For those who solely blame the defense...

[Christian Schwarz]

To those solely blaming the defense against the Browns- Our offense punted 3 times during the first half giving up sack after sack finally scoring points off of Canadays int due to a short field.

We went into the half only down 10-7 and even tied it up on the drive after halftime with a FG drive. Lamar had plenty of chances to move the ball down field, and despite him completing a lot of passes he was still barely picking up yards.

On the Browns first possesion our defense forced a 3 and out. First offensive possession for Ravens offense we go three and out. Second possession for the browns they score on long TD drive. Second offense possession of Ravens we go 3 and out.

Browns get the ball back and we yet again get a stop on D and force a punt. We then go 3 and out AGAIN. 3 straight opportunities on offense early on and we give up sacks and fail to move the ball down field at all. Most importantly little pass plays no shots down field, no variety.

Then get an interception and score our first points on a TD on a shorter field thanks to Maurice Canaday. Game tied with 2 minutes left in the first half.

Browns get a FG to end the half up 10-7

Lamar at the half 6/7 for a whopping 54yds and 1 score off a turnover. Thats terrible given how many opportunities he had imo, he has got to be better than that. No excuses.

Ravens get the kick off and despite a couple long runs Lamar went 1 for 2 for 18yds and we settled for a game tying fg.

After nearly 3 quarters of decent play now is when our defense started giving up on us. Next series for the Browns a quick 3 play 75yd TD drive. Browns 17-10.

This is where things got out of hand our offense was moving the ball good for the first time consistently all day then Ingram fumbled resulting in another browns score.

The Browns get a TD after the turnover. We did finally answer with a nice 8pt TD drive pulling within one score of the Browns but then gave up the long 88yard run to Chubb BUT THEN go 4 and out on the next offensive drive and 2 ints on later drives where everything collapsed.

Yes the defense was bad...later in the second half, but played pretty well to start the game including setting up a few of our only points off a clutch pick by Canaday.

Our offense had three 3&outs in the first half, and could not move the ball resulting in a 10-7 deficit at half time. We got the 2nd half kickoff only to settle for a FG and the rest was history as at this point after nearly 3 quarters of decent defense in a close game we started giving up huge plays for the rest of the game.


Lamar finished the game 23/33 for 197yds 2Tds 2ints and a fumble, before hitting Willie Snead for a garbage time 50 yard TD where the defense seemed to let him have it at that point.

All around horrible game, but for so many people to think we are ok on offense we are not. You could look at play by play of Arizona and Chiefs games too and see similar struggles by Lamar and this offense. It's got to be better. Pass protection sucked, Ingram fumbled Hollywood had atleast 1 or 2 rookie drops, and yes of course Lamar has time to improve still many years to do so, but Lamar also threw 2 picks fumbled and went 4 and out a few times too, and ultimately despite managing the game well early completing nearly all his passes and scoring a few TDs there still is a clearcut lack of chemistry on offense specifically in the passing game. I'd hate to see hime continue to lead a struggling offense and not have much to show for himself either other than some amazing runs.

Hopefully he and this offense will improve and find rhythm.

We have known since week 2 where a 5foot 9 rookie threw on us for nearly 400yds that our defense is bad, but the offense has not been much better and other than a great rushing attack it looks no where near the over hyped "revolutionary" offense it has been talked up about. Easy to throw for 5 TDs to wide open receivers in a blow out game, and run for 120 yards in a single game against a rebuilding young team, but don't let that and all of our garbage time padded stats in attempted but failed comebacks make you overlook this stuggling young offense. It's a bit overrated currently and a lot of people cut it slack today when it was largely non existent. Similar to last week where Lamar had ZERO TDs before the 4th quarter where he got one rushing with 2 mins left in the game while we were still losing. I understand about not giving up but take those meaningless points and stats away and Lamar would have looked far more mediocre. Even against miami and Arizona too Lamar had a few chunk plays that would have otherwise made for much poorer stats withouth them. 42-10 at the half and they still had Lamar throwing all over the place for atleast one more unnecessary score and alot of unnecessary yards.

