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rmcjacket23

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while you may be right on the eventual outcome - im not sure why the extra 700k on his cap hit makes that more or less likely...
Maybe not. But theoretically, that might mean an extra $3-5M (over the course of several years, granted) on a long term deal.

Or it literally could mean nothing, other than the Ravens just generously meeting in the middle.
 

rmcjacket23

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They are cutting Trufant and Schraeder post June 1
1. Based on what I'm seeing, Schrader's cap savings is already reflected. He's in the dead money pool on Spotrac and OvertheCap.
2. Trufant's cap savings will only be $5M after June 1, so that's not anywhere close to enough to sign Clowney.
The only way they'll create enough space to sign Clowney would be by cutting Alex Mack.
 

Sami84

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judon will be 29 in the 2021 season and I think what you're seeing is what you're getting for the next 2 seasons and then a decline
I'd also like to see how za;darius smith does in the next 2 years. Sure he was awesome last year but let's see if it wasnt just a one-off. in 2017 we didn't even want him on the roster..
 

cdp

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judon will be 29 in the 2021 season and I think what you're seeing is what you're getting for the next 2 seasons and then a decline
I'd also like to see how za;darius smith does in the next 2 years. Sure he was awesome last year but let's see if it wasnt just a one-off. in 2017 we didn't even want him on the roster..
Age is a good point. We might tag him again next offseason if the cap allows. I see we have 55M cap space next season, even though nobody really knows what the salary cap is going to look like. In an ideal world I would re-sign Stanley, let Humphrey walk and sign White. Judon at this point I'm not sure...What we can do is offer him a 2 year contract.
 

Sami84

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Age is a good point. We might tag him again next offseason if the cap allows. I see we have 55M cap space next season, even though nobody really knows what the salary cap is going to look like. In an ideal world I would re-sign Stanley, let Humphrey walk and sign White. Judon at this point I'm not sure...What we can do is offer him a 2 year contract.

Tre'Davious White? Yeah i rate him higher than humphrey but wouldnt he cost more?
 
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rossihunter2

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Age is a good point. We might tag him again next offseason if the cap allows. I see we have 55M cap space next season, even though nobody really knows what the salary cap is going to look like. In an ideal world I would re-sign Stanley, let Humphrey walk and sign White. Judon at this point I'm not sure...What we can do is offer him a 2 year contract.

what an odd idea - no way the bills let their all-pro corner leave lol

and we thought we were going to have loads of cap space this year but we've got a load of contracts to do before the 2021 league year begins
 

cdp

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what an odd idea - no way the bills let their all-pro corner leave lol

and we thought we were going to have loads of cap space this year but we've got a load of contracts to do before the 2021 league year begins
He might choose to test the open market thats why I wrote in an ideal world. I don't see a lot of guys we have to re-sign: Wolfe, Stanley and maybe Judon & Skura. The rest of the guys to fill the roster maybe 10m.
 

JoeyFlex5

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He might choose to test the open market thats why I wrote in an ideal world. I don't see a lot of guys we have to re-sign: Wolfe, Stanley and maybe Judon & Skura. The rest of the guys to fill the roster maybe 10m.
If TD White tests the open market, you can forget about making any runs at him because he’s already priced himself out of our range
 

rossihunter2

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He might choose to test the open market thats why I wrote in an ideal world. I don't see a lot of guys we have to re-sign: Wolfe, Stanley and maybe Judon & Skura. The rest of the guys to fill the roster maybe 10m.

if either broderick washington or justin madubuike show up in year 1 i dont see us re-signing wolfe either...

skura will be entirely dependent on how that knee recovers and he may well be the next ravens OL to go and get overpaid somewhere else

judon's the wildcard

but i think stanley and marlon are getting paid (maybe marlon has to wait an extra year when earl thomas becomes cuttable and saves us 12m - if we want to get rid of him)

i dont see anyway that marlon isnt kept here though
 

Ellicottraven

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if either broderick washington or justin madubuike show up in year 1 i dont see us re-signing wolfe either...

skura will be entirely dependent on how that knee recovers and he may well be the next ravens OL to go and get overpaid somewhere else

judon's the wildcard

but i think stanley and marlon are getting paid (maybe marlon has to wait an extra year when earl thomas becomes cuttable and saves us 12m - if we want to get rid of him)

i dont see anyway that marlon isnt kept here though
With all these crazy numbers being bandied about, I don't feel confident of keeping anybody except Lamar Jackson if I have to be honest with you.
 

