The Awful, The Run Defence and The Offence

[OURavensFan]

Well, yes, because the defense had managed to hold up until the end, that then became the most significant drive, but if they'd given up a TD on the first drive of the half the end result would have been exactly the same.

I just think if you're going to blame the defense for conceding late, you should also praise them for keeping the Ravens alive until late, or, even better, direct the blame at the offense, where it belongs.

0 points off that kickoff was the game, but we should have kicked the FG anyway

 

[Tank]

That's the knock on Roman is that he will be good for a season or two maybe three and that's it. How come it's the same issues that come up on every team he goes to? His situational play calling sucks. He always has communication issues. He doesn't adjust game plans, Red Zone scoring issues etc.

All you have to do is look up his history with his previous teams to see it's just the same issues time after time with him.

This is from a previous article:

In 2013, the San Francisco 49ers were penalized 13 times for delay of game, the most in the league. In 2014, the San Francisco 49ers were penalized eight times for delay of game, sharing the top spot with the St. Louis Rams and Washington.

In 2015, the Bills are second in the league for the penalty with four called, behind four other teams who have been dinged five times. One could argue Greg Roman is the common element.

Penalties are not the only thing people associate with the negative of this offense. Counters, runs up the gut, and draws on 3rd and long seem to have carried over from Greg Roman's time in San Francisco. Don't forget the inability to convert in the red zone for several games.


Now with the Bills:

It all goes back to an issue that haunted the team last season.

With Roman calling the plays, Buffalo has not shown the ability to consistently convert third downs and sustain drives. In 2015, the Bills converted on 86 of their 227 third-down chances, a 37.9-percent rate, which was No. 21 in the NFL.


I can go on and on pasting the same from other articles. It's a cycle with this guy at this point. He has to go or we will continue seeing the same mediocre team.

Sorry for the long post lol.

I get the history here and don’t disagree with any of it in principle. But think about who the QBs were on those 49ers and Bills teams. Not guys you would call quality passers and neither had any subsequent sustained success in the NFL.

 

[Deebo813]

And to think we had one of the best offenses in the league at the start of the year...

Shit just looked like that. I feel anyone could tell that wasnt gonna last.

 

[QtR Nevermore]

Yea I’d say so. JK is our go to weapon right now and he looks like a shell of a shell of himself limping around on long runs.

Isn't that a massive over-statement? JK's still looking like one of the better RBs in the league, just one who lacks his homerun speed. His YPC average since he returned has been huge.

 

[QtR Nevermore]

Shit just looked like that. I feel anyone could tell that wasnt gonna last.

Right. That was mostly about Lamar being in a good run of form (minus the deep ball) so that was always going to come back down to earth a bit.

 

[Deebo813]

This is the most down I've been on a Ravens team in a long time. Say what you want about the Flacco teams (Flacco was ridiculously worse at QB than Lamar), but they rose to the occasion in December and January. They also ALWAYS made you feel like you had a chance even when no one believed in you. No one wanted to play us in the playoffs. Those teams overachieved.

This team is the exact opposite. This team falls a part down the stretch. This team instills no fear. This team plays the level of its opponents. This team has no it factor or killer instinct on either side of the ball. This team underacheives.

Say what you will but to me, over and underachieving compared to the roster is exactly a coaching stat.

We got them next year bro, dnt even trip

 

[Tank]

Right. That was mostly about Lamar being in a good run of form (minus the deep ball) so that was always going to come back down to earth a bit.

To clarify, it was about Lamar’s running, he was pretty much all of the run game early on and his running abilities are what made things go.

 

[Deebo813]

and that was without any of our running backs and injuries all over the OL. He got another chance because of the injuries last year, but I don't expect him to make it past this season. I wouldn't be surprised to see Urban given a chance, but I'd prefer Frank Reich.

Idk if frank is good for us but id rather have outside guys than inside. im sure the inside guys have tried to help or give their input on how to fix the passing game and the shit still has sucked.