Let's see how we fare against the Seahawks Rams Pats and Browns again later this year.

3 straight weeks of mediocre at best inconsistent offense.

 

[Christian Schwarz]

After a good start vs Arizona Lamar went cold for 65 yards passing in the 2nd half before the 41 yard pass to Marquise Brown, a pass that was essentially a hail Mary given the Cardinals being right behind us on the scoreboard pressuring us to take the lead. Best play all year but we almost lost this one and Lamar was something like 10 for 20 for 65yds and no scores in the 2nd half against Arizona before the big 41 yard play. Totalling 272 2TD he played well but the stagnant play in the 2nd half nearly cost us the game.

Against the Chiefs I think he had 9 completions on almost double the attempts at half time for not a lot of yards no TDs and a huge deficit. He finished the game 267 yards and 0 tDs with 1 rushing TD.

But of those 267 yards 118 of them came on the final two scoring drives of the game. Meaning with the game pretty far out of reach Lamar was at 149 yards and zero TDs while KC was dominating our defense. Yet another game where we had opportunities on offense but just looked inept out there.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Defense gives up 500 yards and you blame the offense?

Lamar’s 2 biggest pass plays in the first half were dropped and you say he was terrible and no excuses?

We pull within one score in the fourth and on the very first snap give up an 88 yard rush, and you blame the offense?

The OL allowed free rushers a clean shot at Lamar throughout the whole game and the only reason we were in it in the fourth was his buying time/scrambling along with our run game(which btw wouldn’t exist without him), but he was terrible and no excuses?

One int was a result of a LB wrapping the TEs legs and not allowing him to play the ball(clear PI), and the other was a complete fluke of a batted ball flying way up for the DT to catch it and it’s a ball that harmlessly hits the ground 9/10 times. We were pulling up to tie it but Ingram has a freak fumble just outside the red zone. But Lamar is terrible and no excuses?

Come on... the defense gave up 500 plus at home. They forced a few punts early, whoopdie doo, they also gave up first downs left and right starting late in the first and showed no real ability to stop them other than a canady pick and the occasional punt here and there and from midway in the first on, the browns offense had their way. The offense yet again got away from the run game and when we did get it going and it wasn’t being stopped, we fumble. Andrews drops a big first down early, wtf. Chris Moore refuses to land in bounds, wtf. Hollywood drops a slant right through his hands, wtf. Things happened in that game that don’t usually happen to us, the defense was flat out horrible, tony Jefferson is one of our top paid players and he was missing tackles, blowing every single assignment, it was bombs away on tony Jefferson all day.

Lamar wasn’t just racking up garbage time stats either, he was trying to come back, down 14 at the start of the fourth and driving right down the field for a TD+2 isn’t garbage time in any sense of the word, that’s the beginning of a comeback, and if the defense doesn’t give up a goddamn 88 yard rush on the very first snap, this conversation very well might not happen, Jefferson hitting that crease like he should and making that tackle, followed by 2 more stops on what wouldve been 2nd and 16, and the offense gets the ball with, what, 7 minutes to go and only down 6? The browns couldn’t stop the run at all, they would’ve marched right down and left little to no time on the clock the way the offense was firing at the time. But no, give up an 88 yard rush by having zero vision and gap discipline and suck all the life and confidence out of the team.

And then fans can be contrarian for the hell of it and blame the offense

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Also, vs Arizona, Lamar started running the ball in the 2nd half a lot more, and racked up 120 on the ground, but let’s ignore that... let’s talk about his measly 272 passing yards and not act like he wasn’t 8 shy of 400 yards of offense...

 

[Adreme]

Also, vs Arizona, Lamar started running the ball in the 2nd half a lot more, and racked up 120 on the ground, but let’s ignore that... let’s talk about his measly 272 passing yards and not act like he wasn’t 8 shy of 400 yards of offense...

I don't know who is saying he played bad vs Arizona but the last 2 were unquestionably bad with most of the yards coming in garbage time vs prevent defenses

 

[Grim]

Yes, Lamar is to blame here.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't know who is saying he played bad vs Arizona but the last 2 were unquestionably bad with most of the yards coming in garbage time vs prevent defenses

OP said he played bad vs Arizona in the 2nd post.

