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The General Offensive Line Thread

I'm sorry. The secondary is important but when you give me the chance to select between the secondary and the offensive line I'm taking the line every time as a priority.

Sure, you take the elite player every time. But Marlon isn't one at all.
He has as much chance to turn into a player of #22's quality, given how similar they are and having little more athletic ability than Jimmy had at that stage.

And I'm always taking clear-cut 1st rounder from strong CB class over 2nd round interior O lineman.
 
You act like having a weak RT is some catastrophe. The Ravens have 2 excellent Oline players and Lewis who i would classify as good as he was getting better pre injury. Lastly Jensen who the team clearly sees as an upgrade over Zuttah. So 3 positions getting better and the least important getting worse is hardly a catastrophe

Come on man! Did you see the Rams game two seasons ago? Having a weak RT could very well be a catastrophe.They say that lightning never strikes the same place twice, but Hurst has been so horrible I have no doubt it is totally possible that he can blow out Joe's knee twice.

I also don't believe "the team clearly sees (Jensen) as an upgrade over Zuttah." They may hope that, but until the pads go on and Brandon Williams dials it up, they can't possibly know that. Jensen can also be undisciplined at times, and that is not a good trait for a Center.

Right now, I don't have much confidence in Hurst at RT or Urschel and Jenson at Center. I pray Ozzie is doing everything he can to work out something to improve our o-line before the start of preseason.
 
Come on man! Did you see the Rams game two seasons ago? Having a weak RT could very well be a catastrophe.They say that lightning never strikes the same place twice, but Hurst has been so horrible I have no doubt it is totally possible that he can blow out Joe's knee twice.

I also don't believe "the team clearly sees (Jensen) as an upgrade over Zuttah." They may hope that, but until the pads go on and Brandon Williams dials it up, they can't possibly know that. Jensen can also be undisciplined at times, and that is not a good trait for a Center.

Right now, I don't have much confidence in Hurst at RT or Urschel and Jenson at Center. I pray Ozzie is doing everything he can to work out something to improve our o-line before the start of preseason.

If the team did not believe that Zuttah would still be a Raven. His price was so low that money was not the reason for that trade.
 
If the team did not believe that Zuttah would still be a Raven. His price was so low that money was not the reason for that trade.
IMHO, I think there was some other reasons beside his play at Center that led to that trade. Trust me, I was not a fan of Zuttah at all. I am kind of glad he is gone, but that does not mean I am confident that Jensen is any better.
 
Come on man! Did you see the Rams game two seasons ago? Having a weak RT could very well be a catastrophe.They say that lightning never strikes the same place twice, but Hurst has been so horrible I have no doubt it is totally possible that he can blow out Joe's knee twice.

I also don't believe "the team clearly sees (Jensen) as an upgrade over Zuttah." They may hope that, but until the pads go on and Brandon Williams dials it up, they can't possibly know that. Jensen can also be undisciplined at times, and that is not a good trait for a Center.

Right now, I don't have much confidence in Hurst at RT or Urschel and Jenson at Center. I pray Ozzie is doing everything he can to work out something to improve our o-line before the start of preseason.
1. I really don't think Ozzie is the type to trade a player without a plan. Why do you think it was made without a plan in place?

2. Jensen is undisciplined? How so?
 
1. I really don't think Ozzie is the type to trade a player without a plan. Why do you think it was made without a plan in place?

Ever since Zuttah was moved I have had this thought that Mangold and Oz have a secret deal that won't be announced until camp. Probably not true, but still a thought in my head. lol
 
1. I really don't think Ozzie is the type to trade a player without a plan. Why do you think it was made without a plan in place?

2. Jensen is undisciplined? How so?
I think Ozzie traded Zuttah because he played below average in several games and he wanted to save a few million in cap space during free agency.

When I say Jensen is undisciplined, I mean because of the penalties. He has had his fair share of false starts and his temper has cost us yardage at times with unsportsmanlike conduct. IMHO, his head does not seem to be in the game at times.
 
I think Ozzie traded Zuttah because he played below average in several games and he wanted to save a few million in cap space during free agency.

