Fire Marty

[RavensMania]

his footwork has got worse since after the oakland game too - just as he was starting to make good looking throws, suddenly his mechanics and footwork and technique are regressing again

I still think a qb coach would help tremendously. I don’t care if he’s a vet, he clearly needs it.

 

[Dom McRaven]

his footwork has got worse since after the oakland game too - just as he was starting to make good looking throws, suddenly his mechanics and footwork and technique are regressing again

Like seriously? Wtf is up with him and this regression? You would think after the OAK game, he would make an effort to go with what went right in that game, but no. This has been very annoying to watch. I mean it's cool we got a BYE and all, but I don't see the necessary improvements to string some wins and make the push to the playoffs.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

uh huh.

Flacco - 15. 48 of cap hit oh look! Yanda is 2nd here. Justified. But our highest paid WR? Wallace. hahahahaha
Ryan - 14. 25 of cap hit. oh look! Julio Jones is 2nd with 8.34
Palmer - 14.42 of cap hit. (granted not playing right now). Next guy? oh look! a WR! Fitz.

I mean please. And not to mention that Flacco's base salary is lower than any of them. His high cap hit is because of pushing back guaranteed money to be more team friendly. One can only do that for so long. Eventually you've got to pay it or restructure again.

I don't really care if his salary is lower; he's got one of the highest cap hits in the entire NFL. That's what I care about.

And congrats to the Cardinals and Falcons for drafting and retaining their star receivers. Good job...?

 

[RavensMania]

Like seriously? Wtf is up with him and this regression? You would think after the OAK game, he would make an effort to go with what went right in that game, but no. This has been very annoying to watch. I mean it's cool we got a BYE and all, but I don't see the necessary improvements to string some wins and make the push to the playoffs.

Easier to go into your usual bad habits than to do the work and break those habits. Shame

 

[rossihunter2]

Like seriously? Wtf is up with him and this regression? You would think after the OAK game, he would make an effort to go with what went right in that game, but no. This has been very annoying to watch. I mean it's cool we got a BYE and all, but I don't see the necessary improvements to string some wins and make the push to the playoffs.

I don’t know what it was that made him get worse again after seemingly improving - there’s no 1 particular factor I can think of that would indicate a rational cause for his redecline

 

[rossihunter2]

I still think a qb coach would help tremendously. I don’t care if he’s a vet, he clearly needs it.

Oh yeah absolutely - and it annoys me that we have years where we just get the same ol’ rando guy to step in and fill the hole - no it’s an opportunity to get a younger coach in to help fix the qb and work with him and also be a go between and extra set of ears for the qb with the OC - and you are readily grooming a young replacement coordinator within your offensive system

 

[RavensDFan]

I don't really care if his salary is lower; he's got one of the highest cap hits in the entire NFL. That's what I care about.

And congrats to the Cardinals and Falcons for drafting and retaining their star receivers. Good job...?

But, you just said it couldn't be done with such a high cap hit. Their QBs cap hits are pretty darn close to the same percentage. In fact, in 2016 Ryan's cap hit was 15.44 of the Falcon's hit. Yet...still Julio.

Flacco's salary/cap hit has zero to do with why we don't have any consistency on offense or our lack of offensive talent. The lack falls on the FO.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

But, you just said it couldn't be done with such a high cap hit. Their QBs cap hits are pretty darn close to the same percentage. In fact, in 2016 Ryan's cap hit was 15.44 of the Falcon's hit. Yet...still Julio.

Flacco's salary/cap hit has zero to do with why we don't have any consistency on offense or our lack of offensive talent. The lack falls on the FO.

Quote where I said it couldn't be done.

I said you can't really afford to load up on the offense, unless you want to tell me what cap hits on the defense you'd prefer to dump. Jimmy? Mosley? Williams?

 

[RavensDFan]

Quote where I said it couldn't be done.

I said you can't really afford to load up on the offense, unless you want to tell me what cap hits on the defense you'd prefer to dump. Jimmy? Mosley? Williams?

And I quote:

"The fact of the matter is that when you're quarterback eats 1/6 of your cap, you can't afford to load up on offense. At some point, you have to justify your cap hit by playing a little bit better."

Sorry, you said nothing about it having anything at all to do with defensive contracts. You rested it solely on Flacco's cap hit.

Nice try though.