And he didn’t play bad lol, he was escaping way too much pressure, and balls were dropped/not caught, and we had a fumble on what looked like a TD drive. His first pick should’ve been a PI and the 2nd was flukey.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying Lamar has been stellar the past 2 weeks, he played better this week than vs KC I think, playcalling forced the big play vs KC and Lamar was missing deep shots left and right, he wasn’t bad vs Cleveland, he was delivering good throws in heavy pressure and making plays with his legs, plays and drives just weren’t being finished.

He still needs work for sure, he’s still rushing throws and making the wrong decision to stay in the pocket when he should be scrambling(Damarious Randall sack), he gets too excited and tries to push the ball down the field and he overshoots his target trying to get the ball there in a hurry with too much velocity at times. He’s just trigger happy right now and it seems he’s still pushing too hard to prove he’s a passer. But let’s be clear, for all his faults, this offense is absolutely worthless without Lamar, he drives this machine, with our defense right now, he’s the only reason we’ve been competitive

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

Anyone blaming Lamar for yesterday's loss can fuck right off

 

[Christian Schwarz]

Yes, Lamar is to blame here.

Not entirely, but you can't question that despite improving his mechanics quite a bit, he has still underperformed as a passer, missed his share of inaccurate throws and incompletions so far this year, quite a few missed TD/big throws. When you break down our Offensive drives and look at the big picture our entire system has struggled to be consistent and reliable. Most importantly we are losing games where tonight the defense AS BAD LEAKY HORRIFIC AS IT IS, the defense gave offense plenty of chances early in a close game to put up points but due to a number of problems it did not succeed and often punted the ball. Not all on Lamar, obviously there were other factors that lead to offensive struggles. But all in all its the passing game that needs work, pass protection as well. You would think Lamar could acknowledge the ever so apparent blitzes and learn to pick them up and either audible out of it, assign extra protection before the snap etc. But most of the time he looks swarmed as the pressure comes and is often doomed when being blitzed even as quick as he is.

Last week we threw the ball 40+ times and tried to go toe to toe with one of the most dangerous offenses in the NFL a poor game plan....And managed 149 yards 0TDs in 3 quarters before 2 long scoring drives in the the 4th quarter down 2 possessions. Including having to settle for a FG after back to back incompletions followed by a sack late in the game. 2 possession game with 4 and a half minutes left...makes you wish we could have made a few more throws on previous drives,on a 3rd and 6 we choose to run the ball too which is just the wrong play call. It was game over at that point given how automatic Mahomes was against our awful secondary all game.

My point is less about Lamar being a poor passer and more about this so called "revolutionary" offense not making plays this season, and so far looking inconsistent and at times completely inept. Rushing game is strong but where is the game plan and Lamar from week 1 who looked comfortable and made more pretty throws than bad ones. Hollywoods play has been inconsistent and ugly against the Browns but Lamar has certainly missed him on a number of different throws, ones Lamar wants back.

Horrible Defense does not help but we won at Arizona with a poor defense when we came out swinging and Lamar finding a rhythm early put us on top to start the game. And despite freezing up in the second half of that game putting up 6pts total in the second half, we finished the game strong via a beautiful 41 yard play to Hollywood.

Offense has to be the focal point this year we invested in it most this offseason and it's all we got while the D continues to struggle . We have the talent but there is no question we have underperformed.

People blame the defense for the loss to the Browns, but we had multiple opportunities on offense to score but we struggled and really beat ourselves. Plenty of missed opportunities in the first half in what was a 10-7 game at half time. Had our offense played better and capitalized on the several punts our defense forced we could have had a big lead going into the 2nd half.

Team effort though hard to blame Lamar when he gets dominated like he has via blitz/bad pass protection,drops etc. But still he has to be better.

 

[Deebo813]

Anyone blaming Lamar for yesterday's loss can [profanity deleted] right off

One person is never to blame for a lost imo.