 

[marklar]

Off vs. Def debate.
No doubt the defense is better in every game including this. BUT, allowing 190+ on the ground is bad, no possible excuse.
I'm more *disappointed* in the def since they are the better unit, but the front 7 got embarrassed last night

 

[UPennChem]

Yeah it's just not that hard. The defense is the better of the two units right now. Doesn't mean they're good. They were especially awful last night

 

[Dom McRaven]

This is the most down I've been on a Ravens team in a long time. Say what you want about the Flacco teams (Flacco was ridiculously worse at QB than Lamar), but they rose to the occasion in December and January. They also ALWAYS made you feel like you had a chance even when no one believed in you. No one wanted to play us in the playoffs. Those teams overachieved.

This team is the exact opposite. This team falls a part down the stretch. This team instills no fear. This team plays the level of its opponents. This team has no it factor or killer instinct on either side of the ball. This team underacheives.

Say what you will but to me, over and underachieving compared to the roster is exactly a coaching stat.

-2019: obviously the Titans loss still stings to this day, but prior to that, we won 12 straight after starting the season 2-2 and our offense will still putting in work late in the season.

-2020: Started the season 5-1 then fell to 6-5. We proceeded to win 5 straight and clinch a playoff spot before we got MADDEN CURSED.

-2021: The remnants of the Madden Curse was still in effect and I will not be convinced otherwise.

-2022: You don't expect to go on a tear when your limited backup QB does what he does. We still won 2 games with him as a starter and in both games, we closed the door shut of a potential comeback thanks to our running game picking up the game-ending first down on a crucial 3rd down.

 

[ravenslord]

Offense scored 0 points on 4 straight possessions.. 50 yard return and still had to punt. This is much more on the offense than it is defense.

I agree this game it was but in crunch time our D cannot make a stand.

 

[Thezone27]

Can we please get a receiver in the draft?

 

[BoredMarine13]

I agree this game it was but in crunch time our D cannot make a stand.

It’s a team game and just as much on the offense as it is defense when these comebacks happen. End of the day if you don’t play well as a cohesive unit bad things happen

 

[RavenRockaRolla]

Well I think that Lamar Jackson will be back for the Playoffs and the offense will be better and give the defense rest.

 

[RavenRockaRolla]

Pittsburgh ran for too many yards though. That was not good.

 

[gtalk12]

Y’all holding the defense up too high in my opinion.

Defense held up and forced the Steelers offense to make some big plays (their receivers stepped up)

Offense did absolutely nothing. I don’t want to talk about the defense until we address the O.

As much as the Steelers ran, the defense didn’t snap and allow them to score.

They allowed 1 TD.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Yeah it's just not that hard. The defense is the better of the two units right now. Doesn't mean they're good. They were especially awful last night

I think your judging off emotions and the “eye test” if you don’t think this defense is good right now. Every stat says otherwise. They are a big reason we’ve remained in contention. They will also be key to a run next year as the offensive will undergo a lot of change in 2023.

 

[OURavensFan]

Stealing this comment from Reddit :

The Steelers had 7 drives the entire game. We forced them to punt twice. We let up drives of 15 plays, 11 plays, 12 plays, 13 plays and 11 plays. I’m not sure they did a great job for 3 quarters. They did a good job of forcing a couple FGs, but the Steelers had the ball 7 times and in 7 drives we let 5 of those drives go for 10+ plays. That’s pretty crazy.

The offense was awful. A semi-competent offense and we win but I just didn’t see the defense as doing their job tonight for any quarter of the game.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Also dramatically different circumstances in your first paragraph. One was a one score game, the other was a two score game. Not to mention that all that running in the fourth quarter and they still couldn't manage to find the end zone.
Note the 11 play, 80 yard TD drive, which took only 3 minutes (something that won't happen when you're running the ball a lot) involved 64 yards of passing and critical throws and catches to be made.

Ya know, basically your standard 4 minute offense when you're trailing.

I knew what you'd say, sideline coverage. Thanks for the input.