Signings, Cuts, Trades

[Simba]

None. But I don't think 1K yards in a 17 game season is a good measurement of anything.
Najee Harris had 1,200 and 1,000 yards in back to back seasons, and every person on the planet now realizes he's complete ass as a runner.

Just saying 4.5 yards/carry on 10-15 carries gets you about 60-70 yards/game, at most. If Henry came in and gave you 60 yards a week, would you be happy with it? Maybe TDs boost him, but TDs aren't predictable or trendy for individual players. It's dependent on game flow and situations more than the talent of the player.

What I'd rather see from a RB we acquire is a better pass catcher to involve the RB in the passing game (which we aren't doing) and somebody who's better as stretch or edge runner. And I don't want to pay that much for it.

Would also point out that Henry hasn't been a 4.5 guy since 2020. Maybe that's because the Titans passing game sucks, but maybe its also because he's less explosive.

This is my big thing and the thing I think that would open up the offense the most. I certainly think Henry accomplishes that to some extent, but having someone defenses have to watch in both phases would accomplish that even more.

Again as a general statement for everyone - nothing against Henry the player. If we did happen to acquire him, I have no major qualms. Just think there is the potential to add more to this offense with a different style of player.

 

[RavensMania]

None. But I don't think 1K yards in a 17 game season is a good measurement of anything.
Najee Harris had 1,200 and 1,000 yards in back to back seasons, and every person on the planet now realizes he's complete ass as a runner.

Just saying 4.5 yards/carry on 10-15 carries gets you about 60-70 yards/game, at most. If Henry came in and gave you 60 yards a week, would you be happy with it? Maybe TDs boost him, but TDs aren't predictable or trendy for individual players. It's dependent on game flow and situations more than the talent of the player.

What I'd rather see from a RB we acquire is a better pass catcher to involve the RB in the passing game (which we aren't doing) and somebody who's better as stretch or edge runner. And I don't want to pay that much for it.

Would also point out that Henry hasn't been a 4.5 guy since 2020. Maybe that's because the Titans passing game sucks, but maybe its also because he's less explosive.

Harris had 272 att 1038 yds 3.8 ypa in 2022. 2021 He had 319 Att 1229 3.9 ypa. No he's not a good back and I agree 1000 yards isn't a measure in 16 or 17 games. It's much more about yards per attempt with a decent amount of carries.

 

[RavensMania]

This is my big thing and the thing I think that would open up the offense the most. I certainly think Henry accomplishes that to some extent, but having someone defenses have to watch in both phases would accomplish that even more.

Again as a general statement for everyone - nothing against Henry the player. If we did happen to acquire him, I have no major qualms. Just think there is the potential to add more to this offense with a different style of player.

what is your thought about Saquan Barkley if the cost was reasonable. His salary would be even less for us than Henry's would.....At least this season it would be.

 

[rmcjacket23]

what is your thought about Saquan Barkley if the cost was reasonable. His salary would be even less for us than Henry's would.....At least this season it would be.

Barkley is 1000% the type of RB that would boost this offense. I'm just not buying the Giants will trade him, and I think the price will be too high. As I said before, I'm not willing to give up a first or second rounder for any RB in this league. Not even CMC at this point. These guys are all rentals.

I don't think the Giants are shipping Barkley for a 3rd or later.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Harris had 272 att 1038 yds 3.8 ypa in 2022. 2021 He had 319 Att 1229 3.9 ypa. No he's not a good back and I agree 1000 yards isn't a measure in 16 or 17 games. It's much more about yards per attempt with a decent amount of carries.

He's a high volume plodder. Has been his entire career. He will get exactly what's blocked for him, and has no explosion. If you put him on an offense that gave him like 150 touches a year as a complementary back, he'd be a complete afterthought.

And funny thing is... that's pretty much exactly what LeVeon Bell was later in his career. A player who put up a bunch of big stats because he got 350-400 touches a season. If you give literally any RB in the league 350 touches a year, they'll get you 1,200 yards. Looks great, but it isn't.

The best thing the Steelers could do is phase him out for Jaylen Warren, who's a better RB. I'm happy they're not, since we still play them and want them to lose.

 

[gtalk12]

Barkley is 1000% the type of RB that would boost this offense. I'm just not buying the Giants will trade him, and I think the price will be too high. As I said before, I'm not willing to give up a first or second rounder for any RB in this league. Not even CMC at this point. These guys are all rentals.

I don't think the Giants are shipping Barkley for a 3rd or later.

If there is a deal in place to keep Barkely for more than a year then I think a second for him wouldn't be so bad.

 

[Simba]

what is your thought about Saquan Barkley if the cost was reasonable. His salary would be even less for us than Henry's would.....At least this season it would be.

Would be the exact type of guy I would be targeting, but doubt he's going anywhere. He's just one that probably isn't worth the price you'd have to pay IF they were actually willing to move him.

 

[rossihunter2]

Barkley is 1000% the type of RB that would boost this offense. I'm just not buying the Giants will trade him, and I think the price will be too high. As I said before, I'm not willing to give up a first or second rounder for any RB in this league. Not even CMC at this point. These guys are all rentals.

I don't think the Giants are shipping Barkley for a 3rd or later.

the tough thing with barkley is that you have to give up capital as if you're going to pay him
but can you pay a RB top-end money on this team moving forwards with the other franchise guys we're already paying and the guys we still have to pay...

i dont think so

barkley definitely moves the needle - but got to think he's gonna be a lot more expensive to bring in than all the other RBs being touted...

