Zach Orr's Potential Return

[Grim]

This is a real kick to the genitals. Kind of a jerk move. If he had intentions of coming back he would've signed a cheap deal here on a one year prove it and then left next year. I doubt we get any compensation for him unless we pull a NE and designate him as a guy we will receive compensation from like they did with RB Blount. It's too far and too late in the game for any compensatory pick to come from his signing otherwise because it's past that point in the offseason and free agents signed now don't count in the compensatory formula.

 

[jboy19]

This is wild news considering there was one report that said he was our FA priority over Williams.

In the long run, I think we still came out on top. For the long term, I'd rather have Williams and Bowser than Orr and (insert DT from a thin, weak class here). Orr was a solid chase linebacker but nothing more. He's not spectacular at anything except for pursuing and tackling. Recognition, coverage, and block shedding are all average.

He never did file retirement papers, so maybe we can get a comp pick in theory? Not sure how it works with him being a UDFA.

It's hard to tell if the Ravens get a comp pick because the formula is confidential. But people who have studied the results (Brian Tyms and Tyrunn Walker for example) seem to think that losing untendered restricted free agents to other teams will not result in any compensatory picks for the original team.

 

[Dom McRaven]

And now he's visiting Ravens Midwest.

 

[Rav'n Maniac]

A quote from Orr:

"I really don't know [where I'll play] yet," he said Wednesday. "I'm eager to see. I just want to play football. I just want to play ball. I mean perfect situation, perfect scenario, of course Baltimore. I have a great relationship with everybody in that organization, teammates that I've got to know really well that I'll talk to for the rest of my life and then obviously with C.J. Mosley, we came into the league the same year and I felt like we had a chance to be one of the best tandems in the National Football League, we're working toward that. So perfect scenario, Baltimore obviously would be favorites. But I just want to play football. And at the end of the day, that's what I want to do. I love ball and I'm ready to give whoever or whatever my all out there on the field."

Orr said the Ravens are aware of his current situation.

 

[jboy19]

This is a real kick to the genitals. Kind of a jerk move. If he had intentions of coming back he would've signed a cheap deal here on a one year prove it and then left next year. I doubt we get any compensation for him unless we pull a NE and designate him as a guy we will receive compensation from like they did with RB Blount. It's too far and too late in the game for any compensatory pick to come from his signing otherwise because it's past that point in the offseason and free agents signed now don't count in the compensatory formula.

I don't think he was trying to pull a fast one on the Ravens. It seems the likely situation was that the Ravens doctors refused to clear him and told him he should retire, so he stepped away. Later ended up seeing another doctor who told him that he could technically still play, so he wants to find a team willing to sign him. Baltimore likely wouldn't have signed him to a RFA contract anyway because he likely wouldn't be passing a physical in Baltimore. I definitely wouldn't think that they would sign him at this point.

I think it is unlikely that the second doctor said that there wasn't a congenial neck/spine problem- there's no way the Ravens would have encouraged his retirement when they would have been able to bring him back at a cheap (relatively) RFA price if the condition wasn't correctly identified and obviously dangerous- they obviously would have conducted several tests to confirm their diagnoses.

I think this is a lot like the Nick Fairly situation. Its a latent problem that probably (and hopefully) won't manifest into a huge issue, but definitely has the potential to. Some teams are just more willing to let players take those health risks than others. I for one am going to cringe every time I see Orr make contact. I'm going to be terrified for him just like I was terrified watching Welker play in St. Louis.

 

[Ravensnation5220]

This is probably the most unexpected thing that could have happened. Hopefully he signs with us

 

[jdynamite]

I think leaning on too many guys is too risky especially when Flacco's window is shrinking to return this team to another super bowl. I think you try signing him to a decent contract and if Bowser or Correa outplay him then fantastic good for them. But this team has been down this road before. Leaning on too many young guys can kill an entire season.

Orr is also a young guy though, sure he performed beyond anyone's expectations last year, but that was his first year as a starter.

Its not that big of a drop off in terms of experience.

 

[Grim]

I don't think he was trying to pull a fast one on the Ravens. It seems the likely situation was that the Ravens doctors refused to clear him and told him he should retire, so he stepped away. Later ended up seeing another doctor who told him that he could technically still play, so he wants to find a team willing to sign him. Baltimore likely wouldn't have signed him to a RFA contract anyway because he likely wouldn't be passing a physical in Baltimore. I definitely wouldn't think that they would sign him at this point.

I think it is unlikely that the second doctor said that there wasn't a congenial neck/spine problem- there's no way the Ravens would have encouraged his retirement when they would have been able to bring him back at a cheap (relatively) RFA price if the condition wasn't correctly identified and obviously dangerous- they obviously would have conducted several tests to confirm their diagnoses.

