not expecting that from gus straight away - he wasnt known for his explosion albeit he became more athletic and explosive as he spent longer with the ravens but it'll likely take some time for him to get close to that 2020 level of explosion

but hopefully he can still give us a boost in short yardage and between the tackles when he gets back to healthy
 
rossihunter2 said:


in 2020 we found success in short yardage late in the year with 22 personnel but with Gus and JK as the backs - we also found success in the passing game that way too

not expecting that from gus straight away - he wasnt known for his explosion albeit he became more athletic and explosive as he spent longer with the ravens but it'll likely take some time for him to get close to that 2020 level of explosion

but hopefully he can still give us a boost in short yardage and between the tackles when he gets back to healthy
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can't wait to have Gus back. Hopefully he regains his form, because JK and Gus are a great one two punch and with a healthy Hill that would be a good tandem.
 
Davesta said:
Glass half full
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This doesn’t take ANYTHING into consideration, like the pressures and penetrations he did give up but weren’t finished, and the help he had, but REGARDLESS of all that it’s an incredibly good sign, at the end of the day he didn’t let his qb get hit against a first ballot HOF edge rusher who’s almost still in his prime(honestly, dude hasn’t slowed down but half a tick since 2015) and that’s a goddamn good start for a 4th round project who had as much SPECIAL potential as any blue chip player in the draft.

I was a huge faalele fan on these boards and I’m so hype to see him playing alright, he definitely still needs multiple years of development but I think he’s gonna be a really good one.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
This doesn’t take ANYTHING into consideration, like the pressures and penetrations he did give up but weren’t finished, and the help he had, but REGARDLESS of all that it’s an incredibly good sign, at the end of the day he didn’t let his qb get hit against a first ballot HOF edge rusher who’s almost still in his prime(honestly, dude hasn’t slowed down but half a tick since 2015) and that’s a goddamn good start for a 4th round project who had as much SPECIAL potential as any blue chip player in the draft.

I was a huge faalele fan on these boards and I’m so hype to see him playing alright, he definitely still needs multiple years of development but I think he’s gonna be a really good one.
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and yet none of us saw him playing left tackle. What the hell was he available in the fourth round for. Too many GM's overthinking it.

he allowed 3 hurries btw.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
This doesn’t take ANYTHING into consideration, like the pressures and penetrations he did give up but weren’t finished, and the help he had, but REGARDLESS of all that it’s an incredibly good sign, at the end of the day he didn’t let his qb get hit against a first ballot HOF edge rusher who’s almost still in his prime(honestly, dude hasn’t slowed down but half a tick since 2015) and that’s a goddamn good start for a 4th round project who had as much SPECIAL potential as any blue chip player in the draft.

I was a huge faalele fan on these boards and I’m so hype to see him playing alright, he definitely still needs multiple years of development but I think he’s gonna be a really good one.
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watching him through 2 weeks you can see how far he's come already
idk that it's gonna be as many years of development as we were worried it might

2023 might be the year tbh with a good offseason
 


morgan moses has got caught lunging like this a few times this season - happened a few times in short yardage vs the dolphins too
he's played well at times, and has been pretty good in pass pro but has been guilty of being the guy who's missed his block multiple times now in some high leverage short yardage situations
 
I know he exited the game, but Bateman needs the Football more. I know he had his drops but let's be real here, he's by far and away the teams #1 and best WR. You don't just turn away from him because of drops; you don't have many options. Hopefully he's back sunday, with the lack of depth and talent at WR this guy should be getting 10+ targets a game. I can't even argue for a more evenly dispursed target share for the WRs when Proche has been a no-show and we know Robinson isn't worth a bevy of targets. At this point our top two guys are Bateman and Duvernay, they need the football more. It's really starting to get annoying.
 
I know the defense played like crap yesterday, but a lot of our defensive players have some age on them and a lot of them have just came back from injury or are banged up. All I am saying is that it certainly didn’t help matters that the offense couldn’t sustain any drives that led to points, which did not allow for any decent breather or for any momentum shift back to us. The offense has also got to do their part.
 
Davesta said:
Bro… it’s the same story. Greg Roman recycles the same plays 1st half to 2nd half. ESPN made fun of his ass for doing this



I’m sick of Greg Roman. Harbs can kick rocks too. The master of Rah-Rah and special teams. Can only do so much in-game adjustments for special teams mofo.

*end rant*
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Damn that was sad to watch. I knew he was stubborn but damn
 
D1City55 said:
I know he exited the game, but Bateman needs the Football more. I know he had his drops but let's be real here, he's by far and away the teams #1 and best WR. You don't just turn away from him because of drops; you don't have many options. Hopefully he's back sunday, with the lack of depth and talent at WR this guy should be getting 10+ targets a game. I can't even argue for a more evenly dispursed target share for the WRs when Proche has been a no-show and we know Robinson isn't worth a bevy of targets. At this point our top two guys are Bateman and Duvernay, they need the football more. It's really starting to get annoying.
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I thought the same thing, only I thought it about Andrews. To me Andrews this season has been the most reliable passing target and he had less targets than Bateman.
 
rossihunter2 said:


morgan moses has got caught lunging like this a few times this season - happened a few times in short yardage vs the dolphins too
he's played well at times, and has been pretty good in pass pro but has been guilty of being the guy who's missed his block multiple times now in some high leverage short yardage situations
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It would be kind of a tell but maybe if Stanley can play at high level on the left side we could use Faalele at RT on yhr goaline when we want to punch it in
 


you can see dafe doesnt even try to really tackle him here and that ball actually moves...

i get why people are upset but i sincerely doubt that singletary doesnt go down before the goal-line (he's not an idiot) - look at how he's carrying the ball and he's basically going down before odafe even gets there

feel like his options were either go for the strip or try and carry him into the endzone

this dude really has a feel for the punch out... i cant believe he actually nearly stripped this - he nearly won us the game there
 
rossihunter2 said:
i guess idk that i agree that the bills really stopped us...
i wish we'd run the ball a little in the 2nd half when the conditions got worse - the bills used allen in the running game in key spots and i think the ravens could have done more with lamar

but also we had a poor 2nd half in terms of execution - there were plays there and available that would have been huge daggers to the bills and we just didnt execute - bateman's slant that he dropped and might have housed, hill's big run where his hamstring went was gonna be a huge play, lamar missing duvernay wide open in the endzone on that final play on offence - that's 3 potential massive plays that turn into maybe TDs that became 0 points - idk what adjustment the bills made but those plays still happened

if he's talking about personnel based tells then sure - but they should have been able to work a bunch of that stuff out before the game even started

it's not like other teams don't repeat plays a lot lol
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I really dnt believe von miller lol.. he trying to make it seem like they won the game because they knew our plays from repetitiveness.. that wasnt the case at all
 
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