When I say Jensen is undisciplined, I mean because of the penalties. He has had his fair share of false starts and his temper has cost us yardage at times with unsportsmanlike conduct. IMHO, his head does not seem to be in the game at times.
I remember a false start, a bullshit holding call on a pancake, and a bullshit unnecessary roughness on a crackback. I don't remember anything about a temper.
 
Ever since Zuttah was moved I have had this thought that Mangold and Oz have a secret deal that won't be announced until camp. Probably not true, but still a thought in my head. lol
That may be possible. I still think he could be a Raven.
 
I remember a false start, a bullshit holding call on a pancake, and a bullshit unnecessary roughness on a crackback. I don't remember anything about a temper.
Just so you don't think I am making things up about his temper. http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/12/28/the-good-bad-ugly Under the ugly, they said "Ryan Jensen shows some promise but he needs some restraint. His flaming temper matches his hair." I just remember in the old game day thread at BR.com several members including myself complaining about his penalties during games.

Don't get me wrong, I totally believe Zuttah was in decline, and it is possible that Jensen could play better at the Center position as he gets experience playing there. I just believe that it is way to early yet to be enthusiastic.
 
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Ever since Zuttah was moved I have had this thought that Mangold and Oz have a secret deal that won't be announced until camp. Probably not true, but still a thought in my head. lol
Yeah, I was thinking the same in another thread the other day - Ozzie gave him time to get right health wise, so he can pass a physical when training camp starts.

Who knows... but Stanley-Jensen/Siragusa-Mangold-Yanda-Lewis sounds like something I wouldn't cringe at.
 
When Jensen is on his A game he's a monster, but then he has games when linemen blow past him almost untouched and that one game against Indy when he got blown up and thrown into Dixon. He flashes ability but so far theres no consistency.
 
Just so you don't think I am making things up about his temper. http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/12/28/the-good-bad-ugly Under the ugly, they said "Ryan Jensen shows some promise but he needs some restraint. His flaming temper matches his hair." I just remember in the old game day thread at BR.com several members including myself complaining about his penalties during games.
I remember the talk but nothing substantive to support it. He was a little scrappy after the play sometimes but it wasn't a liability.

The RSR article gave me the ole 404. Wrong link?

When Jensen is on his A game he's a monster, but then he has games when linemen blow past him almost untouched and that one game against Indy when he got blown up and thrown into Dixon. He flashes ability but so far theres no consistency.

It's all footwork with him imo. He was pretty bad in zone, not gonna lie. Good athlete and powerful but doesn't know how to block on the lateral move. Not many do it well. I tell ya, I would love to see him down blocking on a nose or pulling around on power. If you tell him to go downhill, he moves people.
 
I remember the talk but nothing substantive to support it. He was a little scrappy after the play sometimes but it wasn't a liability.

The RSR article gave me the ole 404. Wrong link?



It's all footwork with him imo. He was pretty bad in zone, not gonna lie. Good athlete and powerful but doesn't know how to block on the lateral move. Not many do it well. I tell ya, I would love to see him down blocking on a nose or pulling around on power. If you tell him to go downhill, he moves people.
He may turn out to be pretty good. I did not like how Zuttah was getting pushed back last season, so Jensen may be an upgrade for our o-line right now. To be honest with you, Hurst at RT, scares me more than Jensen at Center. I just don't see Hurst as starter.

I think I cut some off when I copied the link....sorry
http://russellstreetreport.com/2015...-and-the-megan-fox/finally-a-reason-to-smile/
 
He may turn out to be pretty good. I did not like how Zuttah was getting pushed back last season, so Jensen may be an upgrade for our o-line right now. To be honest with you, Hurst at RT, scares me more than Jensen at Center. I just don't see Hurst as starter.

I think I cut some off when I copied the link....sorry
http://russellstreetreport.com/2015...-and-the-megan-fox/finally-a-reason-to-smile/
Hurst just isn't strong/physical enough.