And if you're attempting to imply you can't have both, our defense has allowed 19 ppg and the Falcons have allowed 21.5. Not much of a difference. Basically because our FO keeps chasing that elusive defensive domination that can no longer be duplicated in today's NFL. The team has no offensive identity because Ozzie & Co have no offensive vision. It is an afterthought.

 

[Tru11]

Who is talking about spending? The bulk of that cap hit is your QB, not your offense in general. I'm talking about drafting other than below the 3rd round. I'm talking about perhaps once trading up in the first for a quality WR instead of using patchwork tactics over and over and over. Nine times out of 10 those so-called proven vets turn out to be over and done and/or retire the next season. Wallace is a one trick pony. Always was and always will be. Maclin signing I actually liked, and still do if he can prove he isn't now made of glass. If we'd spent any time on the offense we'd have quality receiving options that aren't on their last legs and actually have chemistry with Flacco.



lol @ the cap . That is always the go to isn't it? The proof is in the pudding, or in this case, drafting. It's obvious and trying to use the cap to disprove it is ridiculous when the bulk of that cap goes to the QB. That hardly proves we put any thought or love into the offense. Not to mention of course we spend more of the cap on offense because we DRAFT DEFENSE. so they are not paid like the patchwork vets we bring int. See above for more detail.

last 3 draft we spend as much 1st and 2nd round picks on offense as on defense.

again you have no idea what you are talking about..

the QB is part of the offense.
paying his ass is showing love to that side off the ball.
even if you take his ass out of the equation then the spending on both sides is pretty much equal.

there is simply nothing that supports your statement that the defense gets more love whatsoever.

the fact is and remains that the offense simply is not preforming up to what is invested in them.
that is on the QB making so much and not playing up to it.
its on the OC who sucks.
its on the picks that suck.
its on certain injuries.
its on some certain trades that amounted to shit.
its on bad contracts and extensions handed out.

however the fact remains they offense has had as much if not more investements made into them then the defense but the return has been disgusting.

 

[Tru11]

Paying Wallace was a choice between whether or not to save 6M.

Paying Flacco is a choice between whether or not to owe an additional 22M each of the next 2 years.

Also again Flaccos average contract is not that massive relative to the QB market. This year has a big cap hit but lets be honest again thats a result of his early cap hits being 6M 14M 14M and those missing cap numbers were eventually going to come home on a 20M dollar deal. Picking out a single years cap hit is just silly. You could structure Cam Newtons contract so that he has a 50M dollar cap hit one year and 6M the rest but that wouldnt mean you should expect him to play 8x better that year. You look at average contract length to determine value.

Also again, if a play ends in an interception because the ball goes off both hands of the receiver and into the hands of the defender I dont put that on the QB. That has happened 4 times in the past month and while 1 of them was a missed penalty and 1 of them a great defensive play the other 2 i place purely on the receiver.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

His cap hit will be around 25 mil or higher for the coming years.
It was over 20 mil last year as well.

Its by no means just this season.

Also his contract avg is 6th highest this season.
Brees is in his final year and Cousins is playing on the franchise tag.
Flacco contract avg could be 4th highest going into next season.

Flacco has a top 6 contract and his play has not even been top 15 worthy since 2014 and that is me putting it very mild.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

And I quote:

"The fact of the matter is that when you're quarterback eats 1/6 of your cap, you can't afford to load up on offense. At some point, you have to justify your cap hit by playing a little bit better."

Sorry, you said nothing about it having anything at all to do with defensive contracts. You rested it solely on Flacco's cap hit.

Nice try though.

And if you're attempting to imply you can't have both, our defense has allowed 19 ppg and the Falcons have allowed 21.5. Not much of a difference. Basically because our FO keeps chasing that elusive defensive domination that can no longer be duplicated in today's NFL. The team has no offensive identity because Ozzie & Co have no offensive vision. It is an afterthought.

I said you can't afford to, as it would not be the wisest allocation of resources.

And oh, you know what the Falcons have done recently? Spent first and second round picks out the ass on defensive players. They are having such defense heavy drafts with a defensive minded head coach. The exact thing you want to berate the Ravens for.

You didn't research the Falcons before you used them as an example, did you?

 

[RavensMania]

I don’t know what it was that made him get worse again after seemingly improving - there’s no 1 particular factor I can think of that would indicate a rational cause for his redecline

Especially since he has more time in he pocket now than he did the first 8 prior to the raiders game.