Davesta

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Looks like NFL is going to reduce the camp roster from 90 to 80 before the start. Sucks for the UDRFAs.

Some UDRFA names I hope they keep around for camp are:

-Tyler Huntley (I honestly think we should cut both Huntley and McSorley. Keep just 2 QBs, and whoever doesn't get signed off waivers, we invite back into our PS)
-Jacob Breeland & Eli Wolf (These 2 are our best bet to keep the undrafted rookie streak alive)
-John Daka & Chauncey Rivers (we didn't draft any OLBs)
-John Nurse (6'3 corner sounds like a fun project)
-Nigel Warrior (some say he's a better prospect than Geno Stone)
-Bronson Rechsteiner (only because of that dang highlight video and me being a WWF fan)
 

rossihunter2

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Looks like NFL is going to reduce the camp roster from 90 to 80 before the start. Sucks for the UDRFAs.

Some UDRFA names I hope they keep around for camp are:

-Tyler Huntley (I honestly think we should cut both Huntley and McSorley. Keep just 2 QBs, and whoever doesn't get signed off waivers, we invite back into our PS)
-Jacob Breeland & Eli Wolf (These 2 are our best bet to keep the undrafted rookie streak alive)
-John Daka & Chauncey Rivers (we didn't draft any OLBs)
-John Nurse (6'3 corner sounds like a fun project)
-Nigel Warrior (some say he's a better prospect than Geno Stone)
-Bronson Rechsteiner (only because of that dang highlight video and me being a WWF fan)


our udfa class was about 20 strong so losing 10 still allows us to keep the ones who actually have a chance

tbh i think all the ones you've mentioned are gonna be in camp - only one i wouldnt be sure on sticking around is nurse... although we're not overly deep at DB in terms of camp bodies but we probably dont need them in the same way we might have before

Huntley, Breeland, Wolf, Rivers, Warrior, Rechsteiner are locks i think - daka i think is basically a lock as is Kristian Welch which is 8 straight away - they could well keep nurse just for the DB depth and at that point we're running out of roster spots
 

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our udfa class was about 20 strong so losing 10 still allows us to keep the ones who actually have a chance

tbh i think all the ones you've mentioned are gonna be in camp - only one i wouldnt be sure on sticking around is nurse... although we're not overly deep at DB in terms of camp bodies but we probably dont need them in the same way we might have before

Huntley, Breeland, Wolf, Rivers, Warrior, Rechsteiner are locks i think - daka i think is basically a lock as is Kristian Welch which is 8 straight away - they could well keep nurse just for the DB depth and at that point we're running out of roster spots

Doesn't necessarily have to be 2020 UDFAs, either. Got some futures guys like Will Holden, Terrell Bonds, Michael Onuoha hanging around and they might opt to get a better look at a rookie instead.

Could even see a vet like De'Anthony Thomas to be respectful and give him a shot to latch on elsewhere.

But yeah, this will spell the end of some journeys before they even start. A couple of the OL are likely in trouble since most stack up there for preseason. The one DL is probably in trouble. Back end of the CBs and WRs too. Maybe the specialists since camp probably won't be as hard on the Wolfpack as it typically would be.
 

rossihunter2

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Doesn't necessarily have to be 2020 UDFAs, either. Got some futures guys like Will Holden, Terrell Bonds, Michael Onuoha hanging around and they might opt to get a better look at a rookie instead.

Could even see a vet like De'Anthony Thomas to be respectful and give him a shot to latch on elsewhere.

