there's no way you dont pay a left tackle playing at that level
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there's no way you dont pay a left tackle playing at that level
RL52TheGreatest
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Especially after what we went through with Monroe. Stanley might be banged up a lot of the time, but he's been really solid while battling through injuries and has shown a lot of toughness.
The Raven
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I don't disagree, but it's not a sure thing, and I'd like to be prepared for the off chance where he's gone, especially considering his injury history.
Regardless, we likely have three positions on the line in flux as soon as this offseason, and we need to make that our focus.
Interior OL is our number 1 need this offseason - and i dont mean depth i mean starters
JoeyFlex5
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While I agree interior OL is a top need, I’d call it 1a/1b to safety. If deshon Elliott with only preseason experience and 1 year out of football, and chuck Clark is our starting safety tandem, that could be ugly. We gotta cut the fucking shit with these 4th and long collapses to blow games that our offense has us in position to win
DeVito52
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There is literally 0 chance elliot and Clark are our starting safeties. At least not without us bringing in other competition. Everyone’s for some reason on the Elliot hype train but that’s from freaking preseason. And I like Clark but he needs to learn how to fuckin tackle.
redrum52
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Mathieu or Amos at S. No harm in letting Clark or Elliott get a shot. Build OL thru picks and look for a RB. Crazy idea, but let all the guys we've drafted fight it out at olb. And if a team gets desperate next year trade for a real WR if possible.
Do not re-sign Smith or Mosley. Find trade partners for Flacco and Jimmy(even though I wouldn't mind a restructure). Cut Weddle, Jefferson(if possible) and Williams. RIP the bandaid off and move forward with the young nucleus. Extend Yanda. Let Suggs test FA and don't overpay.
And get this man a shield...
Do not re-sign Smith or Mosley. Find trade partners for Flacco and Jimmy(even though I wouldn't mind a restructure). Cut Weddle, Jefferson(if possible) and Williams. RIP the bandaid off and move forward with the young nucleus. Extend Yanda. Let Suggs test FA and don't overpay.
And get this man a shield...
Oldfaithful
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JoeyFlex5
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Add a cb, pass rusher, and ol every year, don’t ever leave a draft without all 3 of those things, even make it a priority on days 1 and 2 if the value presents itself, because once you get a qb, those are the 3 things you cant win without in the nfl and even with good starters you always need extras for depth and rotation. So yes, let the draftees fight it out for OLB, but draft one or 2 anyway.
This is a philosophy I’m always on board with, however... if we don’t get a big time safety in FA, we better be looking for a way to get one in the draft, and there’s one, maybe 2 in the draft, and that’s it. If we go into next season without addressing safety with a major splash move we stand zero chance at the playoffs, but this OL while being shit, can clearly play well enough to pound out 200 rush yards a week
No he isn’t. He will get the five year extension at the very least and that beings him to the end of 2020. He may even get extended prior to that because he is not getting away.
like i agree there's a hole but an interior OL helps 2 separate facets of our game and a safety is just another high quality plug in our already deep secondary...
for me that elite free safety is the cherry on top - our defence has managed fairly well with eric weddle really not playing well since at least midway through last year...
JoeyFlex5
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You say our defense managed fairly well however quality safety play would’ve gotten us in the playoffs last year and we would’ve won over the chiefs, both 4th down plays were largely on weddle and weddle also gave up a third and forever because he refused to tackle properly on an easy ass shot and that conversion led to a TD.
And beyond weddles lapses, do we really want another Michael huff and Kendrick Lewis and Matt Elam scenario?
of course we dont - but remember those guys were also playing with jimmy smith and maybe webby when he wasnt injured but that was it - our secondary had 1 good player on it and he was injured half the time
i personally just think (especially moving forwards) that our better value positionally is going to be a guard/centre for a couple of reasons:
1) It helps lamar's development and gives him more time within the pocket to improve
2) It creates an even more dominant run game with that zone-read
3) Interior pressure is the hardest pressure to avoid and deal with
4) You have a quality interior player ready for when yanda leaves so that you dont have 3 bad OL starting next to each other
redrum52
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Oldfaithful
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Which is why I think we should be willing to pay a top end safety if it comes to it. Those contracts are usually far cheaper than contracts for a corner, and they're much harder to come by. Adrian Amos, Lamarcus Joyner, Honey Badger. All three would fit in well here. All three can play either safety position at a high level. I think Weddle could make a great defensive coach one day though. If we cut him I could see us retaining him in some capacity, whether it be as a coach, FO exec, a color commentator, and defensive back coach..
I'd go for Amos. He's getting overlooked because he's playing next to Eddie Jackson yet he's still a really good player, he's from baltimore. We can offer him more money than Chicago can and Chicago might want to go pay for an upgrade like Joyner to put that defense over the top.
We have options and it was likely part of the plan. I think we pay a safety big next season. We've shown a willingness to do it for Jefferson and Weddle before. Amos would work well here. Hell, Honey Badger might want a reunioin(I know, I know.. "LSU")
Davesta
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Agreed. Way more versatile.
My list:
1. David Montgomery
2. Josh Jacobs
3. Damien Harris
4. Benny snell
5. Darrell Henderson
JoeyFlex5
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I’m very keen on bringing Amos here. Really underrated safety
JoeyFlex5
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all of this is true and that’s why I’m torn on the 2 but very slightly lean towards safety.
And for me it comes down to value, who’s available and who’s just the best player. In round 1 deionte Thompson is probably better than any OL on the board.
But as lost said, there are great safeties on the market and if we can bring one in and then trade back and stockpile some picks and then load up on OL I’m even happier. Because I think we have a lot we need to add even beyond safety and OL and we’re gonna need picks after giving up our 2
Oldfaithful
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I'd agree that interior oline is a bigger need.... But the interior oline FA class is horrible. The safety class isn't. It's the opposite problem in the draft. Not only that, safeties, even the great ones, tend to be cheaper than interior olinemen. We need to play FA smart, and I'd much rather give a guy like Adrian Amos $8 million a year as a criminally underrated safety who can play either safety position at a high level, opposed to getting into a bidding war with Matt Paradis, the top C on the market who isn't a scheme fit at all for the run game. With a rookie QB, I'd rather draft some more olinemen for them to grow with Lamar. A commonality if you've studied it, is that safeties generally are worth what you pay them.. Hell, even Tony Jefferson who gets a LOT of shit here from certain members isn't bad. In fact, he's still a good player. We just made a dumbass mistake by already restructuring him.
We have money to burn, especially after we get rid of Flacco, Jimmy, and Weddle. Something tells me that we are going to be buyers.
JoeyFlex5
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.. keep jimmy unless you HAVE to cut him for a certain move to be made.