 

[rossihunter2]

Especially since he has more time in he pocket now than he did the first 8 prior to the raiders game.

yeah its crazy

 

[RavensDFan]

last 3 draft we spend as much 1st and 2nd round picks on offense as on defense.

again you have no idea what you are talking about..

the QB is part of the offense.
paying his ass is showing love to that side off the ball.
even if you take his ass out of the equation then the spending on both sides is pretty much equal.

there is simply nothing that supports your statement that the defense gets more love whatsoever.

the fact is and remains that the offense simply is not preforming up to what is invested in them.
that is on the QB making so much and not playing up to it.
its on the OC who sucks.
its on the picks that suck.
its on certain injuries.
its on some certain trades that amounted to shit.
its on bad contracts and extensions handed out.

however the fact remains they offense has had as much if not more investements made into them then the defense but the return has been disgusting.

OMG! So funny you only choose the last 3 drafts lmao How cute. Nope sorry. QB is the highest paid position on ANY team. Yet, funny, the other teams (as I pointed out) whose QBs are using pretty much the same amount of their cap manage to actually have quality offensive players. Isn't that odd?

You can talk out your ass all you like and try to claim people don't know what they're talking about. One need only go look at our draft history and the patchwork FA shit we have done with offense for the past 9 years to see the truth. The facts prove you incorrect. One draft where we spent a first round pick and a second on a TE and a WR do not a pattern make. Too little too late because somehow we managed to pick those guys with "questions" . And we wait until our QB is heading into year 10 to actually try to do something.

Since 2008 (not including that year since we did not get Flacco nor know he was going to be THE guy yet) we've used exactly 6 picks above round 3 on offense. Out of those 6 , 3 were prior to 2015, and 3 after. Only two of those picks have been first round. Of those two, only ONE was a first round pick of a receiving option and that did not happen until 2015.

I said you can't afford to, as it would not be the wisest allocation of resources.

And oh, you know what the Falcons have done recently? Spent first and second round picks out the ass on defensive players. They are having such defense heavy drafts with a defensive minded head coach. The exact thing you want to berate the Ravens for.

You didn't research the Falcons before you used them as an example, did you?

You said what you said. That was a direct quote. Don't try to change it now.

Nope sorry. We've been defensive heavy for 9 years. Certainly there will be years where you go defense or offense but not so one sided as the Ravens have been for 9 years.

The Falcons did not ignore their offense for 9 years and did not ignore their defense for 9 years. Their defense has just been their most needy unit most recently. What was our most needy unit last season? Offense right? What did we do this off season? Now you get it?

The Falcons drafted Julio in the first in 2011. They had their guy. Their drafts are defensive/offensive heavy in the first 3 rounds fairly evenly taking mostly O line guys for offense after 2011. 2016 and 2017 they were defensive heavy since that was their most needy unit.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

OMG! So funny you only choose the last 3 drafts lmao How cute. Nope sorry. QB is the highest paid position on ANY team. Yet, funny, the other teams (as I pointed out) whose QBs are using pretty much the same amount of their cap manage to actually have quality offensive players. Isn't that odd?

You can talk out your ass all you like and try to claim people don't know what they're talking about. One need only go look at our draft history and the patchwork FA shit we have done with offense for the past 9 years to see the truth. The facts prove you incorrect. One draft where we spent a first round pick and a second on a TE and a WR do not a pattern make. Too little too late because somehow we managed to pick those guys with "questions" . And we wait until our QB is heading into year 10 to actually try to do something.

Since 2008 (not including that year since we did not get Flacco nor know he was going to be THE guy yet) we've used exactly 6 picks above round 3 on offense. Out of those 6 , 3 were prior to 2015, and 3 after. Only two of those picks have been first round. Of those two, only ONE was a first round pick of a receiving option and that did not happen until 2015.




You said what you said. That was a direct quote. Don't try to change it now.

Nope sorry. We've been defensive heavy for 9 years. Certainly there will be years where you go defense or offense but not so one sided as the Ravens have been for 9 years.

The Falcons did not ignore their offense for 9 years and did not ignore their defense for 9 years. Their defense has just been their most needy unit most recently. What was our most needy unit last season? Offense right? What did we do this off season? Now you get it?

The Falcons drafted Julio in the first in 2011. They had their guy. Their drafts are defensive/offensive heavy in the first 3 rounds fairly evenly taking mostly O line guys for offense after 2011. 2016 and 2017 they were defensive heavy since that was their most needy unit.

