BloodRaven
MVP
We have a MVP who has just turned 23 and its early days in free agency. Can you just hold off from being a Debbie Downey for like a few weeks?
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We have a MVP who has just turned 23 and its early days in free agency. Can you just hold off from being a Debbie Downey for like a few weeks?
Sami84
Ravens Ring of Honor
Sure. But if he picks murray and/or Gross, You'll never ever hear the end...
omg, atleast wait until after the draft to make these types of comments. Don't we have more important things to worry about in life than IF EDC drafts Murray...
gtalk12
Ravens Ring of Honor
Sami84
Ravens Ring of Honor
teams still win super bowls after the QB comes off of their rookie deal.
gtalk12
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How many teams have won a SuperBowl with a QB on a rookie contract?
Sami84
Ravens Ring of Honor
for a precious 7th round pick? no chance. Like eric said, it's a lottery ticket and we could get a gem like Marc Anthony ( kudos to those who remember)
rather have Campbell than Casey and no way we could have both at this point anyway.
D1City55
Pro Bowler
Haven't been here in a while but here are my thoughts.
-We've badly needed a guy like Campbell for a long time. I do not recall the last time we've had someone with his skill set. Ngata was more of a 1 tech who took up a lot of space. We haven't had a double-digit sack presence in the inside for as long as I can remember. I've been calling for a 3-tech and we got a guy like that in Campbell. He can also split into the 5-tech. Campbell in all honesty can play where ever you want him to.
Im hyped about Brockers as well. He has a combination of versatility and skill set that we have not had in a while since Ngata. This is a great signing.
I love the Hayden Hurst trade. To grab an extra 2nd in this draft class is huge. This is a deep class of WRs and we could put ourselves in position to grab a guy by moving up or staying put. Middle of the 2nd round is a good place to find a WR in this class.
-We've badly needed a guy like Campbell for a long time. I do not recall the last time we've had someone with his skill set. Ngata was more of a 1 tech who took up a lot of space. We haven't had a double-digit sack presence in the inside for as long as I can remember. I've been calling for a 3-tech and we got a guy like that in Campbell. He can also split into the 5-tech. Campbell in all honesty can play where ever you want him to.
Im hyped about Brockers as well. He has a combination of versatility and skill set that we have not had in a while since Ngata. This is a great signing.
I love the Hayden Hurst trade. To grab an extra 2nd in this draft class is huge. This is a deep class of WRs and we could put ourselves in position to grab a guy by moving up or staying put. Middle of the 2nd round is a good place to find a WR in this class.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I’d rather have Casey than Campbell no question, that’s a long term building block for the same price or less and at a bigger position of need being a true 3tech.
I’d rather have Campbell and Casey, which we could’ve gotten for basically nothing and by only spending another 1m per year above what we’re paying brockers.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Ngata was at his best as a 3tech and only became a NT to keep up with the scheme change. His rookie year was maybe his best year as a pass rusher and that’s not a coincidence, he was Rex Ryan’s pass rushing 3tech in the 4-3 front.
well I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you. Is Casey younger, yes, but he's not the better overall player. Campbell gives us a more versatile player with not only excellent run defense, but interior pressure to boot.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
If this was 2017 I would take Campbell no question, but at this point it is true that we may get a lesser version of him, and for more money, even if that is a great player, I’d rather have a long term great player in Casey.
and beyond that, I’d rather have Casey over brockers and that shouldn’t even be a debate lol
BloodRaven
MVP
Hypothetically did we have the capspace for Casey?
Campbell is massive and dominates with length, he has a rare skillset and he can lineup anywhere. Now Casey next to him would have worked but then we would have to play Brockers at DE.
Campbell is massive and dominates with length, he has a rare skillset and he can lineup anywhere. Now Casey next to him would have worked but then we would have to play Brockers at DE.
Campbell is also the better player now and the Ravens were obviously after a shorter term move. Clearly
The $11M number for Casey doesn't tell the whole story. Only $1M more than Brockers on an yearly basis, but you aren't getting the same structure we got for Brockers. $5M cap hit vs. $11M for Casey. Huge difference. I'm sure you could approach Casey about a restructure type of deal to guarantee him some money, but he's also got like $37M left on his deal.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Half of the last 8, I believe.
Flacco in 2012, Wilson in 2013, Wentz/Foles in 2017 (I think this counts) and Mahomes this past season.
That also doesn't include teams that made the SB with rookie deals but lost. Kaepernick in 2012, Wilson in 2014, and Goff in 2018.
I'm sure many people have seen the stats already, but here's what it looks like:
Starting with the 1994 season (first year of the NFL salary cap):
No team has ever won a SB having a QB taking up more than 13.1% of the teams salary cap. That high point is from 1994 with Steve Young.
Brady's cap hit in 2018 was actually one of the all-time highs, at 12.2%.
So while history is by no means a predictor of the future, if you were to extrapolate that over the current salary cap, It would mean that you effectively can't have a QB with a cap hit over $26M and expect to win a SB, based on historical data.