But yeah, this will spell the end of some journeys before they even start. A couple of the OL are likely in trouble since most stack up there for preseason. The one DL is probably in trouble. Back end of the CBs and WRs too. Maybe the specialists since camp probably won't be as hard on the Wolfpack as it typically would be.

i expect terrell bonds to stick around just because he's not a complete disaster unlike some camp bodies at that position - he's the kind of guy who is trusted to play at the end of the preseason games and not just feature for a couple of drives in preseason week 4 - the guys who will miss out are the guys who dont even get snaps in preseason games except for the end of preseason 4...
 

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i expect terrell bonds to stick around just because he's not a complete disaster unlike some camp bodies at that position - he's the kind of guy who is trusted to play at the end of the preseason games and not just feature for a couple of drives in preseason week 4 - the guys who will miss out are the guys who dont even get snaps in preseason games except for the end of preseason 4...

Absolutely. Just throwing out some names. Regardless of who it is, just need to realize it's not going to matter. They know who has a shot and who doesn't at this point. Always 10-15 true camp body types who are there solely to take practice reps and they get the last drive of a preseason game just to say they played in the NFL.

I do think the OL will be hurt the worst by this. That's the one position teams stack up on just to get through preseason so the actual good ones don't get hurt. Could see them dropping 3-4 from there alone.
 

rmcjacket23

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One thing I don't think that's getting enough attention is the stalemate the NFL and NFLPA are in over current and future year salary caps. NFL proposed to reduce the current year salary cap by upwards of $40M PER TEAM, to account for the expectation of practically no in-stadium revenue in the current season.

While I don't think the NFLPA will ever sign off on it, and they're proposing to stretch this out over many years, it's becoming increasingly likely that the current $198.2M cap for 2020 isn't going to hold. Even with an agreement to stretch out the "losses" over upwards of 5-10 years, I would still expect each team to potentially lose $5-10M in cap space this season before we get started.

With the Ravens only at $5.6M in space (under rule of 51) and knowing teams are facing expanded rosters and expanded practice squads, teams are going to be stretched pretty thin as it is.

If the Ravens actually did need to free up like $5M or so before the season started, there's not a lot of places to go find that money. I guess they would likely just push for contract restructures (likely target Peters or Thomas for those), but the only players I see that could be cut for significant savings is like Brandon Williams and maybe RGIII.
 
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One thing I don't think that's getting enough attention is the stalemate the NFL and NFLPA are in over current and future year salary caps. NFL proposed to reduce the current year salary cap by upwards of $40M PER TEAM, to account for the expectation of practically no in-stadium revenue in the current season.

While I don't think the NFLPA will ever sign off on it, and they're proposing to stretch this out over many years, it's becoming increasingly likely that the current $198.2M cap for 2020 isn't going to hold. Even with an agreement to stretch out the "losses" over upwards of 5-10 years, I would still expect each team to potentially lose $5-10M in cap space this season before we get started.

With the Ravens only at $5.6M in space (under rule of 51) and knowing teams are facing expanded rosters and expanded practice squads, teams are going to be stretched pretty thin as it is.

If the Ravens actually did need to free up like $5M or so before the season started, there's not a lot of places to go find that money. I guess they would likely just push for contract restructures (likely target Peters or Thomas for those), but the only players I see that could be cut for significant savings is like Brandon Williams and maybe RGIII.

Definitely interesting and like you said, can't imagine the NFLPA would sign off on that. So many guys, and likely some big names at that, would be on the streets at this point and I see no way they'll let that happen. I understand that money is down but can't tell teams a month before the season and after they've spent all of the money that they now have to find ways to get rid of it.

More greed from the owners. So worried about 1 year of losses like they haven't made hundreds of millions in previous years. So concerned with not spreading it out because it has no benefit for them. Obviously you can't be certain 2021 will be fine and fans will be in stadiums again, but I see no way that the NFLPA allows this for 2020.
 

rmcjacket23

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Definitely interesting and like you said, can't imagine the NFLPA would sign off on that. So many guys, and likely some big names at that, would be on the streets at this point and I see no way they'll let that happen. I understand that money is down but can't tell teams a month before the season and after they've spent all of the money that they now have to find ways to get rid of it.