I think this is a lot like the Nick Fairly situation. Its a latent problem that probably (and hopefully) won't manifest into a huge issue, but definitely has the potential to. Some teams are just more willing to let players take those health risks than others. I for one am going to cringe every time I see Orr make contact. I'm going to be terrified for him just like I was terrified watching Welker play in St. Louis.

Yeah I'm not mad at Orr because you can't blame a player for going for money. I do think it's about the money for him right now. I don't care if he signs elsewhere that's not why I called it a jerk move. I just think it's a jerk move to retire and then later change your mind when it's too late for the team to do something to get compensation for your departure. If he felt he was going to not actually retire I think he should've told the team so we could've tendered him and cost us nothing later when he retired so we'd have his rights.

By kick to the genitals, I think it's more of a "damn that sucks" than "I hate you" feeling.

 

[rossihunter2]

Yeah I'm not mad at Orr because you can't blame a player for going for money. I do think it's about the money for him right now. I don't care if he signs elsewhere that's not why I called it a jerk move. I just think it's a jerk move to retire and then later change your mind when it's too late for the team to do something to get compensation for your departure. If he felt he was going to not actually retire I think he should've told the team so we could've tendered him and cost us nothing later when he retired so we'd have his rights.

By kick to the genitals, I think it's more of a "damn that sucks" than "I hate you" feeling.

for that to be the case though, you are assuming that he knew he was going to be able to unretire pretty much from the get-go which is a deeply cynical and to be honest unlikely scenario

 

[Grim]

for that to be the case though, you are assuming that he knew he was going to be able to unretire pretty much from the get-go which is a deeply cynical and to be honest unlikely scenario

He never filed his retirement paperwork from what I heard so yeah

 

[rossihunter2]

He never filed his retirement paperwork from what I heard so yeah

he never filed it because he never needed to because he had no impression from anyone he'd spoken to that he was going to be able to come back - and likewise the ravens didnt put him on the reserve/retired list - both sides were of the impression that his career was over and because his contract was over there was no need to do anything else...

 

[K-Dog]

I am not positive he is going to get the paycheck some here think he is.
There still could be potential injury risk. I think most teams will approach him with great caution.

 

[BloodRaven]

I think we'll learn from this one

 

[Grim]

he never filed it because he never needed to because he had no impression from anyone he'd spoken to that he was going to be able to come back - and likewise the ravens didnt put him on the reserve/retired list - both sides were of the impression that his career was over and because his contract was over there was no need to do anything else...

Serious question but if you're retiring why wouldn't you file the paperwork? Again just so you are clear I don't think this is premeditated or anything ridiculous like that. Bad circumstances and that makes it a kick to the genitals and it's a jerk move in that I only think it would've been nice to sign him back on a year prove it but that's my selfish opinion as a fan. I can't blame him for going for the money when he can while he can because who knows what would happen. It's just they both [Ravens and Orr] made a big deal about him loving this place and the team and the retirement that it's a kick to the groin that he could very likely play for another team this year and the team gets nothing for it. That's not right to me.

 

[The Greek]

if the d-line is doing its job than you can plug anyone with above avg. skills in that spot and get similar results. i am looking forward to see that battle unfold in training camp. will come down between correa and onswausor imo.

 

[rossihunter2]

It's just they both [Ravens and Orr] made a big deal about him loving this place and the team and the retirement that it's a kick to the groin that he could very likely play for another team this year and the team gets nothing for it. That's not right to me.

oh i agree that it sucks but i dont begrudge him going out and making as much money as he can because for him even moreso than other players the money might not be there for long - i dont think him loving this place and him going to another team to make a load of money in light of his circumstances are mutually exclusive...

 

[Oldfaithful]

He's visiting Detroit 1st. Said he's been contacted by 8 teams. Wish him the best wherever he ends up.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/28/report-zachary-orr-to-visit-lions/

Good. Let an idiot team like Detroit overpay for him. He's not a bad player, but they would be a team who would pay him like an all pro

 

[Sledge Hammer]

Don't care where he signs. We drafted Bowser. Much higher roof.

 

[RavensMania]

Serious question but if you're retiring why wouldn't you file the paperwork? Again just so you are clear I don't think this is premeditated or anything ridiculous like that. Bad circumstances and that makes it a kick to the genitals and it's a jerk move in that I only think it would've been nice to sign him back on a year prove it but that's my selfish opinion as a fan. I can't blame him for going for the money when he can while he can because who knows what would happen. It's just they both [Ravens and Orr] made a big deal about him loving this place and the team and the retirement that it's a kick to the groin that he could very likely play for another team this year and the team gets nothing for it. That's not right to me.

Actually many players go years without filing. I can't give examples, but I've heard about players throughout thr yrs that had been out of thr game for a long time without filing.

 

[Sami84]

Don't care where he signs. We drafted Bowser. Much higher roof.

Bowser has a different role. SAM linebacker.
Hopefully Correa has come on leaps and bounds since last year. WILL linebacker isn't the most demanding role and it shows with the amount of success we've had in finding guys lineup in that position.