And dammit it's Tony Lombardi. I respect the dude personally and he runs a hell of a site but his analysis is always piss poor. I mean, he calls Jensen a hothead without even explaining what specifically happened. He's the worst guy on his own site, lol. That was a tough physical game against the Steelers, especially upfront. I tend to give our guys the benefit of the doubt during division game fights. That shit happens, especially against the Steelers. I'd cut Jensen slack, but that's me.
 
I hope Jensen proves me wrong. I'm rooting for him.

I have 0 faith in Hurst. We need to get rid of him as soon as possible. That dude shouldn't be a backup here, let alone a starter.

What kind of deal with the devil did he make to continue having a job here?
 
@RavensMania @allblackraven
Just want to state no hard feeling towards either of you lol. At least this is a productive debate that's related to football. We're in a disagreement but at least have a common desire for an outcome.

Mania, if your'e correct, you do realize that this is a super bowl team NOW right? Seems a little too good to be true(especially with Hurst there). I want Jensen to do well, I really do, but he's been so off and on and the tape(especially his footwork) just isn't stellar. We're also better off with Lewis at tackle imho. His height puts him at a significant diadvantage when going against the interior lineman. While he should improve, I don't think his ceiling at LG is that high. Goose is better suited in all honesty.....

Honestly, a line of. Stanley-Siragusa-Jensen-Yanda-Lewis at least has POTENTIAL to be good this season. I'd rather acquire a sure thing at center but that's just my opinion. RT only becomes a disaster if Hurst is playing there imo
 
I will say this, as high as I am on several prospects(Perriman, Maxx, Boyle, Dixon, etc), I don't like how our offense has a whole lot of unproven in general.

We NEED Perriman to develop into a #1 caliber WR(and I actually think he does)
We NEED Maxx or Boyle to develop into good starting TEs(Watson is old, Waller appears to have stone hands, and Gillmore has a body made of glass)
We NEED Ryan Jensen to be a good center
We NEED Dixon or West to show themselves as a franchise caliber RB
We NEED to stay healthy
We NEED for Joe to improve his mechanics.

Obviously the biggest concern is the oline. But still. We are relying on way too many "what ifs". I understand that risks are necessary but I'd like at least another sure thing.

Way I see it. The passing game improves a lot if Joe returns to form and cleans up his mechanics. Adding Maclin will help the offense in several ways. Firstly given that we have three burners as WRs besides him(and he can go deep too), the middle suddenly becomes a lot more wide open. Maclin is a good route runner and can get open over the middle, where he also uses his good YAC ability. This will also help Boyle/Maxx over the middle as well. Secondly, given that Wallace is really dangerous as a player, double covering Maclin just isn't going to happen as often as some would thing, because Wallace knows how to go deep better than most. Thirdly, this greatly benefits Perriman. Defenses giving so much attention to Wallace and Maclin will give him the opportunity to go one on one with likely the opposition's third best corner. Given that even in OTAs(yes, I know to take it with a grain of salt, but him getting reps with Joe has been HUGE) his game looks much improved, he's in primed position for a breakout year.

Truth be told, if Joe cleans up his mechanics, the passing game will be fine. I'm confident in several of the younger weapons we have(Maxx, Perriman, Boyle), and adding Danny Woodhead is going to be sneaky good.

The running game is where I'm concerned. Dixon, West, and even Woodhead are good runners. But they succeeded last year in spite of the line. Stanley and Yanda are both above average run blockers, and I expect great things from Siragusa once he inevitably takes over at LG, but Lewis and Jensen are massive question marks. If ONE of them turns out to be good at run blocking(both are good in pass pro) then this offense could actually be a top 15 offense that flies under the radar.

But the oline also needs to improve for the red zone's sake as well. I'd imagine that our defense is going to create a lot of turnovers and put is in positions to score. We need to capitalize.

We could be REALLY good this season. But also Mediocre as all hell. It's all in the hands of Ryan Jensen, Alex Lewis... And James Hurst...(I'm gonna fucking vomit).

If all pans out well this season then we go into next season with no big name free agents and.... A well rounded team.

Ozzie you better pray this works because if this does, this team will be too good NOT to win a SB sometime within the next few years.
 
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