Signings, Cuts, Trades

[rmcjacket23]

not sure how you come to that conclusion

Mostly through advocacy of unreasonable demands and "benefits" for labor that is, generally speaking, replaceable and not very skilled. With some of those demands directly leading to the demise of companies and industries, which ironically, led to the rapid job loss and income less of many of its constituents.

Other than that, they do great things.

 

[rmcjacket23]

It's a maximum $23M drop in 2021 (but could be less if revenues come in higher than expected) and the rest is spread through 2024.

Might be a blessing that we haven't gotten some of the big extensions done to look at the positive side. On one hand, we don't have them locked up and aren't in dire cap constraints over that period currently. But you'd also expect FA values to take a slight dip for a bit so we could conceivably lock a few guys up for a slight discount compared to what we would have had to have paid 3 months ago.

Agreed. The top tier free agents will fine likely, because teams will just give higher signing bonuses and backload the contract. Basically just like the Chiefs did with Mahomes.

It'll clamp down on the middle and bottom tiers. The guys in the second wave who are only going to get 1-2 year deals will face significant decline in markets and, thus, compensation.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I mean, in fairness, a lot of those guys are well above Peters in class.

Like Peters isn't as good as Ramsey, Mack or Adams. Those guys are consensus like top 1-3 players at their respective positions by any metric. Peters is not. Good player, but not an elite-class level like those guys are. And that's why somebody like Ramsey will get paid substantially more than Peters will.

Tunsil may not necessarily be a top 3 LT by consensus, but that position is also significantly harder to find and higher valued than DB's are, so the premium is justified.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Likely just getting down to 80 with the new rules imposed. We were already at 89 so nothing was stopping us from signing anyone.

Believe he was also barely at or below the rule of 51 calc, so he didn't count against the current cap anyway I believe.

 

[Simba]

Agreed. The top tier free agents will fine likely, because teams will just give higher signing bonuses and backload the contract. Basically just like the Chiefs did with Mahomes.

It'll clamp down on the middle and bottom tiers. The guys in the second wave who are only going to get 1-2 year deals will face significant decline in markets and, thus, compensation.

And that's where the Ravens do best. We still have the capacity to take care of our own, and now with the added benefit of knowing what the cap might look like over the next several years. If we can do that, we can then shift our attention to the Derek Wolfe types to go with someone recent - not a star by any means but a solid enough player to add to the team who will likely make a difference.

 

[allblackraven]

And that's where the Ravens do best. We still have the capacity to take care of our own, and now with the added benefit of knowing what the cap might look like over the next several years. If we can do that, we can then shift our attention to the Derek Wolfe types to go with someone recent - not a star by any means but a solid enough player to add to the team who will likely make a difference.

And not to mention, keep our 1st round draft picks.

 

[rmcjacket23]

And not to mention, keep our 1st round draft picks.

Impressive haul for the Jets for sure. And also not surprised to see the Seahawks give up that level of comp. They've long since not cared much about the NFL draft (at least in the early rounds).

 

[RavensMania]

I mean, in fairness, a lot of those guys are well above Peters in class.

Like Peters isn't as good as Ramsey, Mack or Adams. Those guys are consensus like top 1-3 players at their respective positions by any metric. Peters is not. Good player, but not an elite-class level like those guys are. And that's why somebody like Ramsey will get paid substantially more than Peters will.

Tunsil may not necessarily be a top 3 LT by consensus, but that position is also significantly harder to find and higher valued than DB's are, so the premium is justified.

we also gave up a 5th for Campbell

 

[rmcjacket23]

we also gave up a 5th for Campbell

Yes, but same concept. He's a 33 year old who's not nearly the game wrecker he once was.

 

[Adreme]

That's a possibility. Though I think you'd fine many teams simply wouldn't gain nearly enough cap space by doing so, and naturally, will be forced to cut players.

I'm not suggesting that the Owners or the NFLPA should agree to like a $70M reduction in one year. But I laughably saw where the NFLPA wanted to spread their cap losses over 10 years out to like 2030, which to me, was quite comical.

It looks like if they allow a 23m fall next year the cap would still go up the following year relative to where it is now due to all the extra income that was expected (assuming things are back to normal by then). Paying it back is not too difficult when the NFL knows the cap explosion that was slated to happen, and likely still will happen. If anything this deal helps them out by evening out the growth and avoiding 10-15% jumps early this decade (yearly for the next 3-4 years) and then dropping to 6% after.

 

[Adreme]

Yes, but same concept. He's a 33 year old who's not nearly the game wrecker he once was.

Wasnt there a list out recently that had him as the 81st best player in the NFL? I cannot remember which group did it, but if you told me I could get someone in that ballpark for a 5th I would be thrilled.

 

[rmcjacket23]

It looks like if they allow a 23m fall next year the cap would still go up the following year relative to where it is now due to all the extra income that was expected (assuming things are back to normal by then). Paying it back is not too difficult when the NFL knows the cap explosion that was slated to happen, and likely still will happen. If anything this deal helps them out by evening out the growth and avoiding 10-15% jumps early this decade (yearly for the next 3-4 years) and then dropping to 6% after.