 

[rmcjacket23]

If there is a deal in place to keep Barkely for more than a year then I think a second for him wouldn't be so bad.

But that's kind of my point, which is why I'm largely resigned to the idea of acquiring a RB being problematic. I don't want to pay any of these guys.
Barkley would still be a $10M a year player. I have ZERO interest in paying a RB $10M. Not Barkley, not CMC, not anybody. I can get at least 80% of what they would provide for like 5-10% of the cost.

I want a RB upgrade. I just want a half season rental or somebody who will play for like $5-6M or less next year. If I traded for Barkley, I'd want to give up a mid-rounder, and then absolutely NOT re-sign him. I'll just try to recoup the comp pick in '25.

 

[rmcjacket23]

the tough thing with barkley is that you have to give up capital as if you're going to pay him
but can you pay a RB top-end money on this team moving forwards with the other franchise guys we're already paying and the guys we still have to pay...

i dont think so

barkley definitely moves the needle - but got to think he's gonna be a lot more expensive to bring in than all the other RBs being touted...

Exactly. That's why the guys I'm looking at would be guys like Aaron Jones, James Conner (if he were healthy). Somebody else mentioned Antonio Gibson. That's not a bad idea either. They're cheaper in terms of $, they're certainly cheaper in terms of draft comp, and I have zero issue not committing to them beyond '23.

They're not better RBs than Henry, Barkley or Jacobs. But I'm not sure that matters when you factor in $ and comp differences.

 

[RavensMania]

Exactly. That's why the guys I'm looking at would be guys like Aaron Jones, James Conner (if he were healthy). Somebody else mentioned Antonio Gibson. That's not a bad idea either. They're cheaper in terms of $, they're certainly cheaper in terms of draft comp, and I have zero issue not committing to them beyond '23.

They're not better RBs than Henry, Barkley or Jacobs. But I'm not sure that matters when you factor in $ and comp differences.

agree completely. Wonder how much Ekeler would cost on a rental. Probably a 2nd round pick and no way I'd be willing to give that up....plus he wants to get paid.

 

[rmcjacket23]

agree completely. Wonder how much Ekeler would cost on a rental. Probably a 2nd round pick and no way I'd be willing to give that up....plus he wants to get paid.

He's struggling this year. Think he'll be cheaper. As a runner he's completely average though.

I'd be interested, but I don't think the Chargers are selling yet. Think they'll be 3-4 at the deadline and think they still have a shot at a wildcard spot.

I think it'll be interesting to see who sells. Like Titans have the stigma of being "sellers" because they traded one player. But like if they beat Atlanta at home, they're 3-4 also. That 7 seed in the AFC could easily go to a 9 win team.

 

[RavensMania]

He's struggling this year. Think he'll be cheaper. As a runner he's completely average though.

I'd be interested, but I don't think the Chargers are selling yet. Think they'll be 3-4 at the deadline and think they still have a shot at a wildcard spot.

I think it'll be interesting to see who sells. Like Titans have the stigma of being "sellers" because they traded one player. But like if they beat Atlanta at home, they're 3-4 also. That 7 seed in the AFC could easily go to a 9 win team.

I agree, he's more valuable as a receiver out of the backfield than a runner.

 

[gtalk12]

Kamara

 

[RaineV1]

Kamara

The Saints are in the running for winning their division, so they aren't going to trade him. Also, given his legal issues, no thanks.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Kamara

Is he available?

The Saints are in the running for winning their division, so they aren't going to trade him. Also, given his legal issues, no thanks.

The Saints are in a weird position with all their cap issues. Derek Carr clearly isn’t the answer either. I’m curious , even though the NFC South sucks , if they start the rebuild.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Is he available?

The Saints are in a weird position with all their cap issues. Derek Carr clearly isn’t the answer either. I’m curious , even though the NFC South sucks , if they start the rebuild.

a) they're married to Carr through '24. Even if they draft somebody, he's on the roster.
b) they actually do pretty great cap management. It looks bad this team every year, but they have tons of ways to create cap space and keep their own players. They even put automatic restructures in most of their deals now.
c) in that division, no reason to think they can't win it and even compete long term, even with a minor "rebuild". Which would basically just be finding a QB upgrade.

Tampa and Atlanta need massive upgrades at QB, and I, like many people at the moment, have serious concerns about whether Bryce Young is a good long term starter in this league. That division is a disaster and NO isn't even as needy as the other teams are.

 

[RavensMania]

a) they're married to Carr through '24. Even if they draft somebody, he's on the roster.
b) they actually do pretty great cap management. It looks bad this team every year, but they have tons of ways to create cap space and keep their own players. They even put automatic restructures in most of their deals now.
c) in that division, no reason to think they can't win it and even compete long term, even with a minor "rebuild". Which would basically just be finding a QB upgrade.

Tampa and Atlanta need massive upgrades at QB, and I, like many people at the moment, have serious concerns about whether Bryce Young is a good long term starter in this league. That division is a disaster and NO isn't even as needy as the other teams are.

really hard to say with Bryce Young at this point. Agree with your other points though.

 

[JAAM]

Is Pauline credible?

 

[JO_75]

Is Pauline credible?

Not too sure, I've seen him in the past get some stuff right about the Draft but that's it. Beware of that "CJ Golson" on Twitter spreading info about Buffalo being a contender for Henry lol.