I mean Ridley has played 5 games in 2 years and had 1 good year. Meanwhile HH has played and might be a top 10 TE. Picking Ridley would have given them 3 1st round busts in 4 years which is hardly an improvement.
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I mean Ridley has played 5 games in 2 years and had 1 good year. Meanwhile HH has played and might be a top 10 TE. Picking Ridley would have given them 3 1st round busts in 4 years which is hardly an improvement.
gtalk12
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Ridley only missed time because of something that happened to him personally outside of football and the suspension. Prior to that?
Year 1- 821 yards and 10 TDs
Year 2 - 866 yards and 7 Tds
Year 3 - 1374 yards and 9 Tds
Haydens best year doesn't come close to Ridleys worst. By no metric is Hayden anywhere NEAR top 10 as a TE.
rmcjacket23
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Ridley is the better player. No question.
Only thing I would point out is that if there's no Hayden Hurst pick, then its highly unlikely Dobbins or Campbell are ever Ravens. They were products of the trade that sent Hurst to Atlanta.
gtalk12
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I would have been very interested to see what 2019 looks like with Hollywood and Ridley
Thezone27
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Think of how good 2018 would have looked if we took RIdley
Rd 1: RIdley
rd 1: Jackson
rd 3: orlando brown jr
rd 3: Mark ANdrews
rd4: Anthony Averett
6: deShon Elliott
6: Bradley Bozeman
rmcjacket23
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OK, but the last three guys didn't make significant contributions until much later in their rookie contracts.
rmcjacket23
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Well they're not drafting Hollywood if they drafted Ridley. I don't see any scenario where they draft WRs in the first round in back to back years.
OURavensFan
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After watching last night, and I do think Mahomes is great, but my god that was all coaching and scheme, so glad we fired Greg Roman. We got step 1 correct.
If I was an eagles fan tho, damn, really, you’re gonna fall for fake motion pre snap two times?
If I was an eagles fan tho, damn, really, you’re gonna fall for fake motion pre snap two times?
who are you calling a first round bust? Are you seriously looping Bateman in there as a bust. I don't see Oweh as a bust either.
If you are expecting a WR and TE to have the same yards receiving yards then you miss all a TE. The record for WR vs TE in a year is like 600 yards but I would still take Kelce and Andrews over most of the weapons in the NFL.
The numbers you showed though basically mirror Brown (though Brown looked better year 4 before injury) and that pick was a miss (at best 4th or 5th in class). Neither one though is going to be worth the 20m contract they are likely to see. Good 2s but not 1s but they will get the Kirk money.
For the TE game name your top 10. For bonus points how many of those 10 had a worse year than Hurst?
If you spend your first 2 years injured (and he was not great last year before the injury) then that is a conversation we get have about whether you are bust. Meanwhile if your first round pick is a borderline starter/backup with a low snap count, for a first round pick that is not a good sign. A 3 year rule is a pretty safe rule but right now you would not pick up eithers 5th year option let alone even consider paying tier 2 money (forget tier 1) and since you want your first round picks to be your core players that is a miss.
Both rookies 1sts this year looked drastically better than the 2nd year players from last year which considering on average you improve from your first year is a problem. I know Bateman was hurt and hopefully he gets better but right now that is a question mark. Similarly for Oweh he is close to being great, if almost TFL were a stat he might be among league leaders, but he needs a little more. Entirely possible he gets it but he does not have it yet.
when he was out there we had one of the better offenses in the league and that is without Edwards and JK Dobbins. He's far from a bust. We thought Patrick Queen was a bust until this season and he was performing very well about a month before RS was traded to Baltimore.
My point is it's too soon to call Oweh a bust and no way in hell is Bateman a bust and yes, I would pick up Bateman's 5th year option if I had to at this point.
rmcjacket23
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Frankly I'm OK with the "bust" label for a player that's injured, because its really no different if they're injured or healthy. If they're not contributing,t he reason doesn't matter.
That being said, if people are going to use the "bust" label, it should be more resolved/permanent to me. Feels like a lot of people just use it to describe a guy who has a bad year or two, but don't really have any clue whether the guy is or will be good.
Like this fanbase went from "Queen is garbage" to "we can't trade him... he's too good" in like 6 months. Imagine what happens if Bateman is like this for 3 years, we decline his option, and then goes for 1,500 yards in year 4, and people be like "man we have to keep him no matter what".
Far cry from "he's a bust". For me, if you're labeling somebody a "bust", we should be discussing either making sure he's not on the field at all because he sucks, or making plans to have people playing over him because he's unavailable.
Pretty sure we're nowhere close to that spot for Bateman. By far the most likely outcome for me is that he's the #1 WR on this team this year.
Davesta
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Bateman, back to back years on IR. He might not be a bust… but he isn’t a hit. EDC 1st round picks be suspect
gtalk12
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And I wish that wasn’t the case. Those 2 together I think would have been fun
it may have been ozzie's last year, but Lamar Jackson was EDC's pick. There isn't a question about that.
He's picked
1. Lamar Jackson
2. Haydon Hurst (who has been decent, just not 1st round worthy)
3. Hollywood (who was very good and flipped for a 1st in a trade)
4. Patrick Queen - who is playing outstanding ball
5. oweh / bateman -- too soon to tell
6. Hamilton and Linderbaum
Pretty darn good if you ask me.
ravenslord
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If Oweh doesn't show any improvement next season over this season, would you change your mind on the "Bust" question?
rmcjacket23
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I mean I think the problem is 2-5 don't appear to have "elite" players. Hurst, Hollywood and Queen for certain aren't getting second contracts here, which is actually fairly rare for 1st round picks in this organization. Still too early on Oweh/Bateman, though Hamilton/Linderbaum obviously looked the part in year 1.
Second contract may not be the best barometer of a successful first rounder, but the overwhelming majority of even "good", let alone "great" first round picks this team has made in franchise history, have gotten second contracts.
If I were to look objectively at the careers of Hurst, Hollywood, and Queen, to this point, they've had the on-field talent/resume of a 2nd rounder to me, as opposed to a first rounder. Hurst for sure was over-drafted.
ravenslord
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If Bateman stays healthy he will be a stud . He showed me he can be a No. 1 receiver. Oweh is the only one I'm not sure of at this point.
Linderbaum and Hamilton are fabulous picks.
SaltyDog
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It was pretty clear that Philly got out coached in that game. The adjustments by KC at halftime kept the vaunted eagle D off balance and one step behind. But I must say Mahomes is da man.