It really all depends on the TV contract negotiations. They're expiring in 2022, so if the NFL can renew before then, it's likely 2021 would go up.

But if the NFL experiences like a $40-50M shortfall this year, which is expected, a $23M drop won't cover all of that, which means they'll need to spread out the rest. So yes, 2022 would likely be at least at or slightly above the current number. It could be substantially higher if they get TV contract renewals by that point.

It'll be an interesting negotiation for sure. One would expect that NFL TV ratings will rise significantly this year, as all those fans who won't be attending games live will switch to watching on TV. Then it just becomes a question of how the TV networks factor that into revised negotiations. 2020 could be an explosive TV number, but is that sustainable? Likely not.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Wasnt there a list out recently that had him as the 81st best player in the NFL? I cannot remember which group did it, but if you told me I could get someone in that ballpark for a 5th I would be thrilled.

Sure. A 5th plus whatever contract we have to give him.

I'm more or less talking in the context of that tweet, which implies the Ravens get comparable players at much better discounts. That's not really true, because the players they're getting for 5th round picks aren't as good as the players others are giving up 1st round picks for. No question the Ravens get value in the deals, but that's not really an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Simba]

I am curious to see how teams structure practice squads in light of covid. I'm wondering if teams might keep a specialist or two just to have them available in case something were to happen. I can only imagine what would happen if you wake up Sunday morning to a positive test result from your K, P, or LS. I wonder how many teams will play it safe there and keep a guy at one or more of those positions just so they can get reps and stay ready. You can always sign a guy off the street if something were to happen earlier in the week but a Saturday or Sunday positive test could have huge implications.

 

[rossihunter2]

I am curious to see how teams structure practice squads in light of covid. I'm wondering if teams might keep a specialist or two just to have them available in case something were to happen. I can only imagine what would happen if you wake up Sunday morning to a positive test result from your K, P, or LS. I wonder how many teams will play it safe there and keep a guy at one or more of those positions just so they can get reps and stay ready. You can always sign a guy off the street if something were to happen earlier in the week but a Saturday or Sunday positive test could have huge implications.

in comes kaare vedvik back to the ravens as P and K cover

 

[Simba]

in comes kaare vedvik back to the ravens as P and K cover

 

[Adreme]

Sure. A 5th plus whatever contract we have to give him.

I'm more or less talking in the context of that tweet, which implies the Ravens get comparable players at much better discounts. That's not really true, because the players they're getting for 5th round picks aren't as good as the players others are giving up 1st round picks for. No question the Ravens get value in the deals, but that's not really an apples to apples comparison.

I mean I am not sure Jalen Ramsey is better than Marcus Peters. He might be, but he has not played like it in 2 years. Maybe I am being overly harsh, but Jalen Ramsay is going to reset the CB market and I have no clue why, because lately his game has been hype than actual game.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I mean I am not sure Jalen Ramsey is better than Marcus Peters. He might be, but he has not played like it in 2 years. Maybe I am being overly harsh, but Jalen Ramsay is going to reset the CB market and I have no clue why, because lately his game has been hype than actual game.

Think it has a lot to do with the Rams scheme, which I've never been impressed with, and the lack of quality talent in the defensive secondary on that roster.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I am curious to see how teams structure practice squads in light of covid. I'm wondering if teams might keep a specialist or two just to have them available in case something were to happen. I can only imagine what would happen if you wake up Sunday morning to a positive test result from your K, P, or LS. I wonder how many teams will play it safe there and keep a guy at one or more of those positions just so they can get reps and stay ready. You can always sign a guy off the street if something were to happen earlier in the week but a Saturday or Sunday positive test could have huge implications.

Think it depends on position.
1. Most teams have somebody who practices as the backup LS, which in a lot of cases is the Center (or possibly a backup Center), so there's typically already somebody on the roster who could fill in if needed.
2. Kickers and Punters can largely be signed off the street even on a Saturday. They wouldn't really need much time to get acclimated to the team or its playbook, because their job is generally pretty straightforward.

A kicker perhaps could be a stash guy, but I'd suspect that would be rare and would usually involve a weak starter to begin with (I wouldn't expect the Ravens to carry a backup kicker, even on the PS). Punter I certainly don't see.

 

[Simba]

Think it depends on position.
1. Most teams have somebody who practices as the backup LS, which in a lot of cases is the Center (or possibly a backup Center), so there's typically already somebody on the roster who could fill in if needed.
2. Kickers and Punters can largely be signed off the street even on a Saturday. They wouldn't really need much time to get acclimated to the team or its playbook, because their job is generally pretty straightforward.

A kicker perhaps could be a stash guy, but I'd suspect that would be rare and would usually involve a weak starter to begin with (I wouldn't expect the Ravens to carry a backup kicker, even on the PS). Punter I certainly don't see.

Not with the current "no tryout" rule though. They don't want any of these street free agents in a facility or around a team until they've been tested. Let's just say you test your kicker Friday and test results don't come back until Saturday morning, and they come back positive. You'd then have to find a way to get a kicker tested and with the team in about 24 hours as well. That's a tough sell. It's not as much about acclimation as it is logistics in the current environment.