You inow as well as I do that thers is a such thing as a figure of speech, right? Can't afford to is one of the more common figures of speech. Of course they literally can put more money into the offense, but it's a give and take.

What's your definition of offensive or defensive drafts?

What did they do? Signed Howard and Maclin. Exercised the option on Wallace.

 

[Tru11]

OMG! So funny you only choose the last 3 drafts lmao How cute. Nope sorry. QB is the highest paid position on ANY team. Yet, funny, the other teams (as I pointed out) whose QBs are using pretty much the same amount of their cap manage to actually have quality offensive players. Isn't that odd?

You can talk out your ass all you like and try to claim people don't know what they're talking about. One need only go look at our draft history and the patchwork FA shit we have done with offense for the past 9 years to see the truth. The facts prove you incorrect. One draft where we spent a first round pick and a second on a TE and a WR do not a pattern make. Too little too late because somehow we managed to pick those guys with "questions" . And we wait until our QB is heading into year 10 to actually try to do something.

Since 2008 (not including that year since we did not get Flacco nor know he was going to be THE guy yet) we've used exactly 6 picks above round 3 on offense. Out of those 6 , 3 were prior to 2015, and 3 after. Only two of those picks have been first round. Of those two, only ONE was a first round pick of a receiving option and that did not happen until 2015.




You said what you said. That was a direct quote. Don't try to change it now.

Nope sorry. We've been defensive heavy for 9 years. Certainly there will be years where you go defense or offense but not so one sided as the Ravens have been for 9 years.

The Falcons did not ignore their offense for 9 years and did not ignore their defense for 9 years. Their defense has just been their most needy unit most recently. What was our most needy unit last season? Offense right? What did we do this off season? Now you get it?

The Falcons drafted Julio in the first in 2011. They had their guy. Their drafts are defensive/offensive heavy in the first 3 rounds fairly evenly taking mostly O line guys for offense after 2011. 2016 and 2017 they were defensive heavy since that was their most needy unit.

How many times have the team made a trade for an offense player compared to a defense player in the past 10 years?
How many times have we brought in big name players on offense compared to defense in the past 10 years?

You do know that FA starts before the draft right?

Draft is not the only way to add players to your team.

The only persons talking out their ass are people like you who cant stick to facts.

The cap numbers are a fact.
There is simply no way to dispute them whatsoever.

When the cap number for the offense is higher its simply means that the team is spending more on offense.
You have no argument whatsoever that supports anything different.

 

[Adreme]

I don't really care if his salary is lower; he's got one of the highest cap hits in the entire NFL. That's what I care about.

And congrats to the Cardinals and Falcons for drafting and retaining their star receivers. Good job...?

Were you blaming him for having cap hits of 6m 14m and 14m because this is where that leads. We delayed the 20m cap hit for 3 years and now its going to get payed off.

I guess they could have extended him again and delayed the problem one more year but eventually you have to eat the big cap hit.

 

[RavensDFan]

How many times have the team made a trade for an offense player compared to a defense player in the past 10 years?
How many times have we brought in big name players on offense compared to defense in the past 10 years?

You do know that FA starts before the draft right?

Draft is not the only way to add players to your team.

The only persons talking out their ass are people like you who cant stick to facts.

The cap numbers are a fact.
There is simply no way to dispute them whatsoever.

When the cap number for the offense is higher its simply means that the team is spending more on offense.
You have no argument whatsoever that supports anything different.

No because we were not even talking about money. People like you and BMore brought up the cap to try to insinuate that we do not ignore the offensive needs at draft time, which was the entire point, and how we use patchwork answers for offense for the last 9 years.

Because the initial statement was as follows: "if we had not ignored the offense in the draft then we would have guys here who had some talent and chemistry with Flacco". Then you want to try to use the cap as some indication to make that untrue. It simply is not.

FA is part of the issue. Give me a bit and I will make a list of all those stellar offensive players we've brought in during FA.

 

[RavensDFan]

You inow as well as I do that thers is a such thing as a figure of speech, right? Can't afford to is one of the more common figures of speech. Of course they literally can put more money into the offense, but it's a give and take.

What's your definition of offensive or defensive drafts?

What did they do? Signed Howard and Maclin. Exercised the option on Wallace.

Well since the entire point was ignoring the offense in higher rounds, I was only talking about round 3 and higher. Since the issue is drafting offense in later rounds and expecting some sort of "gem". Not something we are capable of doing, at least offensively, though other teams do it well.