 

[Christian Schwarz]

Anyone blaming Lamar for yesterday's loss can [profanity deleted] right off

What about last week's game? Can we blame Lamar for that one? lol

Would it make you feel better if I said the entire offense struggled mightily today? 3 punts in the first half, only pts scored came after an int. Defense was historically bad, but did we not turn the ball over? Lamar had 2 picks and fumbled a handoff, they weren't face palming, bone headed picks but it is what it is.

Mark Ingram fumbled on a much needed drive. And at the end of the day any defense will eventually under perform when the offense continues to struggle and punt the ball. Ours just happened to just flat out stop doing their job and melted giving up more big plays than i hsve ever seen from a Ravens defense.

Bottom line Lamar and this offense have to figure out a way to play better on offense. We could have scored more in the first half but could not sustain drives, even while forcing several punts early with what later ended up being a horrible defensive performance. But several missed opportunities on O.

And we settled for a FG to open the 2nd half in yet another drive that stalled. Defense played horrible but we left quite a lot of pts on the field on offense too, and have looked to regress over the last 2 games.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Not entirely, but you can't question that despite improving his mechanics quite a bit, he has still underperformed as a passer, missed his share of inaccurate throws and incompletions so far this year, quite a few missed TD/big throws. When you break down our Offensive drives and look at the big picture our entire system has struggled to be consistent and reliable. Most importantly we are losing games where tonight the defense AS BAD LEAKY HORRIFIC AS IT IS, the defense gave offense plenty of chances early in a close game to put up points but due to a number of problems it did not succeed and often punted the ball. Not all on Lamar, obviously there were other factors that lead to offensive struggles. But all in all its the passing game that needs work, pass protection as well. You would think Lamar could acknowledge the ever so apparent blitzes and learn to pick them up and either audible out of it, assign extra protection before the snap etc. But most of the time he looks swarmed as the pressure comes and is often doomed when being blitzed even as quick as he is.

Last week we threw the ball 40+ times and tried to go toe to toe with one of the most dangerous offenses in the NFL a poor game plan....And managed 149 yards 0TDs in 3 quarters before 2 long scoring drives in the the 4th quarter down 2 possessions. Including having to settle for a FG after back to back incompletions followed by a sack late in the game. 2 possession game with 4 and a half minutes left...makes you wish we could have made a few more throws on previous drives,on a 3rd and 6 we choose to run the ball too which is just the wrong play call. It was game over at that point given how automatic Mahomes was against our awful secondary all game.

My point is less about Lamar being a poor passer and more about this so called "revolutionary" offense not making plays this season, and so far looking inconsistent and at times completely inept. Rushing game is strong but where is the game plan and Lamar from week 1 who looked comfortable and made more pretty throws than bad ones. Hollywoods play has been inconsistent and ugly against the Browns but Lamar has certainly missed him on a number of different throws, ones Lamar wants back.

Horrible Defense does not help but we won at Arizona with a poor defense when we came out swinging and Lamar finding a rhythm early put us on top to start the game. And despite freezing up in the second half of that game putting up 6pts total in the second half, we finished the game strong via a beautiful 41 yard play to Hollywood.

Offense has to be the focal point this year we invested in it most this offseason and it's all we got while the D continues to struggle . We have the talent but there is no question we have underperformed.

People blame the defense for the loss to the Browns, but we had multiple opportunities on offense to score but we struggled and really beat ourselves. Plenty of missed opportunities in the first half in what was a 10-7 game at half time. Had our offense played better and capitalized on the several punts our defense forced we could have had a big lead going into the 2nd half.

Team effort though hard to blame Lamar when he gets dominated like he has via blitz/bad pass protection,drops etc. But still he has to be better.

1. "Underperformed" compared to what? Expectations? Whose expectations are those?
He hasn't underperformed to me, because I had realistic expectations to begin with.
I always laughed out loud when I heard people say things like "revolutionary offense". The first and only reaction to that, rightfully so, is to roll your eyes.
There's no such thing as a "revolutionary" offense. There's literally nothing any team is doing that hasn't been done before. A mobile QB running RPO's with a strong arm and somewhat limited accuracy at his age? Why yes, I've seen that one before too.

