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The Well-Mannered Politics Thread
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Rusfan
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I think I hate the Republican senators more than the Democrat ones. At least, the RINOS anyway.
Sami84
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the difference between me and the vast majority of people here is that like you all, I saw a similar paradigm and then i started questioning over 10 years ago. Looking into myself and then seeing this game being played by society and it's unbeknownst to them for the most part.
Also, no one here as argued against my points. Just oh its funny or dislike, really? What about the video i posted. Not a soul said a word. Because it's actualy quite irrefutable.
There is the truth and nothing but the truth. The truth is that statism/government/cops/military are evil and you can sugercoat it with gimmicks like nationalism and patriotism ( which just keeps the parasites eating away at your braincells) or you can see why the same stuff keeps happening. Different content but the same context.
You just don't like it because of Cognitive dissonance. Been there 10 years ago
feel free to test your doubts.
Willbacker
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lol..you're actually beyond repair. Maybe in another lifetime friend
Government would love you. You are the perfect citizen for them. Remain obedient and do as your told. Good lad. School was made to create people who cant think for themselves such as you.
See you talk bout debating people but when somebody jams the truth up your ass you resort to namecalling.
Sami84
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well after what was spewed out by you which was tailor made by generational programming and the fact that i've made my points that describe the logistics behind what it takes to brainwash people into thinking cops and government are not evil but noble and your response was that, why should i continue? people have to want to question things and some people don't and thats fine. Thats the purpose of this matrix system and it works.
Willbacker
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I guess we gonna have to watch the great Obamacare health plan die which does suck btw but I do like Trumps idea of taking lawmakers off their gold plan and making them deal with the plans they make into law for us "little people". Seriously it seems only fair.
Yeah they only had balls for repeal when they knew it get vetoed. Now Trump has pen in hand.........
Rusfan
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Annoyingly enough it wouldn't even matter. Those deductdables aren't even putting a dent in their pockets
Willbacker
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Please don't call the cops when you need them my friend. Your stupid geniusness would only confuse them.
Sami84
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Please don't call the cops when you need them my friend. Your stupid geniusness would only confuse them.
I've never needed them and one of them shot a friend who did nothing wrong and tried to press charges against him and was protected by this corrupt statist structure.
Sami84
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Btw this is not rocket science. It just requires people to challenge their belief system and start looking into the source rather than focusing superficially at the symptoms of issues in the world today.
Politics are superficial and based on subtle manipulation. I don't have politics. I'm not into manipulation or asking to be someone's master or a master of someone.
Politics are superficial and based on subtle manipulation. I don't have politics. I'm not into manipulation or asking to be someone's master or a master of someone.
Willbacker
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Yeah but they might have to wait in line for surgery. McCain. The bottomline tho is we gotta keep it from single payer health which will mean we're screwed. The govt will dictate when and how you're taken care of.
Rusfan
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In the future everyone is Charlie Gard
Sami84
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This is about as clearcut of a video as you can find. Look into larken rose and/or Stefan Molyneux. You guys can either grasp this or you can't. This is a ravens forum and it's clear most people are still loyal to fictional belief systems and that's fine. I've said my part, posted references and now Im talking ravens football.
K-Dog
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This is why I wont get into discussions with you. You say stuff like " brainwashed ideology " you are so fucking condescending I am interested in a sharing of ideas in an attempt to reach understanding not a fucking cock fight. " I am so real " " I am so evolved" " I am so much more grounded than you all " Not exactly inviting for a dialog. Not inviting at all.
BTW, you can go into settings and turn off notifications.
Sami84
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It is an ideology. A national anthem was based on an ideology in the form of a ritual. I've been delving into this stuff for years and it's so clearcut and obvious in day to day life, from corrupt pharma to military to oil mongers to mandatory vaccines which have been proving to cause serious defects in people. It's called epigenetics and it takes time to take hold.
The world is a messed up place and when people don't question what a national anthem represents and just go ona dislike barrage without any actual substance, yes I get a tad peeved. However, i'm done now.
What will be, will be.
CharmCityChampions
Practice Squad
@Sami84
This was in response to your post on your cop hatred from the Kap thread (deleted it due to being advised it was off topic)
Being someone that has had multiple cops in the family i don't know why I'm even bothering replying to your hatred, but here I go anyway. If you'd actually take the time to look past your stone hearted hatred and one way thinking, and not use a few examples (and one personal example) to lump all cops into one generazlied idea, maybe you'd actually see that the majority of cops out there aren't all the same jerks/murdering/hateful people. It's people with this thinking that to me don't deserve help from cops, if you knew what kind of work they go through, putting their lives on the line every time they step out to serve, and if you'd actually think about that, maybe you'd change your mind, but I don't think it will happen.
As for your hatred of the military? That's fine, the next time some country decides bomb us and take us over, maybe the "evil" military will do something to help our country. Maybe you don't agree in supporting our country and having a sense of pride, but I do, and there wouldn't be a military or country if our own people didn't stand up for all of us and actually want to make a difference way back when, but I guess I'm just being close minded. Do I agree with the way our governments run? No, I know there's some behind the scenes stuff that goes on and sometimes it seems like our government is just a puppet.