More greed from the owners. So worried about 1 year of losses like they haven't made hundreds of millions in previous years. So concerned with not spreading it out because it has no benefit for them. Obviously you can't be certain 2021 will be fine and fans will be in stadiums again, but I see no way that the NFLPA allows this for 2020.
The interesting part is that I'm not so certain it would require the NFLPA to ratify. I don't know the specifics of the CBA.

My understanding is that the current year salary cap is largely based on prior year revenues. There's no way the NFL can even get a vague clue of what 2020 NFL revenue is before the season happens, because they won't know what in-stadium sales are.

So the reality is... if the NFLPA doesn't agree to some sort of concession for 2020, the NFL is likely just going to make them play out 2021 with whatever the revenue is, which will probably be at least a 20-30% drop. So teams could reasonably expect the 2021 salary cap to decrease by upwards of $40-50M from this year.

I can see both sides of the equation, and honestly, I side slightly with the owners. Its sort of unreasonable to think that just because they're "more rich" that they should absorb all the losses at one time, while the players should only share in them over an extended period of time. If there was an unexpected spike in revenue, would the players be OK if the NFL spread that out over a longer period of time, instead of raising the salary cap the next year to reflect it? I seriously doubt it.

I've also stated this on other topics... I think the general public is extremely naive about the actual profitability of NFL, or even other Pro Sports franchises. NFL teams are rarely making $100M in profit in any given year. We already know 50% of their money is going to the players, and when you factor in stadium renovation and the hundreds or even thousands of employees they have to pay to make the show go, there's not nearly as much money left on the table as people think. Its not like these Owners are pocketing $500M every year.

The value in NFL franchises is literally in the valuation. Its in the ability to obtain assets, like stadiums, without having to pay for the entire thing. I pointed people to the ebbs and flows of the Packers, who provide their financials publicly.

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/for-packers-a-huge-profit-and-uncharted-waters

One year they made $70M, the year before they made less than $1M.
 
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One thing I don't think that's getting enough attention is the stalemate the NFL and NFLPA are in over current and future year salary caps. NFL proposed to reduce the current year salary cap by upwards of $40M PER TEAM, to account for the expectation of practically no in-stadium revenue in the current season.

While I don't think the NFLPA will ever sign off on it, and they're proposing to stretch this out over many years, it's becoming increasingly likely that the current $198.2M cap for 2020 isn't going to hold. Even with an agreement to stretch out the "losses" over upwards of 5-10 years, I would still expect each team to potentially lose $5-10M in cap space this season before we get started.

With the Ravens only at $5.6M in space (under rule of 51) and knowing teams are facing expanded rosters and expanded practice squads, teams are going to be stretched pretty thin as it is.

If the Ravens actually did need to free up like $5M or so before the season started, there's not a lot of places to go find that money. I guess they would likely just push for contract restructures (likely target Peters or Thomas for those), but the only players I see that could be cut for significant savings is like Brandon Williams and maybe RGIII.

there are teams in worse positions than the ravens in terms of cap if it reduces

given the league set the cap for the year it's hard to see a justification for the cap going down given that it's already been spent - the nfl knew they could be facing this situation when the cap initially came down before free agency - if they were worried they would have not ploughed ahead in the way they did

if there were to be a reduction you might see a hell of a stink put out by the NFLPA about it - players are already talking about not playing due to covid this year - maybe you see a players strike in a CBA year even with the CBA having been settled lol
 

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I can see both sides of the equation, and honestly, I side slightly with the owners. Its sort of unreasonable to think that just because they're "more rich" that they should absorb all the losses at one time, while the players should only share in them over an extended period of time. If there was an unexpected spike in revenue, would the players be OK if the NFL spread that out over a longer period of time, instead of raising the salary cap the next year to reflect it? I seriously doubt it.

um why's that unreasonable - they're literal billionaires... and it's not beholden on those with no sharehold to make concessions for those owners - the fact that the NFL has been incredibly profitable for them doesnt preclude them from making losses - they're not philosophically owed profits every year
 
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