As I've found to be pretty universal with fans...you bought into the hype instead of doing your own assessments. You let other people tell you what to think instead of thinking for yourself. Who knew a coaching staff or players might make outrageous claims to prop up a team in July... never heard that one before either. LOL.

2. As I said already... if the Ravens scored 40 points in each of the last two games, we lose both in my opinion. Chiefs and Browns left a lot of points on the board, especially late in games when they had the game in hand.

I defended Harbaugh for his "aggressiveness" last week for one obvious reason... punting simply made no difference. We punted three times last week, and the results were TD, FG, TD for the Chiefs. So it literally didn't matter whether they had the ball at our 40 or their own 20... they were still going to score.

There's a reason why in both games it wasn't until about the 2nd or 3rd quarter before our opponent knew exactly what to do against our defense... its called feeling out. It takes a possession or two before you realize what another team is willing to give you and what they're not.

Once those teams figured that out, it was simply off to the races.

At the end of the day, there's enough blame to go around. I would have liked to have seen that the Chiefs game looked like if Gus Edwards big run wasn't called back for a bogus holding penalty. I would have liked to have seen what yesterday's game looked like if Chris Moore had any shred of awareness of where he was on the field, and made a very easy catch (getting his feet down) for an NFL caliber WR to make. I think those are game changing plays that had nothing to do with the defense.

But at the end of the day, this defense looks like the kind of defense who is going to give up at least 25-30 points/week against a lot of offenses if they don't get fixed. And I don't think there's anybody who can objectively say that they think or even thought this offense should be scoring 30+ every week. It's simply not currently built that way.

 

[gtalk12]

1. "Underperformed" compared to what? Expectations? Whose expectations are those?
He hasn't underperformed to me, because I had realistic expectations to begin with.
I always laughed out loud when I heard people say things like "revolutionary offense". The first and only reaction to that, rightfully so, is to roll your eyes.
There's no such thing as a "revolutionary" offense. There's literally nothing any team is doing that hasn't been done before. A mobile QB running RPO's with a strong arm and somewhat limited accuracy at his age? Why yes, I've seen that one before too.

As I've found to be pretty universal with fans...you bought into the hype instead of doing your own assessments. You let other people tell you what to think instead of thinking for yourself. Who knew a coaching staff or players might make outrageous claims to prop up a team in July... never heard that one before either. LOL.

2. As I said already... if the Ravens scored 40 points in each of the last two games, we lose both in my opinion. Chiefs and Browns left a lot of points on the board, especially late in games when they had the game in hand.

I defended Harbaugh for his "aggressiveness" last week for one obvious reason... punting simply made no difference. We punted three times last week, and the results were TD, FG, TD for the Chiefs. So it literally didn't matter whether they had the ball at our 40 or their own 20... they were still going to score.

There's a reason why in both games it wasn't until about the 2nd or 3rd quarter before our opponent knew exactly what to do against our defense... its called feeling out. It takes a possession or two before you realize what another team is willing to give you and what they're not.

Once those teams figured that out, it was simply off to the races.

At the end of the day, there's enough blame to go around. I would have liked to have seen that the Chiefs game looked like if Gus Edwards big run wasn't called back for a bogus holding penalty. I would have liked to have seen what yesterday's game looked like if Chris Moore had any shred of awareness of where he was on the field, and made a very easy catch (getting his feet down) for an NFL caliber WR to make. I think those are game changing plays that had nothing to do with the defense.

But at the end of the day, this defense looks like the kind of defense who is going to give up at least 25-30 points/week against a lot of offenses if they don't get fixed. And I don't think there's anybody who can objectively say that they think or even thought this offense should be scoring 30+ every week. It's simply not currently built that way.

I don't understand what more fans and critics of this team would want out of a rookie QB and a very young offense. Lamar has 10 passing touchdowns through 4 games and 2 ints. That is amazing from a QB who was labeled inaccurate. The protection needs help and our defense is SORELY lacking.

I would argue with anyone that if our defense was last years version then we probably sit at 3-1 maybe 4-0 with this current offense.

