K-Dog
MVP
Federal law.
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Willbacker
Ravens Ring of Honor
This is a very good question but no minors have a lot of rights that have been made thruout the years. Like one being not having to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
As for the totality of your question yes only adults have full constitutional rights which children don't have until they reach 18. Like they're not allowed to vote also besides gun ownership.
K-Dog
MVP
The bakery had to pay a huge amount of money.
Willbacker
Ravens Ring of Honor
That's total BS. Did the Supreme Court hear this? I guess I can walk into a liberal bakery and demand they make me a cake that has a power tie made with red icing that says " I love 45".
K-Dog
MVP
I am genuinely not sure where I stand on this.
On the one hand I am opposed to the government telling a free and independent business what policies they should and should not have. I think horrible business decisions should have their own consiquenes.
On the other hand his rights shal not be infringed. But the store is not infringing on his rights, they are a free and independent business.
Never mind.
I know where l stand....
Dicks and Wal-Mart have that right.
That makes more opportunity for the mom and pop shop down the street.
On the one hand I am opposed to the government telling a free and independent business what policies they should and should not have. I think horrible business decisions should have their own consiquenes.
On the other hand his rights shal not be infringed. But the store is not infringing on his rights, they are a free and independent business.
Never mind.
I know where l stand....
Dicks and Wal-Mart have that right.
That makes more opportunity for the mom and pop shop down the street.
K-Dog
MVP
Yeah, I guess it ties in with my post above.
The Raven
Veteran
Bullshit. Freedom to assembly. You absolutely have the right to go places. Get help.
JO_75
Hall of Famer
Considering teens who will be 20 in the years to come think it's cool to eat tide pods, I would not want them to be able to own a gun.
As for age restrictions, just get way more stricter background checks, treat it like a car and make people re register their guns every year. Once your 18, you can buy one as long as you pass a background check and haven't committed any crimes.
The Raven
Veteran
Considering there are grown ass men who voted for a racist asshole who bragged about sexual assault and filed for bankruptcy four times, I don't think I want them owning guns either.
JO_75
Hall of Famer
If the 2016 election taught us anything, it's we need a legit third party candidate or open it up to more than 2 people. Out of everyone in the entire US, the best we could come up with was Hillary Vs The Donald? Don't get me started on these celebrities who want to run now because Donald won. Kayne, please. Oprah, no. Dwayne Johnson, he should stick to acting and wrestling.
The Raven
Veteran
Okay. Let's entertain this idea. What does a third party stand for? How does it differ from the two main parties? While we're at it, what about the third parties THAT WE ALREADY HAVE? Why aren't they successful?
I'll tell you why. The American people aren't smart enough to choose between more than two people. They are only equipped to handle binary choices. Convince me otherwise.
I'm not sure there's a point to "a third party." One, we have them. Two, the ones we have are just more extreme versions of the two main parties. The fact is that our political choices are largely binary. "Having a third party" won't change that. In my opinion, we need people to 1. Give a damn about primaries. 2. Read up on candidates before voting in primaries. 3. Vote responsibly in primaries. And 4. VOTE IN PRIMARIES.
We wanna know why we have shitty candidates, yet we're the ones who pick them. Decisions are made by those who show up.
Moreover, your post is further indicative of how ill-informed the elcctorate is. The first candidates you mention are Kanye, Oprah, et al... Not Kamala Harris. Not Cory Booker. Not Joe Biden. Not Bernie. Not John Kasich. Not Marco Rubio. Like, do you pay attention? You're bitching about who the people vote for president but you don't even name the likely/viable candidates who will likely run.
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K-Dog
MVP
The Raven
Veteran
Gary Johnson? The guy who wants to privatize prisons? The guy who wants to phase out social security and privatize it? The guy who wants to leave medicare and medicaid entirely up to states? The guy who was fined $600,000 for firing an employee who reported bad working conditions to OSHA? You voted for that jackass? You voted for Gary Johnson -- a man running for president and had to ask what Aleppo is --and you tell people? Holy shit, I wish I had your self confidence.
He opposes the minimum wage. He opposes collective bargaining. He supports right to work. He wants everything privatized. He once vetoed medical spending for kids with cancer. He cut programs for domestic violence victims. And you voted for him.
Gary Johnson was an absolute farce of a candidate.
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Inqui
Pro Bowler
His sales tax overhaul was also very similar to one considered by the Bush administration in 2005 (ie, scrap income tax and put a sales tax on everything and giving lower-income households a prebate check to compensate for the fact that they were copping the worst of it), and that particular scheme would have been "by far the largest [entitlement program] in American history". Libertarianism isn't a bad set of principles in a vacuum, but get into how it all works in reality and I wouldn't want to live in a country fully run like that.
Ludy51
Hall of Famer
This whole post reeks of the arrogance that is holding the entire democratic party back, but this paragraph is one I want to focus on specifically.
The man specifically stated that he was mentioning the CELEBRATY CANDIDATES that thought that because Trump won, they had a chance, yet your dumb-ass thinks he just, what? Doesn't know about the other guys?
Your either lying, and trying to misrepresent a very respectful poster, or an idiot. Those are you only two options.
Inqui
Pro Bowler
Fwiw I think if the US were a European country the Democrats and Republicans both would have split into two or even three parties years ago. The Hillary and Bernie wings are easy examples to cite on the Democrats and it looks like the primary for 2020 will see a similar ideological showdown, but nearly every other functioning democracy in the world shows there's room for two parties like that. Likewise the Republican party's just as broad a church with different stances and importance levels placed on foreign policy hawkishness, immigration, abortion and supply-side economics. There's a bit more scope for broad coalitions that way rather than pure bipartisan bloody-mindedness, which seems to have become a pretty big part of Washington in previous years gone by.
Though as far as the presidential election goes I think the French have it right. Several parties nominate their candidate (so with a multi-party system 2016 might have seen Sanders, Clinton, Ryan, Trump and Paul all running, for example) then the top two go to a run-off. Everyone gets a shake and then a consensus is built around the top two of everyone's first preferences.
The Raven
Veteran
The fact that he mentioned celebrity candidates and not real ones shows the depth of his knowledge of the system. It's not even worth it to discuss them. If his thesis is that we don't elect good candidates, why doesn't he mention the viable ones?
The Raven
Veteran
I used to lean libertarian. Then I realized there were more people in the world than me. Libertarianism is the ideology of isolationism and selfishness. It sounds great in principle but is simply not the way to govern.
I wish we had a system that would give more sway to the Sanders wing but I just don't know if we could handle it.
To be fair - he did preface that list of candidates by saying he didn’t want the celebrities to run and then listed the prominent celebrities who’ve been mentioned either seriously or jokingly in 2020
Im jumping in having only read the last few posts but you've totally misunderstood what he said. Matter of fact i think yous both actually agree. He's saying its an joke that people lile oprah and the rock legitimately think they could be the next president. Which is also what you said.
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