This was in response to your post on your cop hatred from the Kap thread (deleted it due to being advised it was off topic)
Being someone that has had multiple cops in the family i don't know why I'm even bothering replying to your hatred, but here I go anyway. If you'd actually take the time to look past your stone hearted hatred and one way thinking, and not use a few examples (and one personal example) to lump all cops into one generazlied idea, maybe you'd actually see that the majority of cops out there aren't all the same jerks/murdering/hateful people. It's people with this thinking that to me don't deserve help from cops, if you knew what kind of work they go through, putting their lives on the line every time they step out to serve, and if you'd actually think about that, maybe you'd change your mind, but I don't think it will happen.
As for your hatred of the military? That's fine, the next time some country decides bomb us and take us over, maybe the "evil" military will do something to help our country. Maybe you don't agree in supporting our country and having a sense of pride, but I do, and there wouldn't be a military or country if our own people didn't stand up for all of us and actually want to make a difference way back when, but I guess I'm just being close minded. Do I agree with the way our governments run? No, I know there's some behind the scenes stuff that goes on and sometimes it seems like our government is just a puppet.
Inqui
Pro Bowler
I find almost everything about the healthcare debate to be absolutely insane (by which I mean that's how it comes off to me), but then again I live in a country that 1) has a single-payer system; 2) has one of the world's more generous superannuation systems, and despite that; 3) has a government with a debt to GDP ratio of about 25% and has been posting surpluses for the past two years (I'm not a fan of government surpluses but the point is that it's hardly stretching the books). I'm sure a lot of my fellow foreigners will feel the same.
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Inqui
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Serious question because I haven't been able to find the answer: what was the substance of Trump's healthcare plan? With Hillary everyone knew it would have been a complicated run of adjustments to subsidies, tax codes and regulations (whether that's good or bad it was at least clear what she would have tried to do) but I haven't seen any specifics of what Trump's been proposing aside from repealing Obamacare (which would need a replacement system of some kind or premiums would have to go up as companies price in the uncertainty) or letting it fail, which would be more of the first option. Repeal and replace have been the keywords out of Washington, but what's been proposed in the way of replacing? Because I genuinely haven't seen any proposals (involving specifics) from Trump.
Sami84
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Do you think i'm so naive not to see why you would think this? This seems like common sense, does it not? However, Cops and the military are maintaining a fundamentally (Key word here) corrupt system. The truth is that we ALL can and have the right to defend ourselves. If people are inheritably untrustworthy, then why would/ should people be in power in the first place? it just offers them the actual consent to manipulate wealth and freedom.
There is a certain quality that is missing in this entire situation and it's the intrinsic connection of all man. Ask yourself, how are these ''bomb threats'' created? It's a collective effort and the USA has played a disastours part in never ending wars which are based on manipulating resources and allying themselves with countries like saudi arabia.
The USA as you know it was born out of violence. All statist regiems are born out of violence. This isnt just a USA issue. This is a humanitarian issue and having to re-contextualize what freedom actually is. I'm sure you've read well known texts like '' A brave new world'' by aldous huxley. Here is a quote of his that speaks volumes.
“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.”
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited
The military and cops FOLLOW orders and have no idea that their contribution leads to a collective disparity. I'd like to point something out here, I'm not against hierarchy as it pertains to skills, I'm against authoritarianism based hierarchy.
Evil is when you make a living and maintain a FLAWED evil system. It might be hard for you to believe this but you do realize that all humans could have access to clean food and water. Yes food can be free. Why do you think it's not?
Please realize that the basic arguement you put forward is based on not seeing the big picture. I'm sure there are decent people out there who seem fine and aren't cruel BUT they are carrying out a fundamentally flawed service as it's created out of manipulation .
The governments of the world understand the human dynamic can be manipulated and by creating fictional entities and nations and borders ( another imaginary line) you create servents to these illusions and in order to maintain power, you need poverty, you need war.
These things are actually profitible and there are only two types of people who help maintain this evil, Cops and the military.
If we spent all our resources on building an economy based on SOIL and permaculture, you wouldnt need MONEY.
Money is basically owned by 14 elite families and run under hundreds of currencies. But what is money? It's the means for death and destruction and chaotic order. Would man kill elephants and rhino's if money didnt exist?
this might be too much for anyone here to grasp but it's because people have been saturated with this way of life being considered unquestionable.
This is what governemnt do, they basically break your leg, if they are strategic they then fix it and ask you to thank them for it and YOU do!
Please, I'm not someone who can't see where everyone is coming from because I was like that too, but i've researched and worked it out and I'm not alone. More and more people are seeing these fictional entities for what they really are.
A few quotes to think about
''Your idea about yourself is borrowed by people who have no idea who they are themselves''
'' It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society''.
I'm tired, it's late in my part of the woods. However, if you're still interested Larken Rose and Mark Passio have lots of videos on youtube and will answer your questions/thoughts better than i can at 4 am in the morning.
Ciao
Somerset Ravens
Pro Bowler
I cannot see either the Republicans or Democrats being able to act in the best interest of Americans in regards to healthcare. Until Congress can take steps to control the cost of healthcare Americans will suffer.
I find the following list of average annual payments to lobbyists from 2009 to 2016 by these groups telling:
Pharmaceutical/Health Products 243 million
Hospitals/Nursing Homes 97 million
Health Professionals 85 million
Health Services/HMOs 76 million
The above numbers per Open Secrets.org
With these amounts being spent to influence politicians I do not see much being done to control healthcare costs. I think Congress will follow the old mantra of cash talks and all the rest walks.
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