I will say this, I really do not like our game plans the last 2 weeks. Throwing from the beginning against a team struggling against the run and running against a team that is missing their starting corners does not sit well with me. Teams know we are missing Jimmy and co and act like it. They spread us out and throw it.


Not sure why we are going against the grain as much as we have been.

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

What about last week's game? Can we blame Lamar for that one? lol

Would it make you feel better if I said the entire offense struggled mightily today? 3 punts in the first half, only pts scored came after an int. Defense was historically bad, but did we not turn the ball over? Lamar had 2 picks and fumbled a handoff, they weren't face palming, bone headed picks but it is what it is.

Mark Ingram fumbled on a much needed drive. And at the end of the day any defense will eventually under perform when the offense continues to struggle and punt the ball. Ours just happened to just flat out stop doing their job and melted giving up more big plays than i hsve ever seen from a Ravens defense.

Bottom line Lamar and this offense have to figure out a way to play better on offense. We could have scored more in the first half but looked bad on offense, even while forcing several punts early with what ended up being a horrible defensive performance.

And we settled for a FG to open the 2nd half in yet another drive that stalled. Defense played horrible but we left quite a lot of pts on the field on offense too, and have looked to regress over the last 2 games.

Honestly, judging from your flood of posts since the game ended yesterday, it sounds like you just want to blame Lamar for all of our struggles. Could Lamar play better? Absolutely. He missed a ton of throws against KC and he missed a few yesterday as well. That being said, the rest of the offense is doing him no favors. Our WRs aren't getting consistently open, the OL is getting mauled in the interior, Roman's play-calling has been very questionable at times, and we've had multiple bad drops that could have extended drives. Regardless, we're not going to win very many games if the defense continues to play like it has the past 2 weeks. This is not an offense built to score 30+ every week and that's what it's going to take unless our defense gets their shit together.

Also, to anyone complaining about Lamar's 2 picks and fumbled handoff, which we recovered I might add, they did NOTHING to affect the game yesterday because it was already over at that point.

 

[Christian Schwarz]

1. "Underperformed" compared to what? Expectations? Whose expectations are those?
He hasn't underperformed to me, because I had realistic expectations to begin with.
I always laughed out loud when I heard people say things like "revolutionary offense". The first and only reaction to that, rightfully so, is to roll your eyes.
There's no such thing as a "revolutionary" offense. There's literally nothing any team is doing that hasn't been done before. A mobile QB running RPO's with a strong arm and somewhat limited accuracy at his age? Why yes, I've seen that one before too.

As I've found to be pretty universal with fans...you bought into the hype instead of doing your own assessments. You let other people tell you what to think instead of thinking for yourself. Who knew a coaching staff or players might make outrageous claims to prop up a team in July... never heard that one before either. LOL.

2. As I said already... if the Ravens scored 40 points in each of the last two games, we lose both in my opinion. Chiefs and Browns left a lot of points on the board, especially late in games when they had the game in hand.

I defended Harbaugh for his "aggressiveness" last week for one obvious reason... punting simply made no difference. We punted three times last week, and the results were TD, FG, TD for the Chiefs. So it literally didn't matter whether they had the ball at our 40 or their own 20... they were still going to score.

There's a reason why in both games it wasn't until about the 2nd or 3rd quarter before our opponent knew exactly what to do against our defense... its called feeling out. It takes a possession or two before you realize what another team is willing to give you and what they're not.

Once those teams figured that out, it was simply off to the races.

At the end of the day, there's enough blame to go around. I would have liked to have seen that the Chiefs game looked like if Gus Edwards big run wasn't called back for a bogus holding penalty. I would have liked to have seen what yesterday's game looked like if Chris Moore had any shred of awareness of where he was on the field, and made a very easy catch (getting his feet down) for an NFL caliber WR to make. I think those are game changing plays that had nothing to do with the defense.

But at the end of the day, this defense looks like the kind of defense who is going to give up at least 25-30 points/week against a lot of offenses if they don't get fixed. And I don't think there's anybody who can objectively say that they think or even thought this offense should be scoring 30+ every week. It's simply not currently built that way.

