Which is the case when he is asked to scan the field (and when there is a field to scan)
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Yeah, there's nothing to suggest that Joe wasn't asked to scan the field other than a comment that has been debunked as fake.
Tru11
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I havent read or heard anywhere harbaugh or Marty say that flacco wasent allowed to go through his progressions prior to this game.
Do you have any quote from them that supports what you say or is this another fairy tale?
Tru11
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when was he asked to not scan the field?
i really want to know where people get this from.
if there is any truth to this then harbaugh needs to be fired right away and never allowed to be a HC ever again.
JoeyFlex5
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Could it actually be that the knee brace messed with his head? I can't imagine a knee brace having a big impact on your mechanics, I mean it's not like it's a 20 lb ankle weight, it's just a slight bit stiffer of a leg. But maybe having that brace just makes him feel like he's gotta protect his knee, it makes him feel crippled in a sense? Maybe having the brace off just makes him feel like he can play more free and he doesn't have that constant reminder of his injury.
Then again it's probably just that he had a hell of a day vs a shit defense. I'll tell you one thing for sure though, his receivers actually holding on to the ball made a difference, how do you expect joe to keep taking shots to receivers when they constantly drop the ball? There were some drops but overal they were getting hit right in the hands and actually holding on. If our receivers can consistently hold on to a ball that hits them right in the hands, it establishes rhythm and chemistry, couple easy pitch and catch plays for meaningful yards is how you get a qb hot, dumpoffs that go for one yard don't, and if joe has no faith in the receivers holding the ball he's gonna keep relying on backs and TEs as a release valve because he feels that's the best chance to not have a play go for 0 yards
Then again it's probably just that he had a hell of a day vs a shit defense. I'll tell you one thing for sure though, his receivers actually holding on to the ball made a difference, how do you expect joe to keep taking shots to receivers when they constantly drop the ball? There were some drops but overal they were getting hit right in the hands and actually holding on. If our receivers can consistently hold on to a ball that hits them right in the hands, it establishes rhythm and chemistry, couple easy pitch and catch plays for meaningful yards is how you get a qb hot, dumpoffs that go for one yard don't, and if joe has no faith in the receivers holding the ball he's gonna keep relying on backs and TEs as a release valve because he feels that's the best chance to not have a play go for 0 yards
DeVito52
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This is an example of a statement that has no factual relevancey. Maybe you personally don’t remember plays that don’t have a meaningful outcome, but I, along with many other posters on here I’m sure, pay close attention to each play and what goes on during it like rossi was speaking about. Adding this post to your argument is meaningless and is probably why he didn’t respond to it. “Honestly, I bet you and 90% of the fans..” give me a break and don’t insult him.
It's true. We've probably had like 800 plays so far this season on offense, give or take.
You telling me you remember all of them? Not a chance.
I could quiz you immediately after a game on personnel groupings, formations, etc. on specific plays and you wouldn't remember it all.
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When you see the routes and the play design it's generally only Wallace running deep if he even does. Up until the Detroit game, it was mainly 12 sets or even 3 TEs sets or any heavy package you could think and if it wasn't, Maclin was just supposed to run short routes, Wallace was a decoy and Moore a blocker. WRs actually running a route going further than 10 yards was a rarity. Knowing this, why would Flacco scan the field? To wait for Wallace to get behind the safety?
Tru11
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Still does not awnser my question.
If player A runs to the flat on the left and player B runs to the flat on the right , he would still have to scan the field even though neither route is further then 10 yards.
nothing that you said has anything to with my question lol.
different routes to different spots require scanning the field regardless of personell grouping.
of course he has been asked to read the field previously - he just hasnt done it well and obviously a lot of that is on joe just being better against a worse defence but i sincerely believe that the playcalling gave him more time and space to be confident that he could make the reads and as a result everything looked so much better
i dont know i wouldnt have thought it would and yet going back and watching he just looked so much more comfortable in the pocket using his feet and moving around and moving forward into his throws - it was the best ive seen him move in the pocket since 2014
Well when the play design is so weak and all you see is shotgun snap with the QB passing the tenth of second after he got the ball something tells me he's doing what's asked of him and not trying to see too much.
i think tbf it feels like joe was asked to read the field but didnt feel confident so would stare down guys and wouldnt read the whole field before throwing to his checkdown/safe short pass
I'd agree if he actually stared down. We're talking about get the ball: throw the ball. That is why I was mad, because Flacco was barely looking that he was throwing the ball. I don't know the reasons but if I am to read between the lines I'd point the finger at the OC for that. Maclin, Pitta and in a sense Flacco have expressed their lack of confidence in the play call and for the exact same reason, it's checkdown before any read (or at least it was before the Lions game, which again was excellent in terms of playcalling).
Pitta is irrelevant because Joe and Harbs spoke out against him, but where did Maclin and Joem
Pitta: whatever Joe said about that is pure diplomacy
Maclin: There was the incident of him shouting in Marty's face because he was fed up with the offense.
Joe: all those "air it out", "let it loose" comments. I don't think a guy that says that would be the type to throw quick 1 yards flat routes.
No, what ever Pitta said is purely irrelevant because he played all of three TC days for the Ravens and zero with Flacco. It isn't pure diplomacy from Joe or Harbs. It's more likely Pitta defending his BFF.
Do we know what Maclin said?
That sounds like a comment about the offense as a whole, not just Joe. I mean, like I keep referencing, from weeks 6-12, Joe had an average of 4 deep pass attempts per game and connected on one.
You see i think it was a direct result of being more aggressive. Just differing opinions
just from joe himself 3 criticizing the playcalling and saying we need to be more agressive.
Why would he call out his play caller if it was joes personal decision to check down to the flat after 3 seconds or throw 2 yards on 3rd and 8?
To me it wasn't his decision, he wasn't happy, he called the coaches out, they decided to play more aggressive and sunday was a direct result of that.
Oh and pitta who knows football better tahn anyone here including yourself and bmorebird said as much. Ill take his opinion on what he saw over anyone elses