Those my friend are in fact Lamar Jackson's expectations! And the expectations of this Ravens organization.

I'm a big fan of Lamar Jackson, enjoy watching his post game pressers every week this year and I have watched his from yesterday several times already. He sure says all the right things with an even keel and honest attitude. Love this kid!

He mentioned how he needs to be better, mentioning to a reporter that he threw an out route to Marquise that that "hit the ground", "a bad ball, if I would have kept that drive going we could of had points".

I hold Lamar to the same standards he holds himself to. He knows once he gets the passing game down its a wrap he will be an MVP caliber player, and a true difference maker every single week.

He is very still very young though which gives him plenty of time to get better.
So is it too much to hold him to those high standards just as he does? You can see it in his body language at times when he has missed a play, poor throw, or like the delay of game in the redzone where he missed a timeout (so did harbs) but you can just see it in him that he wants to be great. I want him to be great too, so far he has been just ok for the most part. And i feel like our whole offense needs to start with him, and flow through him.

But he certainly needs more time to grow, and the whole team just needs to play better period. Want to see him continue to get comfortable as a passer

 

[Militant X 1]

Both sides of the ball have to take the onus on the type of product that they have put on the field these past two games.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Those my friend are in fact Lamar Jackson's expectations! And the expectations of this Ravens organization.

I'm a big fan of Lamar Jackson, enjoy watching his post game pressers every week this year and I have watched his from yesterday several times already. He sure says all the right things with an even keel and honest attitude. Love this kid!

He mentioned how he needs to be better, mentioning to a reporter that he threw an out route to Marquise that that "hit the ground", "a bad ball, if I would have kept that drive going we could of had points".

I hold Lamar to the same standards he holds himself to. He knows once he gets the passing game down its a wrap he will be an MVP caliber player, and a true difference maker every single week.

He is very still very young though which gives him plenty of time to get better.
So is it too much to hold him to those high standards just as he does? You can see it in his body language at times when he has missed a play, poor throw, or like the delay of game in the redzone where he missed a timeout (so did harbs) but you can just see it in him that he wants to be great. I want him to be great too, so far he has been just ok for the most part. And i feel like our whole offense needs to start with him, and flow through him.

But he certainly needs more time to grow, and the whole team just needs to play better period. Want to see him continue to get comfortable as a passer

Yeah I largely don't think any of those are organizational expectations. I think that's what you tell the public when you're an organization like the Ravens. I think it hurts everybody if you go out there and say "yeah our QB is still developing and we don't expect him to be a generational player after his first full season", yet I'm pretty sure everybody in that building would say that.

 

[RavensMania]

Also, vs Arizona, Lamar started running the ball in the 2nd half a lot more, and racked up 120 on the ground, but let’s ignore that... let’s talk about his measly 272 passing yards and not act like he wasn’t 8 shy of 400 yards of offense...

and this is coming from someone who supports Kaep as a good QB.

 

[rossihunter2]

I mean Jackson is still on pace for nearly 4500 yards passing and nearly 1000 yards rushing and passing at around 65% with a qbr of 110

Obviously the stats don’t tell the whole story but I don’t know how anyone could complain about that - pretty sure no one was expecting this sort of play level before the season

There were some who were wondering whether he’d go over 300 yds in a game this year at all, or whether he’d go much above 3000 on the season

Like he’s obviously got things to work on but he’s a 2nd year qb who’s only 22 and is already carrying an offence that scares defences because of him - not sure what more people were expecting or even hoping for...

 

[Charm City]

This offense is not built to operate with a poor defense. We can't run the ball and do anything exotic because that takes up too much time when you're playing behind. Lamar is not Joe Montana, he's not Tom Brady, he's not Mahomes, so don't judge him based on his ability to fling it 60 yards to a receiver when we need a big play cuz we're behind. Those quarterbacks have players that are built to run posts and 9's all day.

We have Andrews and Hurst over the middle and a rookie as our 1,2,3 options. To guard against that, teams are just stacking the box cuz we're either going to run the ball or throw to our TE's.

So no, I am not going to blame Lamar and the offense because they have not been allowed to play to their strengths.